• @jordanlundM
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    Take it with a grain of salt since the description is coming from an MSNBC host.

    But she’s right in that, when it comes to deciding sentencing, this will not do him any favors.

    Maximum sentence is 4 years per count +$5,000 fine.

    So he’ll likely get multiple 4 year sentences, served concurrently, and $5K x 34… $170,000 fine.

    • @Ensign_Crab
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      He’ll never see the inside of a cell. The legal system protects shit like him.

      • @disguy_ovahea
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        They’re also a nonviolent class E felonies. I’d love to see him behind bars, but there’s no reason to expect a prison sentence. It’s possible, but not probable.

    • FuglyDuck
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      Pipe dreams. It’s extremely rare for prison sentences to be imposed for white collar, non-violent e felonies like this.

      Merchan isn’t going to impose a shit load of time just because people want it- that would pretty quickly get over turned by higher courts.

      Most likely the best we can hope for is house arrest; the only reason we have a hope of jail time at all is that trumps behavior during and leading up to the trial (inciting his mob to threaten violence, refusal to abide gag orders.)

      In some regards the house arrest might be politically the best for Trump. He can still broadcast his stupidity.

      • @jordanlundM
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        Again, look at the other people involved. Cohen got 3 years for his part in it, Alan Weisselberg, while not convicted for this, got 5 months for his role in another Trump ordered scheme.

        So, yeah, it does happen for white collar crime. When you consider 34 counts and his lack of contrition, I can see the Judge hitting him with the max, which, granted, is only 4 years.

        • @elliot_crane
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          I’m being cautiously optimistic here, but I have to admit prison time is probably a long shot. Justice Merchan didn’t want to jail him on his ten instances of contempt, and I can understand wanting to avoid politicizing an already unprecedented trial and handing the defense reason for appeal. Given convicted felon Donald Trump’s behavior however, my personal prediction is something like house arrest and possibly a supervised release schedule. Total bullshit, but I do think Merchan has been playing the long game so that whatever sentence he hands down is airtight and holds up under appeal.

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      A part of me hopes they fine him $130k. Fining him the exact amount he paid Stormy Daniels somehow feels like an even bigger “fuck you” than the maximum possible financial penalty.

      • @Botzo
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        So with the inflation adjustment, that looks like … 172k today!

      • @takeda
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        No, that won’t do any rehabilitation. It needs to be jailed or maybe cleaning the highway.

        • @[email protected]
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          He would surely rather die than rehabilitate, and frankly probably won’t have much choice in the matter given his age and condition, even if he were willing to try.

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      4 years, one for each year he was president.

      EDIT: begin the “four more years!” chanting

    • @[email protected]
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      An analysis I read said NY almost never imprisons a first time fraud offender. If true then it’s pretty unlikely he will be imprisoned at all.

      • Stern
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        On one hand you’re right about first time offenders, but on the other he’s made it clear monetary fines don’t dissuade him (e.g. the ten he got for his truth social attacks on the judge and co.) which could in turn influence the decision regarding jailtime.

      • @jordanlundM
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        Cohen was a first time offender and did 3 years for the same crime.

        • FuglyDuck
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          This is patently untruthful.

          First, Cohen’s conviction was federal. Trumps are state.

          Second. Trump is convicted of fraudulent business records. Cohen was convicted of lying to a financial institution, tax fraud, unlawful corpo contributions, and excessive campaign contributions. (Source)

        • @[email protected]
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          Not the same crime, the same crime plus tax evasion and making false statements to a federally-insured bank.

        • @[email protected]
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          That’s true. I guess it will come down to the details. Though will be interesting to see if the feasibility of actually sending Trump to prison (and protecting him, without 24/7 solitary confinement) weighs into it.

          • @jordanlundM
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            Put him in a jail cell, post Secret Service outside the door. Problem solved. :)

            I know, I know, it’s not that simple. Some poor bastard is going to have to make sure he doesn’t drop the soap in the shower.

            But if Martha Stewart was kept safe, they can do it for Trump.

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      I believe the maximum total is 4 years, not cumulative. And given that it’s his first conviction, and he has a campaign to run, the chance he’ll spend any time in jail at all is slim.

      *edit: OP mentioned concurrently, so they said the same thing. Reading comprehension at 8 AM not booted up yet.

  • @kikutwo
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    Convicted felon Trump?

  • @xantoxis
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    514 months ago

    Four years ago he was a deranged fascist with limited mental faculties. I don’t think that dial has really moved.

    • @Feathercrown
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      Somehow he has actually gotten worse mentally

      • @pyre
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        somehow? you mean like taking a very old demented person and adding four years?

    • @ChowJeeBai
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      Well, he’s now also a convicted felon.

  • @Ensign_Crab
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    474 months ago

    He looks like the Hamburglar chose the wrong grail.

  • @unreasonabro
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    284 months ago

    He was only ever a shadow of what you thought he was, that’s been the whole point the entire time, you are chasing shadows

    • @Etterra
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      Now he’s less more like a lighting artifact that stupid people think is a UFO.

  • @Potatos_are_not_friends
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    A shadow of what he was 4 years ago?

    So a steaming pile of shit is now… Like dried turd?

  • @[email protected]
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    Four years ago?

    I can’t tell the difference between his insane statements today, and his insane statements from 8+ years ago.

  • @Jimmycakes
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    Dude is on so many drugs. It’s like that episode of Simpsons when mr burns sees the doctor and the doctor tries to push a bunch of plushies through the door

  • @arin
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    24 months ago

    Less of a crazy dictator wannabe? Less of a Putin pleaser?

    • @Xeroxchasechase
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      That’s the power of cult of personality, and the weird idea of being dependant on a few “swing states”.

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        Hillary didn’t lose because of a cult of personality or a few swing states, she was just simply a shit candidate.

        If you’re worried about losing to Trump, then get your own candidate that’s not senile.

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          Hillary didn’t lose because of a cult of personality or a few swing states, she was just simply a shit candidate.

          She had decades of accumulated hatred from Republicans. She had resentment from Obama Democrats regarding her behavior in the 2008 primaries. She had greater resentment from Sanders Democrats because of the way party leadership favored her in the 2016 primaries. She coupled that with a VP nominee that was to her right, as a slap to the face of progressives she had done her best to alienate. Then she didn’t campaign in key swing states that she went on to lose.

          What I’m saying here is that she was not simply a shit candidate. Her shittiness was remarkable for its complexity.

        • @jordanlundM
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          It might not be fair to call her a shit candidate, on paper she was a very good candidate, but her personality and willingness to take Michigan and Wisconsin for granted doomed her.

          Anyone else with her credentials could have won.

          • @lennybird
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            Likability has to be the most important characteristic to electability. JFK, Reagan, “I’d have a beer with Bush Jr.,” Obama, etc… It’s pretty much the “trump card” if you have it to any election; and Unlikability guarantees you’re doomed.

            If we had someone half-ways likeable; half-ways young… Well, that would basically be a trump card, dare I say. Harris isn’t it.

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              Unlikability guarantees you’re doomed.

              Uh Nixon? George HW Bush? Nobody actually liked them.

              FDR was a spoiled rich kid who married his cousin and couldn’t even stand up on his own. He was elected 4 times because Hoover and the Republicans couldn’t fix the Great Depression. Don’t underestimate the power of one party fucking up their own chances.

        • @enbyecho
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          Give me a fucking break. Hillary was not a shit candidate. She’s arguably the most qualified candidate in recent elections, probably more so than Obama. And I don’t say that as someone who agrees with most of her policies but as someone who respects her intelligence and experience. She would have made an excellent president.

          Leaving aside our broken system, she lost because she is a woman and a lot of people can’t stand that.

        • @kikutwo
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          Ok Master Lock 🔐

        • Lexi Sneptaur
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          Hillary and Biden are both pretty decent candidates. They both seem to have poor electoral strategy though. Its so bad it almost seems by design