Forget the Force and lightsabers – give me more Andor, Imperial security intrigue, and political/spy machinations.
  • Star Wars Disney Plus shows should move away from Jedi-centric stories and explore other aspects of the Star Wars universe
  • Andor is a successful example of a Star Wars show without Jedi, focusing on the Empire’s control and morally gray characters
  • Suggestions for new Star Wars show ideas include Pod Racing, Jawa Storage Wars, and One Man and His Droid, among others
  • Cosmic ClericEnglish
    1•7 months ago

    but there’s still plenty of life in the world building and universe those films created

    The flip side of that though is just you end up with detective shows and spy shows and soap operas, in space, with a splash of sci-fi paint thrown over them. Been there, done that.

    Jedi and Sith are a unique storytelling point, and there hasn’t been enough about their conflict with each other, and by that I mean whole organization versus whole organization wise, and them manipulating the larger politics of the various systems and so forth to their cause, etc. Not just the singular Darth Vader versus Luke Skywalker fight kind of conflict.

    The Sith as a large organization hasn’t been seen in movies or tv, only in games.

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    • slurpyslop
      1•7 months ago

      The flip side of that though is just you end up with detective shows and spy shows and soap operas, in space, with a splash of sci-fi paint thrown over them.

      jedi are literally samurai with a splash of sci-fi paint

      Jedi and Sith are a unique storytelling point, and there hasn’t been enough about their conflict with each other, and by that I mean whole organization versus whole organization wise, and them manipulating the larger politics of the various systems and so forth to their cause, etc.

      you’re describing the overarching plot of the prequels

      The Sith as a large organization hasn’t been seen in movies or tv, only in games.

      the rule of two kind of makes that impossible

        • slurpyslop
          1•7 months ago

          if where you draw the line on what counts as integral to a narrative is that arbitrary, why not just toss jedi too?

          • @Buddahriffic
            1•7 months ago

            Why not just watch one of the many other options without Jedi?

            The rule of two is hardly integral, anyways. There were 3 for most of the prequel trilogy time frame and Vader took on several apprentices between ep 3 and 4. It was 2 as far as I know during the OT but then the sequels brought it back to 3.

            And Sideous adopted the rule of one (where he can train whoever he wants but not with the intent of replacing him because he planned on living forever using force ghost and clones so he’d always have a body) from the end of ep 1 onwards.

            I just speak for myself, but star wars without force users just isn’t that interesting to me.

            • slurpyslop
              1•7 months ago

              then why not watch one of the many other options with jedi?

          • Cosmic ClericEnglish
            1•7 months ago

            if where you draw the line on what counts as integral to a narrative is that arbitrary, why not just toss jedi too?

            Just because you declare it as arbitrary doesn’t mean it’s actually arbitrary.

            If you ask most people on the street what is the most iconic thing about Star Wars, they would either tell you Force wielders, or Jedi/Sith.

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            • slurpyslop
              0•7 months ago

              Just because you declare it as arbitrary doesn’t mean it’s actually arbitrary.

              either you’re defining star wars by the films, or you’re picking and choosing what really “counts”

              you’re doing the latter

              • Cosmic ClericEnglish
                1•7 months ago

                Just because you declare it as arbitrary doesn’t mean it’s actually arbitrary.

                either you’re defining star wars by the films, or you’re picking and choosing what really “counts”

                you’re doing the latter

                No, I’ve watched pretty much everything at this point, and have read the EU books to boot (really enjoy some of them).

                And I remember the decades of TV news/videos and publication stories/articles about what makes Star Wars, Star Wars.

                I’d feel confident if you put it up to a vote, that the Force and/or Jedi/Sith is the primary response to the question “What is Star Wars to you?”. Everything else is just copying other stuff and slapping a sci-fi paint on it. Traveller TTRPG like.

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                • slurpyslop
                  0•7 months ago

                  the eu is filled with stories that aren’t about jedi or the force

                  so yeah, you’re picking and choosing what counts based on your personal vibes