• Star Wars Disney Plus shows should move away from Jedi-centric stories and explore other aspects of the Star Wars universe
  • Andor is a successful example of a Star Wars show without Jedi, focusing on the Empire’s control and morally gray characters
  • Suggestions for new Star Wars show ideas include Pod Racing, Jawa Storage Wars, and One Man and His Droid, among others
  • slurpyslop
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    for that story

    that story got told, over 40 years ago, by the first three star wars films

    trying to continue to tell the same story over and over—trying to continue feeding the same meat into the same grinder—is what gave us episodes 7-9, and to a lesser extent 1-3

    but there’s still plenty of life in the world building and universe those films created

    But to focus on that exclusively, no.

    have you watched andor?

    • Zorque
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      I don’t disagree that there should be more non-jedi focused stories… but I do have a problem with this:

      that story got told, over 40 years ago, by the first three star wars films

      A story was told. That doesn’t mean every story that could involve jedi has been told. Just the same one rehashed multiple times. Different stories, focusing on different aspects of that same mythos without retreading the same ground (again), can still be told. It just requires more risk, which is why it hasn’t been tried as much.

      It doesn’t help that, because of forty years of history, people are attached to these characters and stories. They want to explore more of that. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing… unfortunately there is a lack of focused direction that has made it difficult to continue it with any kind of stable quality.

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        5 months ago

        It just requires more risk, which is why it hasn’t been tried as much.

        “tell more stories about the jedi without retreading the same ground” is the same request as “tell more stories about the star wars universe without retreading the same ground” just with less risk, and in turn with less potential for truly interesting and unique ideas

        • Cosmic Cleric
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          What you’re asking for is not Star Wars, but Traveller.

          Which could be great, honestly, but it wouldn’t be Star Wars.

          I bet it would save Disney a lot in licensing fees to Lucas though, not having to use his characters and pay for them.

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          • slurpyslop
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            15 months ago

            Rogue One at times feels more like Star Wars than the original trilogy, and doesn’t have a single Jedi in it.

            Your measurement for what counts as “Star Wars” seems pretty arbitrary. 4 would be essentially the same movie even without the presence of any Jedi.

            • Cosmic Cleric
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              Rogue One at times feels more like Star Wars than the original trilogy, and doesn’t have a single Jedi in it.

              I guess I’ve just seen more movies than you, because it didn’t feel like a Star Wars story, it seemed like a spy movie trying to escape with plans to a weapon. 🤷‍♂️

              Your measurement for what counts as “Star Wars” seems pretty arbitrary.

              I’m pretty sure that the most iconic type of thing in the storytelling for Star Wars, the most recognize and beloved, would be Force wielders.

              That the Force, and how it manifests itself in the storytelling, is what makes Star Wars, Star Wars.

              And that most would agree with my opinion on the matter. It’s been in the news and stories and magazines etc etc etc long enough prove that point.

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              • slurpyslop
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                I guess I’ve just seen more movies than you

                I guess you just don’t really understand Star Wars as well as you think you do 🤷‍♂️

                it’s an aesthetic and a setting

                if you define it as a narrative you can’t step outside the first three films

                • Cosmic Cleric
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                  05 months ago

                  I guess you just don’t really understand Star Wars as well as you think you do 🤷‍♂️

                  You really don’t have to keep attacking me you know? We could just discuss the points instead.

                  it’s an aesthetic and a setting

                  So is Traveller TTRPG, or Babylon Five, Warhammer 40K, etc., etc.

                  But none of them are Star Wars.

                  if you define it as a narrative you can’t step outside the first three films

                  I’m not, you keep assuming I am, but I’m not.

                  I’m talking the unique points of the world building/lore. You can have different narratives in story telling for the same world (or in this case, galaxies).

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                  • slurpyslop
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                    05 months ago

                    You really don’t have to keep attacking me you know?

                    buddy i literally just took what you said and changed a few words around. if it feels like attacking you then maybe do some self reflection?

                    where have i attacked you?

                    So is Traveller TTRPG, or Babylon Five, Warhammer 40K, etc., etc.

                    put literally anything from 40k next to literally anything from star wars and it becomes painfully obvious that they’re two distinct properties

                    you’re aware 40k essentially also has the force too, right? i’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here

                    I’m talking the unique points of the world building/lore.

                    what unique points?

                    jedi are reskinned samurai, and the force is just a reskinned magic system combined with reskinned buddhism

    • Cosmic Cleric
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      15 months ago

      but there’s still plenty of life in the world building and universe those films created

      The flip side of that though is just you end up with detective shows and spy shows and soap operas, in space, with a splash of sci-fi paint thrown over them. Been there, done that.

      Jedi and Sith are a unique storytelling point, and there hasn’t been enough about their conflict with each other, and by that I mean whole organization versus whole organization wise, and them manipulating the larger politics of the various systems and so forth to their cause, etc. Not just the singular Darth Vader versus Luke Skywalker fight kind of conflict.

      The Sith as a large organization hasn’t been seen in movies or tv, only in games.

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      • slurpyslop
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        15 months ago

        The flip side of that though is just you end up with detective shows and spy shows and soap operas, in space, with a splash of sci-fi paint thrown over them.

        jedi are literally samurai with a splash of sci-fi paint

        Jedi and Sith are a unique storytelling point, and there hasn’t been enough about their conflict with each other, and by that I mean whole organization versus whole organization wise, and them manipulating the larger politics of the various systems and so forth to their cause, etc.

        you’re describing the overarching plot of the prequels

        The Sith as a large organization hasn’t been seen in movies or tv, only in games.

        the rule of two kind of makes that impossible

          • slurpyslop
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            15 months ago

            if where you draw the line on what counts as integral to a narrative is that arbitrary, why not just toss jedi too?

            • @Buddahriffic
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              Why not just watch one of the many other options without Jedi?

              The rule of two is hardly integral, anyways. There were 3 for most of the prequel trilogy time frame and Vader took on several apprentices between ep 3 and 4. It was 2 as far as I know during the OT but then the sequels brought it back to 3.

              And Sideous adopted the rule of one (where he can train whoever he wants but not with the intent of replacing him because he planned on living forever using force ghost and clones so he’d always have a body) from the end of ep 1 onwards.

              I just speak for myself, but star wars without force users just isn’t that interesting to me.

              • slurpyslop
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                15 months ago

                then why not watch one of the many other options with jedi?

            • Cosmic Cleric
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              15 months ago

              if where you draw the line on what counts as integral to a narrative is that arbitrary, why not just toss jedi too?

              Just because you declare it as arbitrary doesn’t mean it’s actually arbitrary.

              If you ask most people on the street what is the most iconic thing about Star Wars, they would either tell you Force wielders, or Jedi/Sith.

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              • slurpyslop
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                05 months ago

                Just because you declare it as arbitrary doesn’t mean it’s actually arbitrary.

                either you’re defining star wars by the films, or you’re picking and choosing what really “counts”

                you’re doing the latter

                • Cosmic Cleric
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                  15 months ago

                  Just because you declare it as arbitrary doesn’t mean it’s actually arbitrary.

                  either you’re defining star wars by the films, or you’re picking and choosing what really “counts”

                  you’re doing the latter

                  No, I’ve watched pretty much everything at this point, and have read the EU books to boot (really enjoy some of them).

                  And I remember the decades of TV news/videos and publication stories/articles about what makes Star Wars, Star Wars.

                  I’d feel confident if you put it up to a vote, that the Force and/or Jedi/Sith is the primary response to the question “What is Star Wars to you?”. Everything else is just copying other stuff and slapping a sci-fi paint on it. Traveller TTRPG like.

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                  • slurpyslop
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                    05 months ago

                    the eu is filled with stories that aren’t about jedi or the force

                    so yeah, you’re picking and choosing what counts based on your personal vibes