• @EdibleFriend
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    What an amazing cutting edge breakthrough. Truly frontier technology. The mind boggles.

    • @jqubed
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      I thought we’d seen it all when they finally let people change the default notification sound in iOS 17!

      • @RGB3x3
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        I’m sorry, I’m browsing from /all. You don’t actually mean they only started allowing notification sound customization 17 versions into their OS, right? You’re making a joke?

        Because holy hell, what basic functionality that should have been included over a decade ago.

        • @osprior
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          You’ve always been able to change it for built in applications (messages, mail, phone, etc.). I assume the above poster was joking? Or maybe there’s some nuanced feature they added around it recently.

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          You could change the defaults for a number of things, but not the miscellaneous stuff. The “default” category is new.

          It’s really weird, because Apple has been selling tones forever, and they had a tone selection component already. It’s like someone just never prioritized the day of work in their jira backlog.

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          You could change certain notification sounds, like for iMessage, the built-in mail app, ringtones, etc. Individual apps could set their own custom notification sound as well, or enable a setting that allowed users to change them. But there was also a default, “general” notification sound set by Apple that would be used by any app that hadn’t specified a notification sound, and that could not be changed by the user. It was perhaps the single most annoying thing when I switched from Android.

          More specifically, it looks like the change came in iOS 17.2 after Apple changed the default notification sound for everyone in iOS 17 from the one they’d used for years. I guess enough people hated the change and wanted to go back that they finally gave users an option to pick their own.

          Still can’t change the Apple Watch default sound, apparently.

      • Tiger Jerusalem
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        I will be shocked if they figure out how to use MP3 files as notification sounds. Then I’ll believe we are truly living in the future.

        • @jqubed
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          Now that’s just fantasy talk

      • @EdibleFriend
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        Nobody said android is making leaps and bounds recently either. Just a stupid joke about how long it took them to add this very basic feature lol

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          Oh, you mean the same stupid joke we can read in literally every comment thread about Apple adding features to iOS?

  • Jesus
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    Every modern release of iOS is more like Android, and every modern release of Android is more like iOS. Welcome to convergent evolution.

    By 2030, the only major difference between Android and iOS will be that, when you hit the bottom of a scrolling page, one will be a little bouncy and the other will be a little stretchy.

    People will still fight over which OS is the best.

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        In this release, we added a big claw you can use to pinch the nose of someone who was foolish enough to buy a phone from our competitor.

        • @WhatAmLemmy
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          We also enabled additional anti-competitive features — we think you’re gonna love it!

          • @Archer
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            Also, you don’t have a choice. This phone will reboot and install the update in 5…4…

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        Except one crab costs more than the other … still the same crabs though

        • Jesus
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          And here we go again. People still arguing over which crab to buy.

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      Bullshit, by 2030 everything will be doomscrollable thanks to generative text AI. Our marketing department has done some research and concluded that our customers will stop using their device if they hit the bottom.

    • @kokopelli
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      Personally I like the bounce, the stretch on my android always felt anticlimactic

      • Jesus
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        Yeah, I assume the Android stretch is because Apple might throw a legal hissy fit if they directly cloned iOS’s “rubber banding.” It was one of the early R&D interaction models that was key to Jobs green lighting the iPhone.

        • @kokopelli
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          Really? That’s kind of neat. I will say, iphones feel really nice to use, with the haptics and also general fluid animations. That is, assuming you do “basic phone things”, because as soon as you try and do complex things you need many more taps per action and sometimes the animated delay gets in the way.

          • Jesus
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            Turning on some of an OS’ accessibility setting around motor and vision impairments can speed things up if you want to fly fast. There are a lot fun hidden features that will kill animation or open up hidden shortcuts.

            IMHO, the end of scroll animation is probably one of the more harmless ones. Since scroll bars are usually hidden or faint, it provides some affordance for hitting the end of the line.

            Using an old Android phone that does a hard stop really feels pretty bad now. It’s one of those “how the fuck did we live this way for so long” moments. It’s like going back to a lower refresh rate on a display. It just feels kind of janky.

            • @kokopelli
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              I like the animations for the most part. The only time it gets annoying is when I misclick and have to wait for the animation of shame to complete lol

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    this is an unpopular opinion but i know the aesthetic reason for apple not implementing this for so long, and like eveything, it’s to make money.

    android design is pretty good, but user created android phones home screens can often look pretty hateful, often with 4-6 screens of more empty space than icons, tons of widgets with an inconsistent design scheme, random half empty folders and a notification bar overcrowded with overshrunk icons. android phones often look like old Windows XP desktops—even on flagship distributions.

    in contrast to google, apple cares what your phone looks like because they have a highly visual brand.

    apple, by not allowing placement anywhere intentionally enforced a consistent top-left to bottom-right aesthetic which is now ubiquitous to the brand. among other design decisions, the result is that when you blur your eyes and look at a phone home screen you can tell whether it is apple or not.

    • but the functionality is worse, yes i know.
    • but it actually does look worse too, to you maybe, but not to apple. my belief is they did this for the same reason they put the magic mouse’s lighting port on the bottom (to keep users from always using it plugged in. which looks “ugly”).

    the power of a strong and unmistakable brand is incomparable. in many cases, the value of a brand can even outperform raw product utility when it comes to customer satisfaction, a theory which i believe apple has been leveraging in this case very much intentionally despite the seeming paradox of utility.

    edit: already getting downvoted to heck i should have known better than to be aware of basic marketing principles lol. i promise you im not defending apple im just explaining why they did this to make more money.

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      Your comment isn’t even that pro-Apple, and it’s much more generous towards Android’s design than you’d find on any other space titled apple_enthusiast.

      And generally speaking isn’t that the exact reason they gave for not adding widgets right away? I thought this was more well known fact than an opinion.

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        i was getting close to -10 points for a second 😭 i guess the sane people that don’t just knee jerk vote were asleep

        idk about the widgets lore i literally don’t follow apple at all i just happen to know about marketing and design stuff

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          I noticed lemmy to have way less reactionary voting compared to reddit. Your comment makes a lot of sense. Just look at this mess lol but at the end of the day it’s my phone and my mess.

    • Jesus
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      I’d be shocked if they just cloned Android’s default functionality and called it a day. Like the App Library, they’re probably going to try to have a unique spin on it, and will try to address some of the user experience quirks that a lot of iOS users don’t like.

      I’ll bet money that it’s going to be pre structured layouts that look nice, like the Apple Watch, with one layout being “go nuts.” A CMS template system for the Home Screen.

      • @jqubed
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        I actually overall like the App Library, I just hate that the categories shift around seemingly at random. But I slowly keep removing more apps from the Home Screen; at some point my goal is to get down to one Home Screen with my most used apps and everything else is in the App Library.

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      I have to disagree on one point – that iOS home screens somehow look more orderly because they’re full of icons arranged in a strict top-left-to-bottom-right fashion. It doesn’t look any less cluttered than an overly full Windows desktop.

      I found desktops that limit themselves to core functionality and maybe a nice wallpaper to be better looking and more usable since the days of Windows 95 and that hasn’t changed since.

      That “strict grid of icons” look certainly is uniform across iDevices and that’s what appeals to Apple but I never found it to be particularly attractive.

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        we actually agree on this point. i don’t argue they look more orderly i argue they look uniform across the ecosystem which was central to my thesis :)

    • @kokopelli
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      Wow… I never thought of the Magic Mouse thing, yet you’re entirely correct. Everyone would use it like that, and honestly it does look better without being plugged in (although everything else about it sucks, I hate that damn mouse)

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        thanks haha this is the first time ive brought up the mindset behind it without being called a shill or something 😭

        i personally do like the magic mouse i like the lil touchpad on top but i can definitely see how it would suck weeeeeener for gaming or perhaps design applications, probably a lot more than those examples too

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      The Magic Mouse thing is also about the battery, a battery kept plugged in all the time is more likely to swell.

      • @[email protected]
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        It’s also about cable wear and tear. With a molded, fixed cable you can do proper boot and strain relief. A pluggable charge cable would be ribbons in like three months.

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      I totally agree, and would argue that this enshittification for their own benefit began around the iPhone 4 and iOS 7. Things were beautiful to see in promotional videos but they wrecked years of visual conventions and features for aesthetics. The actively choose profits and aesthetics over their users.

  • @anon_8675309
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    How courageously innovative. I bet their implementation will be extremely polished because they waited so long. /s

  • @MisterFrog
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    Only took them 18 major version releases. Maybe one day we’ll get to choose an alarm snooze timer than isn’t 9 minutes something.

    ⁰_0

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      SERIOUSLY. I’m currently stuck with an iPhone and was so annoyed when I found out you just couldn’t define the snooze duration. Like, what?

    • Ghostalmedia
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      Eh, it’s the same on the Android side of the fence. There are big and small features that Google has been comically slow to crib from iOS.

      I’ve definitely said “fucking finally” to things like overflow scrolling animations, and the “wild” idea that users should get 5+ of major OS releases.

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        Eh, it’s the same on the Android side of the fence. There are big and small features that Google has been comically slow to crib from iOS.

        I’ve definitely said “fucking finally” to things like overflow scrolling animations,

        Those things like overflow scrolling, keyboard peak, etc… were only held back because Apple would patent it prevent it from being put into Android and would file frivolous lawsuits against other phone manufacturers to try and get them not to use them, even when some android variants already had it built in before apple patented it in the first place. (I still facepalm at apple trying to sue others over a rounded rectangle shaped phone)

        And those patents lawsuits only stopped because other phone companies called bullshit and started threatening apple with their own patents.

        and the “wild” idea that users should get 5+ of major OS releases.

        TL;DR on this point: not much of an issue anymore.

        This isn’t an android/iOS thing, it’s a manufacturer thing. If a chip isn’t supported by it’s manufacturer, then no software on it can be supported. Different manufacturers had different support windows, but Qualcomm became notorious for making chips, then only supporting them for 2 years so they could sell a new “supported” one (and watch the money roll in). Once they saw other the larger players getting pissed off and poking around with the idea of making their own chips, Qualcomm quickly decided that they could support their chips for longer. Now they have to since both Google and Samsung have made public promises for 5-7 year support cycles. Of course, that hasn’t stopped other phones from already reaching 7 years of official support before. (A notable example being Fairphone 2 who used a Qualcomm chip while they were still in their shitty behaviour phase and managed to support it for 7 years, 2 years Qualcomm support then 5 years of their own support despite Qualcomm.)

        Also, when Google was pissed at Qualcomm they decided to start modularising their OS and pulling chunks out of it out of needing direct hardware support. This means that even if chip support were to stop, it would only affect the background / lowest-level-invisible-to-the-user parts of the OS, and all the user visible parts of the OS could be updated independently (starting with Project Treble, and going all out with Project Mainline). This basically means that entire chunks of the OS can be updated the same way an app can be, early 2010 Qualcomm companies be damned.

        This also has the weird thing of android not really being a “version” per se, one phone might have different components of Android 10/11/12/13/14/etc… running at the same time. The components themselves have their own versions.

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        Android still doesn’t have shake-to-undo. I use iOS and Android and switch between them regularly for work, and every time I typo something or accidentally delete a bunch of text on Android, it’s incredibly jarring to not have the undo capability.

        • @[email protected]
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          I use Gboard as a keyboard and it’s got an undo button. Maybe try that (your mileage may vary)

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      How long did it android manufacturers take to implement features that actually matter, like filming in Dolby Vision / HDR? Fanboyism is not cool.

      • @[email protected]
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        Who actually uses those features on a phone? Just buy an actual camera, even with those features, a smartphone camera probably won’t film at an expected quality. I acknowledge fanboyism is not a good thing, but this is not an Android fanboy thing. These are very basic features that should have already been implemented on a device with a marketshare this large.

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          No these are not basic features, most users don’t really care about it. You don’t think Apple does research? How can Apple have such an huge market share if those things are things that people are desperate for like you act? And no, I can’t take a full camera on my backpack trips, every ounce counts. Plenty of people shoot with their phone, don’t act like you don’t know this.

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            Yes, plenty of people that don’t really need high quality Dolby Vision HDR pictures shoot with their phone. It is not a lie to say that they’re really late on a lot of things, such as sideloading (they’re still trying to push this back lol), simple customization options, ability to use a different web browser than Safari and much more. You sound like the fanboy here.

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            Also yes, being able to move applications anywhere you want on your home screen is a basic feature. Most people might not care about it, but it is still a basic feature.

      • @Telodzrum
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        like filming in Dolby Vision / HDR

        Listen, Android isn’t any better than iOS overall, but to pretend that this is something that matters to anything but edge cases on rare occasions is just lying.

        • @hydrospanner
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          IDK man, HDR is a pretty big deal for me…

          • @Telodzrum
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            That makes you an edge case.

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          Yeah my phone is literally unusable without the “feature” to place icons somewhere else 😂

          If you don’t k ow how many users shoot videos with their phones, you might want to look up the stats. You are talking about stuff you don’t know anything about.

  • Ghostalmedia
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    Welcome to apple_enthusiast, where most of the comments seem to come from people that haven’t had iOS as a daily driver since the iPhone 3 or 4.

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      My gf has an iPhone 14 which I bought for her. I’ve had to use it several times and I hate the damn thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • @kokopelli
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        What part? Genuinely curious as I enjoy both. Only thing I actively despise is the inability to natively use manual focus

          • @kokopelli
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            The number line is very cool. I do miss that, as well as long-pressing any key to get the character located “behind” it.

            • nocturne
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              The native keyboard is about the only thing I dislike on my iPhone. I switched from an Android 13 months ago. But when I used Android I did not use the native keyboard either.

              • @kokopelli
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                I wish there was something solid like the zen phone 9 when I was looking to buy a new phone. I went with the iPhone 13 pro hoping it would last me at least 5 years, since Apple tends to be pretty good about their software longevity. I like android but I wasn’t about to switch to a Samsung because I just don’t like the weird “look we made our own app, now you have two browsers!”

                • @[email protected]
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                  On my five year old XS Max, which runs like a brand new phone with 20k+ photos and every text ive ever gotten since my iPhone 5.

                • nocturne
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                  My longest lasting Android was the moto Z4 i had just before getting my iPhone 14 pro. The Z4 had stopped being updates like two, if not 3 years prior to the switch. And when it did get a security update it was from 9 months prior or something. I used to do the custom ROM and flash daily-weekly, but then someone stops updating your ROM and you have to find another, to me apple has been a great switch. Again, just miss Gboard.

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                Wild. I switched to an iPhone when my partner got one, because I hated all of the Android keyboards I had ever tried (and Swype) felt like garbage to me. I came from an OG HTC Dream, the first-ass Android phone and had physical keyboards all the way up until typing on their iPhone 4s. Ever since then, I’ve hated touchscreen keyboards WAY less. It does help to use the gigantic iPhone version too, and set all my dumb shit I say in shortcuts.

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                • nocturne
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                  But the iphone keyboard does not have have numbers and symbols on the keys like Gboard and other Android keyboards. And the Finnish iPhone keyboard does not have swipe typing.

      • Ghostalmedia
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        Exactly. Most of the comments here are not from people daily driving these experiences.

        I feel like most people here are just sliding in from c/all

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          I also worked in software QA with iOS devices for 4 years. Does that make my opinion more “legitimate”?

          iOS is like using an operating system with parental controls and it sucks ass.

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            Yeah, that’s more experience than occasionally using your partner’s phone. That said, when I QA my apps on a test phone, I tend to use it very differently than if it was out and about with the phone. I’m primarily staying within the confines of the software I’m developing.

            Maybe you’re different, but I’m usually not downloading apps and spending hours on the phone outside of the stuff I’m pushing.

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              When I was doing that I often had to get screenshots/videos that I needed to report the issues and sharing files in iOS sucks if you’re not using their ecosystem. We’re in 2024 and you can’t just plug your iphone to a usb port and just view the damn files on the thing.

              They’ve been doing scummy stuff since forever. Like when the iPod touch 2nd gen had Bluetooth but you could only use it for the retarded Nike+ features some shoes had back then. It was inaccesible if you wanted to share files for example. Back then it was also a new “feature” when they finally decided to let people use a custom wallpaper.

              Seriously, Apple is a like the capitalist equivalent of a toxic relationship. Maybe this video better illustrates my point.

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                You can import photos directly, over USB, via the stock photos apps in Windows or MacOS.

                On Windows: Start > photos > import > from a usb device

                My point remains, a lot of the comments here are people that seems to be ranting about something that they don’t spend much time with at all, and according to this community’s name, this is apparently a user group of “apple enthusiasts.”

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                  You do realize that you’re telling me to use an “app” when it would be a lot easier if it just showed up as an external drive in the file explorer, right? Not to mention that media is just an example. What if I want to use it as a thumbdrive for random files? It’s very stupid limitation and there’s no way to justify it.

                  this is apparently a user group of “apple enthusiasts.”

                  enthusiast =/= blind

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    So now they can do something that nearly every Android home screen installable can do.

  • @dual_sport_dork
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    Wow, I’m glad Apple engineers finally figured out how to invent this feature. I can’t wait to be told at a keynote how bold, innovative, and courageous this is.

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    I’ll believe it when i see it

  • @Shadywack
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    iOS lookin more like Android with each release.

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      And as a developer android is looking more and more like iOS as it becomes more restricted on what you can do.

      The two are converging

      Source: literally spending my day today dealing with every more restrictive APIs on newer Android versions

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        yea, i get a lot of these changes and lock downs suck, but i can also see why they are needed from a security stand point. Proper sand boxing, requiring permission to access to camera and microphone, ect all seem like good changes.

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          One of the ones I’m working on today I’m actually exempted from being disallowed its use, although it does still require some changes.

          I’m still dreading the moment I submit the app though and their AI declares I don’t meet the requirements, and I go into the doom pit of their non existent support.

          At least on Apple it’s possible to interact with a human pretty easily.

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    They’re getting this now? I could do that on my old LG G5.

    • @HauntedCupcake
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      G5? This has been thing since I got my Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini in 2010