This is like banning usb cables so Hyundai/Kia cars won’t be stolen, instead of forcing the car manufacturer to just install an actual immobilizer on affected vehicles. Seeing Hyundai/Kia do everything but install immobilizers is infuriating as well. They’re rolling out software updates, giving out wheel locks, installing cages on the ignition panel, etc. Literally everything but fix the problem.

The problem is they are banning a device that doesn’t solve the issue at all except if you have a car from before the 90s. The tools being used for this are custom made with a much larger range. Maybe they should ban smartphones too since people are using them to detect laptops in cars to break into since they are being stupid about it.

It won’t stop theives from being able to obtain them. And it’s a legit tool, should we ban all usb because they can be used to steal Hyundai and Kia cars?

It’s obvious there are flaws to car manufacturers theft protection. Shit watch LPL, lock noob, Bosnian Bill (hope you’re doing well brother) and you will see most locks are a fucking joke.

There are Defcon vids on YouTube that go over how cars can be hacked yet manufacturers are still using these systems

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

This device is probably not what a professional car thief would use. It may be used sometimes by someone messing around, but it’s a tool made for an introduction into different types of penetration (testing). It doesn’t do anything as well as a more dedicated device would, and it’s also not as customizable. If a car is vulnerable to this then it’s vulnerable to a lot more things. Also, if someone really wants to steal your car they don’t need this device specifically.

More like hide the problem so no one knows about it. This is the entire locksmith ideology, security through obscurity and that has been working out great hasn’t it?

I don’t have any faith in our incompetent government to do anything right if it costs corporations money.

Who gives a shit? He prob doesn’t know what it is or what it is used for either, and neither does his party apparently

You should get those brain worms checked out

Politicians passing laws based on things they don’t understand?

aka virtue signaling

That’s not a thing in Canada. Our motor vehicle standards require immobilizers.

The lack of arrestors is the issue there and the company should be liable.

Probably possible but the thing would be running for hours or days to crack the code. That’s not really useful for a quick hack.

If so I’m sure someone can find this app and show its been done?

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That isn’t bypassing rolling codes, that’s capturing a single code while preventing it from reaching the car.

And once the code is used once, or the fob gets a new code to the car, the previously captured code is useless.

This isn’t the same thing as bypassing rolling codes.

It’s pretty difficult, you need to get the rolling code from the fob, but you also need to jam it so it doesn’t reach the car.

Then you have one opportunity to replay the code before the holder of the fob hits the button in range and rolls the code over.

So even if you manage to set that up that only gets you in the car, it doesn’t get it started.

I remember when they had the same conversations about packet sniffers.

Turned out the answer was to use encryption and switches.

The thing is, if there’s a wireless exploit/hack that can cause “patient harm” the FDA+Health Canada would force a recall the sec its publicly known.

The flipper wouldn’t be the only thing able to exploit it, anybody with a radio and some software would be able to. It just so happens the flipper can also do it cause its a swiss army knife and has a general purpose radio.

Generally by the time an attack exists on the flipper, its already been mastered on laptops and raspberry pis and stuff, putting it on the flipper is more to make it available to test easily without having to lug out the laptop. Nobody is inventing new exploits for such underpowered hardware as the flipper. People are porting known exploits to it.

I can’t say how concerned you should be, but this won’t make her any safer than before, equal risk. Just as likely someone with a laptop in a backpack doing that. We don’t make laptops illegal tho.

What I would be concerned about is the idea that the company that makes the implant would not be able to easily test for issues in the implant with such an “illegal” device. Yes they could use a laptop, but you don’t use an xray machine to find a stud, you use a handheld studfinder cause its cheap and easy.

Hope that helps explain a bit

tamagochi elements to the dolphin buddy.

hahaha thanks! i love the idea of the co2 sensor

The Wi-Fi card is a must in my opinion. Learning about EAPOL handshakes, hashing, cracking and list vs masks was an awesome use of some 200 hours. Obviously I only used hardware I own and configured, but boy do I feel like Mr. Robot lol.

I’ve just had premonitions of cars crashing into each other in car parks when the ‘self parking’ mode is hacked…

As things progress, security should improve. Keyword SHOULD. But they don’t because good security ain’t cheap.

Direct quote from https://flipperzero.one/:

Flipper Zero Multi-tool Device for Geeks Flipper Zero is a portable multi-tool for pentesters and geeks in a toy-like body. It loves hacking digital stuff, such as radio protocols, access control systems, hardware, and more. It’s fully open-source and customizable, so you can extend it in whatever way you like.

Flipper Zero is a portable multi-tool for pentesters and geeks

multi-tool for pentesters

pentesters

Pentester or penetration tester is a cybersecurity professional that can be located on red team (offence) or blue team (defence) and works to determine potential vectors for attack that need to be rectified or exploited, depending on who they’re working for and what their goals are for their employer.

A single guy does not have 3 layers of managers and bosses above him, who have “better ideas”, costscutting policies and “i have no idea what you just explained to me, so lets just not do it!”.

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I can buy lockpicks, slimjims, and all sorts of other locksmith tools made specifically to gain access to cars quickly and easily. And I could have been doing so for way, way longer than the Flipper has existed.

Well you can address drug addiction and vulnerability to an extent but this is about autotheft? What do drug addicts or vulnerable low income people need 6497 stolen cars for? Those will probably be caught relatively easily anyway if they just drive in the area.

The thing is that they ship these cars overseas as quick as possible and for big money and nearly impossible to recover. You can’t do that as some lone Joe looking for your next blow, it’s a profitable criminal enterprise with multiple people taking part, to steal the cars, schmooze through the paperwork, get the cars in containers to ship, then receive payment at the other end.

Some of the initial carjackings may be opportunistic, but the people shipping the stolen cars out of the country are definitely organized.

Nah, flip that around. What’s a random crackhead going to do with a stolen car? Vs an already-organized and knowledgeable business like a towing company who wants to add a lucrative side gig. That’s who’s doing catalytic converter theft, too.

Your points are all valid and I agree with your suggestions. I still think every hour of delay is important to try to track down the car before it gets out of the country…

So compare an easy to steal car with a keyed ignition, with a modern push to start car. I don’t drive now but I used to drive the former. It wouldn’t sell for much in a used market or criminal market. Being stolen for use in a crime it may be more useful on the other hand. I don’t know if thieves looking for easy marks would go for that car over one with more modern tech…

Then what’s the manufacturer’s excuse for not having them on current models? It would prevent the “one and done” type of attacks, there’s at least a chance that any setup gets caught on camera before the car is stolen later?

I remember one of my seniors at work asking me how open source software manages to develop so much without a direct monetary incentive.
“There’s no lack of resources to give everyone everything they want.” <- is the point.

Our civilisation has enough people who like coding, willing to put their spare time into OSS, to be able to get good quality tools for use in all fields. Now all we need is for all of those people to be given enough spare time without having to worry about things like mortgages, loan payments and basic survival in some cases and everyone can profit (including the companies who would be giving them the spare time).

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The companies will just go around blaming some random engineer for it and then go on throwing money for PR stuff.

I had not heard of that one. Was it the “internet is full of tubes” guy?

Now I have to put holes in my own cheese using my own secret, illegal methods

I have one.

Its fun.

But on the subject of rolling codes, I was able to get through a security gate that relies on, essentially, a garage door opener.

The exploit relied on the ridiculously low amount of rolling codes it cycled through.

Capture one, and try it a few times to get through.

Cars are more robust. Despite tinkering with it for about 8 hours, I wasn’t successful with defeating it. That being said, I picked up the device, in part, to start messing around with various signals as an educational tool.

Yeah, but saving 1.50 per car improves some stupid business performance indicator, which respectively will get some manager a nice bonus.

Or modern Kia cars, it’s horrible

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