• callyral [he/they]
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    9 months ago

    My idea: have it so every time the document is opened the names are randomly scrambled. I don’t think this would work with PDF or on paper but it’s a fun idea

    Edit: While it wouldn’t work decently on paper, this would work with E-Ink display, and instead have it change every few seconds while the paper is being read.

    • JoYo
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      249 months ago

      I do the same but with all the words.

    • @grue
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      59 months ago

      It wouldn’t work with PDF, but probably would work with Postscript (being that it’s Turing-complete).

      (I say “probably” because I don’t know for a fact that Postscript’s API has a random function.)

  • SpookyAlex03
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    349 months ago

    I wonder if this was inspired by a recent xkcd?

    At text: People may complain about readability, but even with jpeg compression, extracting the data points is usually computationally feasible if there aren’t too many of them.

  • @[email protected]OP
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    309 months ago

    Not only is this paper real: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.01393.pdf

    But they actually made it practical:

    We have implemented two ways to reveal the actual names present in an overlapping stack, when viewing a PDF file on a computer.

    First, hovering over the stacked names should pop up a tooltip with the authors listed in their original order, as shown in Figure 1.

    This feature works on many desktop PDF viewers (e.g., Acrobat, Evince, Firefox, VSCode), but notably not Chrome, Edge, Safari, or MacOS Preview. It also does not work on mobile devices we tested (probably because they lack a natural notion of “hovering”).

    • FuglyDuck
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      299 months ago

      That doesn’t sound very practical at all.

      All it’s done is force you to read a tooltip. Which is an awful idea. The tooltips still create a first-author situation, so now your forced to screw around with a tooltip for…. Nothing.

      • @[email protected]OP
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        99 months ago

        I mean, relatively practical. Just the fact that they actually made an effort. It’s not much different from having it in a footnote

      • @[email protected]
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        59 months ago

        Easy fix (for html). Just embed js to randomly shuffle the order of the authors every time you hover or something.

      • @[email protected]
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        39 months ago

        I think the point is to recognise a paper by its author blob so you don’t end up needing the tooltip that much (they talk about it in the paper) I’m not really convinced that it’s worth it, but they did think it through.

    • @grue
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      29 months ago

      Hmm… it’s not working for me in either Firefox or Okular.

    • Ricky Rigatoni
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      79 months ago

      International collaboration with Spaniards and Hispanics instantly drops to 0.

  • 667
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    Every paper comes with an author appendix as cut-out scrabble tiles (scrambled) so readers assemble the names in the order they prefer.

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    I honestly didn’t know if this was serious at first…

    Edit: lol the fuck? It is real? When you hover, the tooltip is still a list with an order… what’s the point?

  • @[email protected]
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    79 months ago

    I thought we already did authorship in alphabetical order so as to avoid any implied hierarchy?

      • drailin
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        39 months ago

        I thought I was hot shit with a low-priority B name, but the Adams in my collaboration showed me just how truly mid I am. If he wasn’t on my dissertation committee… and also a cool dude… and a good scientist…, I would have some choice words for him!

        • @[email protected]
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          39 months ago

          Get rid of that guy! And you don’t have to do it alone. B names of the university, unite! You have nothing to lose but your second place and all the first places to gain

          • drailin
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            29 months ago

            I’ll make him rue the day he was born. I will make the kerning on the copy of my dissertation I send him just slightly weird so that it gives him uncanny discomfort while reading it. Any plots I cite from his work will be slightly lower resolution. He won’t know what hit him.

    • @[email protected]
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      49 months ago

      They talk about alphabetical order in the introduction, you can see a bit of it in the screenshot. It feels just slightly unfair because you’ll always get Adams et al. and never Zimmer et al.

  • @SquirrelX
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    29 months ago

    I may be missing the point, but why not instead list names in whatever order, but clarify who contributed what.

    • @jagungal
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      99 months ago

      Order matters in academia whether the authors want it to or not. Other academics will look at the order of the authors and make judgements based on that, so you’d have to specify something like “authors listed alphabetically”.