• @Limonene
    link
    English
    15410 months ago

    >not a single balance update since the 8th century

    You’re just begging AnarchyChess to correct you.

    • @nadiaraven
      link
      English
      3410 months ago

      OK, I looked it up on Wikipedia. The bishop and queen were the last to have their moves set changed to the modern form in the 15th or 16th century. But even since then there have been some tweaks, such as the 3 move and 50 move rules for draws, and the orientation of the board. So you could maybe argue no balancing since the 16th century, and only a few bug fixes after that.

        • @PotatoKat
          link
          English
          110 months ago

          More of a hotfix than a balance update imo

        • fkn
          link
          English
          010 months ago

          What’s en passant?

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            410 months ago

            It’s French for “in passing”. It’s a special move for taking a pawn with another pawn, if the first pawn tries using its double space first move to go past an enemy pawn.

            • fkn
              link
              English
              -410 months ago

              Woosh

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                310 months ago

                Are you like an idiot or something? You actually thought asking “what’s en passant?” Was going to come across as funny or sarcastic? Do you actually think everyone knows what en passant is? Most people don’t know how to play chess, yet you think asking what en passant is, is some sort of witty thing? Moron.

                • fkn
                  link
                  English
                  -110 months ago

                  Now I am confused about if you get the joke or not.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        1110 months ago

        Yeah, chess was really hard when the board had to be vertical. Horizontal orientation was a huge improvement to the player experience.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      2310 months ago

      Castle was put in place around the 17th century, and en passant wasn’t put into the rules until 1880. Both were balance issues being solved.

    • Stern
      link
      English
      110 months ago

      deleted by creator

  • @baropithecus
    link
    English
    7410 months ago

    White is OP, known issue since 1889 and devs haven’t addressed it. Dead game

    • MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown
      link
      fedilink
      4110 months ago

      Castling itself (as a single move) is a 17th century balance update. Before that it was done as separate moves. But the only reason castling became a thing was because the Queen and Bishop were buffed in the 15th century allowing them to threaten more spaces. This made it more advantageous to fortify the king’s position than to have him flee.

    • The Picard ManeuverOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      3810 months ago

      Funny story time:

      I had someone cheat against me the other day (without me realizing it, because I don’t have the game sense to tell), then offer a draw in a clearly winning position. I guess they were trying to avoid detection, but I decided that I didn’t want their handout, declined the draw offer, and resigned.

      The system immediately flagged them as cheating and refunded my elo, so I guess all’s well that ends well.

      • @lemick24
        link
        English
        1010 months ago

        Excellent Chad loss, my man

        • The Picard ManeuverOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          1110 months ago

          It’s the rating system for competitive gaming that was originally developed for chess, but has since been applied to all sorts of gaming, sports, etc. sometimes you might even hear people refer to a game’s matchmaking rating as “elo”, even it’s not called that.

          Also, fun fact: it’s not an acronym, it’s a guy’s name:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            210 months ago

            Interesting, thanks for the info! What does refunded my elo mean? Do you have to pay for a matchmaking?

            • The Picard ManeuverOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              1210 months ago

              Oh no, it’s completely free to play. What I meant was that when a game is over, the winning player gains rating points and the losing player loses rating points, proportional to the rating difference between them.

              Since I had lost that game, I lost rating (elo) points. But, since the system recognized that it was against a cheater, which isn’t fair, it gave me the points back when they banned him so that my rating would be unaffected.

    • Kogasa
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1610 months ago

      I bet a bot can beat you at Counter Strike too if we made them as strong as possible like chess bots.

    • swope
      link
      fedilink
      410 months ago

      “Butt bots… Sorry. But bots have become…” (Read in Ze Frank voice)

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    54
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    Not quite true. Before the ~15th century, the queen moved like the king and the pawns could only move 1 square from their starting square. These changes were made to make the game more exciting and less slow.

  • @xantoxis
    link
    English
    3410 months ago

    It doesn’t get balance updates because the sides are virtually identical, it’s not hard when your game design doesn’t take risks

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1610 months ago

      You are quite correct that an asymetrical game is much harder to balance.

      However having identical sides and a symmetric playing field doesn’t always guarantee a balanced game. For example, if one piece or position dominates all others it can lead to a lack of viable options and just one way to play, making the game uninteresting. You don’t just want the players to have equal strength, you also want the universe of possible playing strategies to contain many different strong options.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1210 months ago

      Actually it has had balance changes. Chess clock for instance is a balance update between the players, but there’s also been balancing between pieces. En passant and castling but also changing how the pieces work (for example bishop).

      Despite the obvious symmetry of the game there’s still a lot to balance.

      • @Bayz0r
        link
        English
        310 months ago

        Yes and this isn’t necessary because the two sides are completely identical. No differences in pieces or terrain or anything so there’s no need to change a piece to make it stronger or weaker.

        • @n0clue
          link
          English
          310 months ago

          So I can’t get a Battlepass knight? That doesn’t seem fair.

  • @givesomefucks
    link
    English
    2910 months ago

    Devs abandoned it, players won’t

    • jorge
      link
      fedilink
      English
      310 months ago

      It is too simple to be useful in real life: a mere 8 by 8 grid, no fog of war, no technology tree, no random map or spawn position, only 2 players, both sides exact same pieces, etc.

      Polytopia addresses these limitations.

  • @LEDZeppelin
    link
    English
    1610 months ago

    Folks over at c/AnarchyChess are feeling so triggered rn

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      510 months ago

      Eh. My last move was to tie a ballistic missile to a pawn and roll it down a pinball machine. Their move is to keep it from hitting the bottom and exploding. That would keep them occupied for a while.

  • @De_Narm
    link
    English
    1210 months ago

    Well, balance is quite a bit easier if everything is a mirror match. And they still fucked it up, white has the starting advantage.

    • @Skullgrid
      link
      English
      710 months ago

      Nah, staring position is zugzwang, black gets to capitalise on whites blunder in the opening.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      310 months ago

      Having your opponent make the first move can absolutely be an advantage since it hints to the strategy they’re going with.

      I typically choose black for that reason.

    • @A7thStone
      link
      English
      710 months ago

      She’s such a Mary Sue.

    • Victor
      link
      English
      1110 months ago

      Rocket League is also like chess. Basically the same, just different.