I think it’s been a month, maybe two?
You should read the post by Stamets about the move to get some more context about why the new community, if that interests you.
Link to the post mentioned: https://lemmy.world/post/11959030
Thanks
A few of us did leave comments and posts behind telling people where to go, but they quickly got deleted by the mod. Sorry, we tried. Glad you managed to find us!
While I enjoy the content, I subscribe to neither. Rest assured that anyone who has browsed Hot or Top 24h would sooner or later be made aware of the existence of TenForward. The
spamquality content here tend to bubble up to the top. 🖖I didn’t think to do that…
No joke, I browse top 12h and the first day of the switch was already a huge difference, and now I basically don’t see Risa anymore.
Heh, of course he did. It takes a real big brain to kill a community where the only rule is “there are no rules.” A big, smooth brain.
Hey, you’re the creator of the original r/risa back on Reddit! Yeah, it’s crazy how quickly the burrito truck tanked it…the exodus practically happened overnight! I found out about Ten Forward not 48 hours after Stamets created it, and by then 95% of the posters had already moved away from Risa. I’m sorry they killed your creation, it’s a real shame it had to happen over such stupid reasons.
I sure am, and thanks!
Yeah, I am genuinely sad they killed it… but not all that surprised. I cut ties with that instance precisely because their moderation style is so opaque and capricious. It’s great to see the spirit of the place live on here.
Maybe next time divide the power of the instance between people. From there you could create some policies to handle issues.
It seems like drama in community infrastructure is common. Its best to think ahead.
Sorry about your instance though. I take it you didn’t buy the domain.
On paper, we did that. There are multiple admins and we laid out a mission statement and guiding principles to try and ensure everyone was on the same page.
But at the end of the day, there’s one name on the domain registration and one person getting the monthly bill. When that person tells you “these other people are more important to the success of this instance than you are” following a disagreement on how to apply those guiding principles, there’s not much you can do but get out of Dodge.
Fair enough
Thanks for listening. I appreciate it.
The removed my posts asking people to post more because of “drama”
I didn’t even know there was “drama” until recently. I like the idea of startrek[.]website but I don’t like the way its being run. They should do a voluntary shift change.
startrek.website is a disgrace to the principles of its namesake.
I’ve been wondering lately if they’re even allowed to get away with that domain and branding.
The domain and name of the place was my idea, how do you think I feel :(
Really?! Jesus. I have been giving Corgana and ValueSubtracted way too much credit then. I assumed they were the ones who came up with the name. Half expecting to find out next that it wasn’t even their idea to move.
Damn…
Maybe startrek2[.]website?
Not really related but I love everything you bring to Lemmy and I haven’t caught the Star Trek bug yet. Give ’em hell and don’t let them bring you down.
Hey, I made it over. Thanks for the heads-up you gave me! The notification came through before the post was deleted.
Who are you? Anyway I’m glad I could help.
In one of those deleted posts you told me that my other instance (Beehaw) is especially aggressive about blocking instances, and you said that there had been some disagreement with a mod that I’d have to research myself.
This is the gritty yellow-brown paste I needed. Savory.
I noticed it switched when all the good Star Trek memes in my “all” feed switched from Risa to TenForward. Didn’t even know there was drama over on the other board until I saw the post. That’s one of the nice things about the fediverse, don’t like it, switch somewhere else and if the votes follow, everyone will see it.
Democracy in action! Long live the United Federation of Memes!
I mean a good chunk of people left an entire site for various misgivings, if any mod has a power trip, the group of people willing to leave an entire site is likely also willing to switch a community if someones on a trip.
Am I being deprived of Stamets’ memes because of some thin-skinned power-tripping douche mod?
Time for a new instance. Any recommendations for a stable instance that federates with everyone (except for the worst, of course)?
Edit: If anyone is confused, I meant to reply to this comment that links to Stamets’ recent rundown on the whole kerfuffle.
Edit 2: I just learned something I’d like to share with anyone else that needs to know. If a user (Stamets, for example) is banned on your instance (startrek.website, for example) even here, a community on lemmy.world, you can’t see his posts. Not only that, but if he comments you can’t see any replies to his comment. There are a lot of comments in this thread startrek.website users can’t see.
If you don’t want overzealous admins curating your experience on other instances, you might want to find a new instance.
Sh.itjust.works has been excellent for me since joining. Any outages we have had have been resolved quickly and I have yet to see any spam.
I just jumped over to world because of all this. That makes my third instance in less than a year after leaving kbin.social for startrek land a few months ago. Lemmy is a little exhausting.
But at least that’s an option. There is no non-spez instance of reddit, non-musk instance of twitter, or non-zuck instance of meta-stuff to jump to.
I took both of the other respondents suggestions. It only took a few minutes to get approved at both and now I can see Car Talk With Martok again.
I didn’t even know that the admin of my instance banning someone would prevent me from seeing posts made in another instance.
Same, I didn’t know until I saw this comment
And that is why I made that enormous post.
If he wanted to just privately throw a fit about me, fine. He reports me to unrelated admins and complains about perfectly fine toots? Whatever. I can eat that. What infuriated me was him going “I don’t like you so I am going to deny everyone on my platform seeing you.”
Frankly it’s just pathetic piss baby behavior. I’m sorry that his shittiness is having to contribute to you jumping around instances. Genuinely.
Hopefully other users on startrek.website figure it out. I assumed I would see every post and comment posted on tenforward unless it was removed by lemmy.world admins or tenforward mods.
It’s a bit annoying that an admin can curate my experience on other instances. But now I know to be on the lookout for it.
If the admins ever made a move over there to restrict more mods/posters of this community then honestly we would probably just alter the name of the community or sidebar or something so that the community itself would also be informing on what happened. I’m just not about to do it for my ass alone. Not nearly that egotistical lol
Yeah instance bans are heavy and you need to be able to back it up with something. Not just “He was mean to me! Wahhh!”
Honestly I still kinda feel like a dick even making comments like that about the admins over there. I really don’t want to cause shit and have all this happen. I just wanted to post memes to Risa and have everyone be chill and happy. Would have been more than fine to continue with that blissful existence. Do I mind modding? No. Do I want to? No. But now I’ve seen what it’s like when people don’t care and I don’t want to leave communities I care about to that kind of mindset. So I’ll stay around for now. Although the mods we have here are all top tier and great people.
Yeah, if someone wants to remove posts/comments on their community, even for petty reasons, whatever, it’s your community. If we don’t like it, we can move.
But an admin saying no one on their instance can see an instance/community/user should be reserved for extreme cases, like csam or nazi shit. Hurt feelings or contentious disagreements, even if you really think the other person is being a dick, isn’t enough to justify that.
Hey man, not your fault. Petty little people who enjoy being tyrants over small, meaningless fiefdoms is an unfortunate theme of my life recently.
I’m just here for the memes and appreciate your efforts.
Well, you can’t see me at all but I’d obviously recommend lemmy.world personally although lemmy.dbzer0.com is a close second. I’ve heard mixed things about lemm.ee’s administration. sh.itjust.works is pretty good for the most part. I’ve got some personal experience with a couple of admins who are really kind people who work way too hard.
I can now.
Eyyyyyyyyy! Nice to see you again buddy <3
Hell yeah brother
Come sail the high seas, matey
Considering how much Paramount+ is charging- $11.99/mo for no ads- when they have a fraction of the content of, for example, Peacock, which costs the same… I don’t blame anyone for pirating Star Trek shows at this point.
And, of course, on top of that, Star Trek is spread across multiple streaming services and you would have to subscribe to them all and spend a ton of money if you wanted to watch it all.
Most Star Trek is on Paramount+. But if you want to watch Prodigy? You need Netflix. Want to watch the TOS and TNG movies? You need Max. But hey, you can watch JJ “Trek” on Paramount+ instead of First Contact or Wrath of Khan. If you really want to.
The admins and mods of that instance are 100% going to prison or getting heavily fined. Stay away or at least access it via Tor.
The admins and mods of that instance are 100% going to prison or getting heavily fined.
And why would that be?
Illegal activity (not you, the piracy instance)
Oh no I know you didn’t mean me, no worries. I was just curious. I’ve heard this said but I’ve also heard this said for months. Things going well so far.
What I predict is that it will slowly grow and then at some point it will get shutdown. It might be 6 months or it might be 6 years. Its hard to say.
r/piracy still survives to this day, so I very very highly doubt that. The police don’t care about people consuming pirated media or discussing it, they want to catch the people making the cracks
If a user (Stamets, for example) is banned on your instance (startrek.website, for example) even here, a community on lemmy.world, you can’t see his posts. Not only that, but if he comments you can’t see any replies to his comment. There are a lot of comments in this thread startrek.website users can’t see.
Jeez, that is…wow. A shitty mod can really wreck content visibility on the 'verse if they’re feeling particularly shitty.
Along with what Stamets already said, and I hope he doesn’t mind if he speaks on his behalf, he will be rather occupied for the foreseeable future- at least in the short term- and will be posting fewer memes during that time. But eventually, he’ll be back to his usual excellent post frequency and hopefully the rest of us mods can do what we can to fill the hole in his absence. And we’ll sure miss him while he’s busy!
Let me know if you want me to delete this, Stamets. I thought letting people know they won’t see as much of you as usual for a while would be okay, so I hope you’ll be okay with me revealing that without giving any personal details. Especially since we all love you and your posts and I don’t want people thinking what OP is thinking and getting concerned.
(To clarify, nothing dire is happening with Stamets, he’ll just be occupied with things other than Lemmy.)
Oh nah, you’re fine. No need to worry about that. Also that really did sound dire until that last line lol
I’m moving. That’s all <3
Cool, I didn’t want to say why you were going to be occupied just in case you didn’t want that detail out. And if I didn’t say this to you before, good luck with the move and we’ll see you soon!
No worries. I appreciate the discretion, my friend. And I’ll need it! Spending the week (starting Tuesday) with my homie and future roomie so we will see how it goes.
Any instance that is over a year old and medium sized should be fine.
My instance is Lemmy.zip but there are many more.
lemdro.id is always happy to host :)
I just found out today and had been wondering why the community suddenly died. Hopefully Ten Forward had something green to drink.
But you know what’s really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
Month and change. Check the logs a little over a week ago for a post by Stamets explaining the situation. Welcome aboard!
I personally don’t care for the centralized nature of Lemmy.world so good bye unfortunately!
Fair enough. Live long and prosper. We’ll always have Kevin.
Ok, I changed my mind. Can I come back?
Always!
Agreed! If only there was a Fedi site dedicated to star…
Well, fuck.
Time for startrek2[.]website?
Shore leave ended
I want the officer in charge of the crew transfer brought in immediately
You rang?
It’s* been dead on Risa
Has it moved again? I’m just seeing shitposts by the same two users now :(
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First off, I’m a mod. Not an Admin.
Second, that comment was made 4 months ago (The comment even says [email protected], an account that’s been deleted for nearly two months) and deleted almost immediately after posting because I felt like a dick. You even say as much because of the ‘obvious toxicity’. This is true. I was trying to be a better person so I deleted it. Also, no. I didn’t “start the toxic dogpiling”. This is even proven by the comment directly under mine in that screenshot which is someone else calling you out. You also didn’t make the post. You had commented on my post.
If you want an apology, all you ever had to do was ask. Something you have never done. I never offered one up because I didn’t realize the app you are using kept deleted messages. I felt like a dick and deleted it. I never even realized you harbored this grudge considering, again, this is 4 months later and you’ve yet to address this to me directly. I just went through 5 months of your posting history and I cannot find a singular time that you talked to me about this. I went through my messages and I cannot find a single message from you about this.
I’m sorry. Wasn’t my intention to hurt you which is why I deleted the comment immediately after. But I am not psychic and had no idea you felt this way. All you ever had to do was address this to me. I am genuinely sorry. I hope you have a good day and that things go well for you.
Edit: I forgot to respond to the last line.
How can we trust the admins here won’t do the same as what happened in Risa?
Risa was run by a singular moderator when we started setting up TenForward. That was a major point of failure. When I set up TenForward I asked multiple people to join, all of us with different stances and opinions, to make a more robust team. We generally run things past one another and if something comes up with someone elses behavior, we will address it. If we are heavy handed with our powers or the other mods disagree repeatedly, then we will step down or be removed. And if you want to report moderator abuse you can feel free to do so to the admins. You wouldn’t be the first and they do take action. Startrek.website admins never cared about what USS BurritoTruck was doing despite being messaged by multiple people about the problems inherent to Risa.
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Wow. Okay. I think like you read a lot of negative tone into my comment that wasn’t there so I’m going to explicitly say here and now that my tone is polite and casual. I am not trying to be accusatory.
Really? You felt it was important to start off with this tone on semantics?
It’s not semantics in this case. Due to there being many different instances with many different admins, I felt that it was important to distinguish. Not for you specifically but in general.
Why does that matter?
Because you have not said anything about this for 4 months and have suddenly brought it up out of nowhere.
Your comment was the first reply.
No. It was not. This is proven in the screenshot you yourself posted as the person below me is responding to the exact same comment. My tone is now starting to change from friendly to cautious because I’m not a huge fan of being lied about, especially when you yourself have posted the proof against your own claim.
I never made that claim. Why even bring this up? Does it matter?
That is on me. I misread something.
Again, why does it matter that it was 4 months? What if it was 6 months? 4 weeks? 4 days? How does that change your actions?
It doesn’t change my actions. It reflects yours. You haven’t said anything about this for months and made a screenshot immediately of it. You never talked about this to me. You never gave me a chance to apologize. You never addressed to me at all.
This is what happened: You created a post. I made a harmless joke. You didn’t like that joke and made a toxic comment. Other people didn’t like that joke and joined in to make toxic comments. I called those people out for being toxic since my joke was aimed at no individual and completely harmless, and the backlash for that was all toxic comments aimed at me for just shooting my shot to make other people laugh. When I called people out for being toxic that included you which is why I had that screenshot and I even pinged you directly with it.
No. You made a toxic comment. You made some “joke” that all the cast of SNW were too pretty or too beautiful. It was a backhanded and snarky comment which is why you were called jealous by the person in your screenshot. This is also why I said that you want what you can’t have. As for the ping, I didn’t get one or at least never saw one. But the last thing I would have been interested in doing in that moment would have been doubling down in public. If I got a ping like that I would have sent a private apology. Because I deleted it due to feeling like a dick. Did I think your comment was tasteless, unfunny, and frankly kind of rude? Yeah. But did I feel like a douchebag for being negative towards you? Yes. Thus why it was deleted almost immediately.
How can I even take this apology seriously in the context of tone of this whole comment?
That’s on you. The tone of my comment was not intended the way that you clearly took it. For that I also apologize in being unclear. But I am not trying to be angry or hostile or bitter here. Just genuinely saying that I am sorry, that I didn’t know you were upset, and that I can’t apologize for something I didn’t know was a thing.
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My reasoning for that is you started off by correcting my incorrect choice of word.
Because that was the opening of your message. I responded to your comment piece by piece, exactly as you did to me immediately after. Like I said, you assumed my tone and then acted off of that instead of asking for clarification.
My issue with it is that you have a large amount of weight in the Star Trek communities, and particularly under your own posts, and so when you post a toxic comment it shows others that it’s okay to do so as well.
The comment was deleted within 5 minutes, something that you are repeatedly ignoring and failing to leave out. Your entire lecture is predicated off of the assumption that the comment was left up long enough for a large number of people to see it which is just not true. It was deleted within 5 minutes. Pretty much the only people to see it were you and maybe 5 other people. You have shown that comment to more people than ever originally saw it when it was posted. You are giving more creedence and giving it more power than I ever did. You keep insisting and acting that I have “all this weight” and that it “won’t undo what I did” and that people follow me around and will see what I’m doing and then think it’s okay to do. That might be true. But what you have repeatedly failed to point out is that there was not enough time for that to even happen. You are lecturing me about a non-event.
I am hoping that knowing the consequences of your actions will help you make better decisions in the future. I am trying to hold you to your own community’s rule of “Just don’t let it make you forget that the person you are talking to is also a person.”
No. You are not. You are actively stirring up nonsense and causing drama. The comment was deleted months ago. The comment was on an unrelated community. The comment was before the rules were ever in existence. You are trying to hold the past accountable to rules from the present. You are acting as if I have done it today. You are trying to lecture me on my behavior as a moderator for private comments that were made months before I was ever appointed a moderator to any community anywhere. If I had done that as a mod, you would have a point. But I didn’t. That would be if any of your points were valid in the first place. The only foot you have is that I insulted you and that was a dick thing for me to do. This is true and why I deleted. But every one of your other complaints is based off of a false assumption that not just the community as a whole saw it and thought it was fine but that I also didn’t care. Both are untrue.
You want a chance to right your wrong? Here is your chance. Don’t try to excuse yourself or pass the blame. Just simply acknowledge what you did, apologize, and try to do better in the future.
I did. You want it again? I am sorry that I made that comment that insulted you personally. I felt like a dick and that is why I deleted the comment. It wasn’t right of me to do and I shouldn’t have done it. I am sorry you felt that way and it’s something I’ve been striving to not do in the months since.
I have nothing else to apologize for when it comes to my behavior surrounding you.
If you see dogpiling, step in and say something.
If it is in a community that I moderate? Absolutely. Which I do. But you don’t get to lecture me and tell me what to do as an individual. I might step in. I might not. That’s my decision to make, not yours. I am not a public servant who answers to the people. I am a person. If you disagree with me, downvote me. If you don’t like me, block me. But you do not get to stand on a pedestal and dictate how I will act.
I am not engaging with you further. If you have any moderation concerns, feel free to message one of the other moderators. If you have any concerns about my behavior, report it to the moderators of that community.
I am done listening to you.
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You have made your point. I see no reason to continue engaging.
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We can’t. That’s part of the reason I try really hard to avoid Lemmy.world
Well, actually you can. The admins of lemmy.world are far more responsive to actual criticism and will deal with abusive moderators. There have been more than one that has been removed due to their actions. The admins of Startrek.website didn’t care at all and listened to zero criticism or feedback.
TenForward was also created because of the moderators not the admins, a very large distinction that needs to be made. When TenForward was initially created, we were on perfectly good terms with the admins, even if we didn’t agree with them. At no point in the creation of this community were the admins a consideration.
Yeah, we could’ve done much worse for admins. Lemmy.world is pretty good right now but I’m concerned about the centralization of power and the single point of failure. I would’ve preferred a medium sized instance but you can’t win it all I suppose.
Maybe at some point the community can create a different community on a medium sized instance. I’m just concerned about potentially controversial decisions being made that have a huge impact on the community.
I’m just concerned about potentially controversial decisions being made that have a huge impact on the community.
TenForward is proof that with Lemmy the concern shouldn’t be so severe. Risa is enormous and was for a while. But now it is effectively dead with no one posting on it. Why? Because controversial decisions of the community caused the community to go to another instance and set things up there instead.
I wouldn’t worry too much. Star Trek is pretty aggressively about hope and freedom. Even if I were to become the most Romulan bastard around, it wouldn’t change the community. They’d all leave and set up on another instance and should rightfully do so.
Fediverse be awesome, yo.
That scene made me laugh so damn hard. That’s always exactly how I imagined they acted.
