The mayor of Elyria has ordered a probe after the woman who lives at the home accused police of raiding the wrong house, an incident that she said left her baby with severe burns.
The mayor of Elyria, Ohio, has ordered an investigation after a woman alleged that police officers who raided her home had the wrong address and deployed flash-bang devices that sent her 1-year-old to the hospital with burns.
Police have offered a conflicting account of what happened Jan. 10, saying in a statement Friday that they had executed a search warrant at the correct address and the child did not “sustain any apparent, visible injuries.”
Courtney Price says audio from her Ring camera proves them wrong. In a clip shared exclusively with NBC News on Tuesday, someone can be heard saying “it’s the wrong house.” It is not clear who made the remark because the camera fell to the ground and went dark after police deployed the flash-bang devices.
Police have offered a conflicting account of what happened Jan. 10, saying in a statement Friday that they had executed a search warrant at the correct address and the child did not “sustain any apparent, visible injuries.”
Never ever, ever, believe a police statement of any kind. Police reps are gangsters and liars.
Honestly at this point I feel like if I was on a jury for some court case and some of the evidence was the testimony of a police officer, that’d probably make me less confident of whatever they had said than if they had said nothing at all. When a profession has every incentive to lie, little consequence to doing so, and in some cases consequences for revealing the lies of one’s coworkers, there is precious little room for credibility.
Every public school should have a class where you get to read the police report about George Floyd’s death, and then you see the video.
Based on historic police statements, the fact it conflicts at all should let you know it’s full of lies. Usually they get their story straight AND still lie, the fact that they can’t even do that is damning imo.
Cops showing up at the wrong house and throwing a flash bang at a baby is entirely on brand and raises no new questions.
I wonder if we are going to find out about “baby had limited value” jokes.
July 2022
https://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/
2014
I clicked the last story and it made truly me sick to my stomach. I had to skip through the details halfway. I’m angry and sad, and I am once again confirmed in my belief that I will never, ever want to live in the US. There are so many of these stories, and for so long now, and yet nothing has changed. The country is morally bankrupt.
There are definitely some Americans that would rather live in a first world country but it’s not as easy as just pickup and leave.
Right, “Bou Bou”? Those people are monsters.
For anyone wondering about the 2014 case, the family sued for civil rights violations. It ended up getting settled for $3.614 million.
The agent that made the search warrant falsified it and was indicted by a grand jury, but acquitted by a criminal one
The search warrant was for the Parmely Avenue residence, but it was issued for a person who hasn’t lived there in more than a year, Price said, sharing the search warrant left by police at the home.
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Price said she learned police had visited the home at least five times within the past year. “The landlord even told [police] she had new tenants,” she said.
This is after the article mentions that they only waited six seconds between knocking on the door and busting in.
If your police department shows this degree of incompetence executing a raid, it should have all its toys taken away. No more flashbangs, no more SWAT gear, no fancy guns. You get the wrong address, you hurt an innocent person, you fail to identify yourselves, you lose privileges. Hell, I seriously question whether they need most of that shit in the first place.
I legitimately believe that a disturbingly high number of these raids that go wrong happen because the cops want to play with with their shiny new equipment.
that is not incompetence.
that is malice.
i’m tired of reading cop apologists tell me about incompetence.
Fuck your incompetence. They are murderous thugs. They are quite competent at it.
¿Porque no los dos?
These aren’t mutually exclusive categories. For my part, I’m not prepared to attribute competent malice to everything the police do.
100% this. Agents of the state want to feel like agents of the state. They get excited at the opportunity.
We need police reform.
Six seconds?! Holy fuck, it takes me about a minute and a half just to get the dogs corralled. Thank god I keep yelling, “just a minute!” Hopefully if this ever happens to me, the cops will hear me yelling.
They will ignore you and kick your door down if it’s a raid, knock or otherwise. Excellent chance they shoot your dog too because apparently the cops just love murdering family pets.
They won’t. And they will shoot your dogs.
From everything I’ve seen, they’ll hear it, take it as an excuse to claim you weren’t complying, bust down your door based on that and shoot your understandably agitated dogs.
Good luck.
these raids are approved by judges. want to guess how many raids are denied by judges?
why arent they also being held accountable?
cops are paid liars. they are legally allowed to, and encouraged to lie. they work closely with district attorneys, who would be the ones to prosecute them if they lie. that is why you can never trust a police officer.
sorry guys, it is the nature of your shitty job.
A cop would pretty much never be prosecuted for lying, it’s perfectly legal in the US for them to lie their asses off to witnesses and suspects alike. Part of the reason we have a such a problem with innocent people being imprisoned over false confessions.
Yeah, because nobody notable has realized American cops as organizations were founded to be slaver patrols and if you were white and tried to protect their targets they would KILL you. I’m not saying my own country is perfect, but when the corruption rate among American police is claimed to be 98% and the corruption rate of the RCMP (yes, the Mounties) is claimed to be 0.02%? I’m literally waiting to defend myself in court and I will at least say the cops involved were fair. You know who originally the RCMP was founded by? They’re an offshoot of the UK’s royal bodyguards, the beefeaters, and as silly as that might sound, somehow it works.
Canada has a relatively shitty mental health system but seriously, at least there’s a way to sue, convict or discredit corrupt doctors. Cops can’t be allowed to be corrupt, this is only going to be solvable if there’s a unified and violent citizen’s revolt. Go out there and pretend to be peaceful, then murder all the cops with extreme prejudice and without waiting for direct provocation when they show up and anyone who survives continues to kill police on sight until the fucking US Government gets it through their fucking heads that when the “police” are a criminal syndicate and former slaver you get fucking anarchy, a “system” of “government” that I am under no delusion is capable of producing anything of value. The government doesn’t want anarchy? Stop fucking oppressing people and the people won’t need to threaten you to get you to be a tolerable person. Being legal and rational means nothing if the system is rigged against justice.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got to try and get a judge to begin an investigation into an entire psychiatric ward as well as an unrelated ex-psychiatrist, because thanks to years of malpractice my life is irrecoverably ruined and I fucking hate everyone.
The RCMP has its own history of suppressing and murdering indigenous people. Colonialism, apartheid and genocide are some of the main reasons the RCMP exist.
That said, I agree that the RCMP are much better on virtually every measurable metric, as is policing in Canada in general.
Oh, for sure. I am still f-ing pissed about McGill covering up that they experimented on kids. I was personally screwed out of a proper childhood because of RCMP and Social Services corruption, and I’m about as white-looking as any half-Colombian, half-Ukrainian can get including accent and mannerisms, I have no doubt that what those poor women said McGill did to their children was really what happened, that the full details were unimaginably horrifying, and I honestly feel like the University should be forced to shut down for doing such a thing at the full expense of those who were profiting from the University as running their business or investing in a business.
I think I know why I never liked Westerns. Even at 5 years old, discriminating against natives never sat right with me. Sometimes I feel like I have no country, even though my family isn’t currently being oppressed and even my grandfather lived his whole life here, because so many things happen here in Canada that go against everything I was told this country is supposed to be that I never really became a “Canadian”. I value the ideal, but I refuse to be blinded and I cannot deny that Canada has failed to uphold its own values so much that if not for the UK having been in control until the 60s I would have already written us off as not even trying.
On that note, I get that racial issues are not as clear as they seem in the US. White plantation owners and most of their descendants have acted like greedy assholes but " white" = / = white and even white = / = racist, and while I get life as a black American sucks, stealing from even other black neighbours is not okay (though it should be noted that intraracial crime - against those who are categorized with you for whatever trait or excuse outsiders invent - is universally more common than interracial crime) by the victim’s standards or by the standards of any fair-judging outsider.
The point being, I don’t think much of America is salvageable, but you have to realize you’re doing far better from being exposed to the need to discuss it than many Europeans feel they are towards Muslims and Roma (“gypsies”, though it would be more understanding to remember that they exist because Rome didn’t collapse in a day and not owning land is extremely financially debilitating in Europe) considering that despite what those plantation owners claim, slavery in some form has been legal since 1776 and has only been restricted and not banned for, well…
When slavery was “banned” after the American civil war, it was indeed banned and reparations to be given to former slaves… For two days or something upon which Lincoln was assassinated and his vice president reversed it all (presumably while meraphorically twirling his moustache, since true bigots who are sure they’ve done no wrong all seem to think like a spiteful Disney villain) like the scumbag the VP apparently was. Slavery proper was not banned until 1942 (as a wartime PR move) and everything from sundown laws to private prisons has kept a form of forced labor, especially forced on disadvantaged persons, in use in America. But that being said…
Canada has “only” been attempting to move away from the UK for 80-ish years and I still think we can get over spitefulness instead of getting stuck in intergenerational feuds. America hasn’t even reached that point yet, as far as I’m concerned the US is well-prepared for the day private prisons are outlawed.
I’m angry because I think we can succeed if not for people that only ever seem satisfied when they can toy with the fate of an individual like capitalism is literally how it was portrayed in Mun Mun (terrible book, IMO but in some sense I feel like “littlepoor” has always described me) and the kind of condescending pretentious “visionaries” of the Solarpunk genre…newsflash, vegan organic homegrown space Amish, you’re ableist if you think anyone with Aspergers/Autism/whatever my condition should be called is going to consider your “unplugged” world desirable, especially without my pharmaceutical psychiatric medications which would leave me not just angry and bitter but foaming at the mouth with enough rage to go around burning down every civilization that tries to rebuild after the loss of the internet and video games)… and people keep trying to prevent that from happening by encouraging discrimination by everyone against everyone else. Everyone else that cares this much about the way the world works tends to be not just insane (I’m saying this as someone who is already mentally unstable) but arrogantly so.
I just want to see the world get better, and I feel like everyone else that cares about how humans progress only cares how that will benefit them personally. Of course I have personal values and selfish reasons, but this isn’t a high school and I have to know better than to propose anything that is global or national in scope unless it also benefits as many people as possible and screws not one person over because the means always must justify the ends, not the other way around. I’ve tried sites like Change.org but the fact is that when it comes to fixing the world I refuse to work with someone who clearly exclusively cares about their own interests. Homeowner’s ASSociations and narcissists don’t get to have a say over the individual right to do something that is actually beneficial in my hypothetical near-utopia, and that spinelessness has been enraging me by screwing me over and over for the past 7 years. I get screwed, I ask someone to help, and in most cases they can’t but even when they can they won’t because they’d lose something.
I have a game console, a OneXPlayer. Custom preorder with the exclusive nametag. It’s my prized possession.
I’d give it up as fast as I could if my option was to save it from a fire or save a child from a fire. All I ask is that when heroism is within easy reach, that people grab onto it for dear life. It might not be only their own dear life that they save by doing so, and if someone can’t live with that knowledge, then pretending you/I/they don’t remember a child’s haunting cries of pain means they’re a coward. If you have kids and can’t afford to lose them, I get it, but this is a Millennial talking. I don’t have kids and neither do “they” in many cases, but from what I’ve seen people honestly seem to believe that kids dying is “normal”.
Tell a 10 year old that kids dying is just how things are, and watch how fast they decide on some level that adulthood is no different from any other inner party. Unfortunately, none of the world’s many other activists had to live with a foster mother because of illegal conduct by the Ministry of Children and Families. Yeah, sure, Ministers of " Truth" and “Plenty” and “Love”, you just want to Atlas Shrug off to some private island…
Sorry for the rant. Thanks for having a good faith argument despite my temper, you’re clearly living up to your username!
Another flashbanged baby aside: No knock SWAT raid for a kid who stole stuff seems uh… insane?
This isn’t better but they actual did knock, but then waited less than ten seconds before they used the ram, so they busted the door down as the resident was approaching the door.
In fact I’d agrue it’s worse because they turned a (presumably) knock warrant into a defacto no knock by refusing to wait for a response. These cops clearly wanted to play storm trooper.
Yup. Probably in an area where they knew a judge wouldn’t sign off on a no-knock warrant. So they just knocked once, then rammed the door anyways.
Also I thought the SWAT stopped doing “breach and bang” systematically ? I guess their new doctrine isn’t much better if they still end up throwing grenades at babies, in the wrong house nonetheless
This most certainly will depend on where you are.
Could have been Dave Chapelle’s crack dealing baby retired from the D.C. game…
To be fair, what they thought he stole was weapons, and this headline insinuates that they knew it was the wrong house beforehand, while that doesn’t seem to be the case… Regardless, we shouldn’t be doing SWAT type raids on secondhand info, and I personally don’t think we should do them ever.
This is America. Someone having weapons isn’t an emergency; it’s just a typical day. Cops only treat it as an emergency when they want an excuse to cosplay as commandos.
Raises new questions? No you dumb insincere assholes in the American media, we’ve been asking the same damn question and have had solid answers to why and how to fix this kind of bullshit for over a decade now.
oh and
Police have offered a conflicting account of what happened Jan. 10, saying in a statement Friday that they had executed a search warrant at the correct address and that the child did not “sustain any apparent, visible injuries.”
Otherwise known as cops lied once again and they’ll get a tax payer paid vacation while they investigate themselves and found they did nothing wrong.
Otherwise known as cops lied once again
Despite all the other problems (and believe me, I’m very, very strident in my criticisms of policing in the US), if it didn’t always ALWAYS come down to this, I could possibly begin to understand the “well it’s a really hard job we’re doing our best” defense.
No, cops. You fuck up, and you lie about it. You got away with it for decades to centuries before there were cameras you couldn’t control everywhere. Don’t tell me about your integrity or about how I just don’t understand the job. Talk to me about those things when lies aren’t the go-to for police when shit hits the fan every. single. time.
As a combat veteran it boils my blood that cops here aren’t held to ANY standard domestically while I’ve been in situations under fire where we had to wait for confirmation to fire back.
Call me a commie but I think domestic beat cops shouldn’t be able to shoot at somebody easier than a soldier in a war zone can. 🤷
That’s honestly disgusting. I dunno how they can keep getting away with this.
Who’s going to stop them?
I figured out this game about 15 years ago when I read an article about a police car in NYC running over someone who had the walk sign in a crosswalk. Within an hour, there was a statement that the person was at fault because they did not exercise needed caution–this was well before any sort of investigation could occur. The police simply lie and the media reports it as stated.
IMO police rules of engagement should disallow use of any tactical equipment until they at least run into active opposition. There’s an innocent until proven guilty assumption built into the legal system, the police should also have a passive until proven violent assumption.
The only reason a single mother and baby should ever be flash banged is if they are shooting at the police. With the technology today, they should be aware of who is going to be hit by a flash bang before it’s even thrown.
The only reason a single mother and baby should ever be flash banged is if they are shooting at the police. With the technology today, they should be aware of who is going to be hit by a flash bang before it’s even thrown.
That, and there isn’t ever really a need to do raids in the first place.
there isn’t ever really a need to do raids in the first place
Exactly! There might be a reason to be ready for a raid, for example if there’s a strong suspicion that someone’s heavily armed and might attack. But you don’t start acting offensively until you’re 200% sure that someone poses an immediate and serious threat.
They’ll use the teeniest justification to play soldier. Many of these raids are simply to catch someone on stuff like probation violations or unpaid fines, yet they act like they’re trying to capture an international hitman.
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Eh…raids are necessary sometimes. Just…not 99% of the time these fucks do them and, in the end, they should be done by people who are…you know…educated and competent.
Right. If there’s a criminal, ask them to come out.
I can’t tell if you’re being snide with that comment, but yes. That should absolutely be the first step.
and if they don’t…yeah. raids might be necessary. I really get all the anti cop shit here…because our cops are absolute shit and most of them need to be just be thrown away for life. But this website acts like society would just suddenly behave if the cops went away. No more crime, no need to ever pursue people. No need to ever raid anyone’s home because nobody in history has ever done anything bad enough that they need to be forced to leave their home to face prosecution.
Again…I fucking get it. I hate our police in this shithole country but the answer is not no police ever no raids ever no arrests ever. The answer is massive fucking reform of our entire god damn system starting with EXTREMELY harsh punishment’s for everyone involved in shit like this article.
If someone barricades themselves in their home, why not just wait them out? Cut off power & water, couple days max.
And if they have people in there they are threatening? Ah, well. They kill them its whatever right?
Again, I’m very sorry, but yes…some times society is going to need police. we just need to fix the system because our current usage of the police is completely fucked.
Most police are cowards, and bad at their jobs simultaneously.
disallow use of any tactical equipment until they at least run into active opposition
Sure, but baby steps. How about we start with “disallow lethal force until they at least see or hear a weapon.”
/s but also true
So if it wasn’t the police action that caused the burns, what did? It’s an easy question to answer: it was the police action. The pre-existing conditions had nothing to do with them picking the wrong house and burning a kid.
We barged into the house and the fucking kid just burst into flames aggressively so we shot their dog.
“I set you on fire but you were predisposed to being excellent kindling so who is really at fault here?”
“Raises new questions,” no the fuck they did not. It raised the same question it raises every time; why are these clowns allowed to do this bullshit with 0 accountability?
Yes it should be something like: “Audio of Ohio police raid that left a baby injured contradicts police report”
Is this the same baby that got flash banged a few years ago and the family is still trying to get justice for what happened? Or is this another baby that got flash banged? Either way, it’s fucking disgusting and outrageous!
That big case a few years ago was in GA I think
No, this 1-year-ole is not the same one from 3 years ago.
If the baby got burned by the flashbang imagine what it did to their hearing. I bet it got permanent damage.
“Price said she learned police had visited the home at least five times within the past year. “The landlord even told [police] she had new tenants,” she said.”
They knew and they went for it anyway. Typical.
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I thought this was about that one too.
Much like murdering peoples’ dogs, it happens waaaay more than it should.
Here are a couple more examples:
2014: https://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/
I want to see a new version of CSI in which they depict police doing shit like this that the unsuspecting public are dealing with and not the super heroes it tries to be written as.
It is a tremendous amount more difficult to make a police show without the cooperation of actual police. They only help if you portray them acceptably positive. Like B99 is about as critical as they can get I think.
So make a show without police cooperation.
The Rookie on the other hand is almost an ad for the police.
You don’t even need to know Dick Wolf is a big shot Republican to realize how Law & Order is basically fascist copaganda.
Yeah, I love the show because it’s entertaining and Nathan Fillion is amazing, but it’s 100% blatant copaganda. They don’t even try to hide it.
That show is my guilty pleasure. At least I am not giving them my money, if you know what I mean 🏴☠️🦜
Maybe Law and Order?
“Yeah so this perp got away while we raised the wrong house and we just lost a multi-million dollar lawsuit for flash-banging the neighbours baby. Also another perp just walked because we failed to follow due-process and violated his rights”
To be fair, they do have some episodes like that.
The Hayes Code probably still blocks this, even if it’s not enforced. Part of it was that producers of TV and movies could never portray the police in a negative light.
The Hays Code was never law, just an agreement between studios.
Gosh I looked it up and confirmed. I had actually thought it was law. In any case, that set us back for generations and is surely at least partially responsible for the rampant NIMBYism that is ruining the country–people don’t have the capacity to recognize these things for what they are.
Fun fact - the Hays Code was set up to preempt real government censorship. If Hollywood hadn’t started censoring itself at the time it’s possible that the federal government would have. Some city and state governments were already doing it, and SCOTUS had ruled that movies were not art and that somehow made them not subject to the First Amendment.
The SCOTUS has a history of absolutely mental decisions.
Apparently we now live in a world where toddler abuse is more acceptable than basic reproductive health care…
They don’t care about children after they are born.
