I’m as critical of the US as anyone but if I have to pick one to spy on me, I’ll pick the US.
Yes both are bad. Don’t start going “but America” on me please lol. This is not me saying the US isn’t violating our civil liberties regularly. But we do have more here than Chinese citizens do. Also, China has an adversarial stance to the US so there’s another layer to it. Same reason I object to Russia interfering with elections and also don’t like what our own domestic media operations do. Both are bad, but Russia is objectively worse.
But for real folks don’t download TikTok regardless of who holds the reins.
I’d disagree because as an American the US government has a lot more impact on me than the Chinese
But it’s not either/or. It’s the US and ___
Why should you have to pick though?
Because we live in reality and there’s no such thing as a perfect state
Thats a weird angle.
My thing is, advocating for JUST tiktok to be banned when the American companies are doing the same thing makes zero sense.
So again, why pick? Choose freedom.
So again, why pick? Choose freedom.
Ok, I’ve chosen freedom. Now what happens
Be a leader
So no real tangible advice then, right? Just telling people on the Internet they’re not doing enough? Got it, thanks
You need someone to tell you what to do?
choose freedom
Does this make the surveillance disappear today? What does this mean?
It means anyone picking a “side” in the US vs Tiktok debate should reconsider their position (imo anyways)
I didn’t pick aside. I don’t use TikTok and I don’t care who owns it. But I live in the US, theoretically I would rather one entity spying on me than two lol
Why not zero? Aim higher fam, people let themselves be surveilled too easily these days without any resistance
reality
Weird angle
You okay bro?
Because that’s the way it is. My dislike of it is immaterial. It’s the current state of affairs today, June 4th, 2024.
It’s also why I said “if I have to pick.” Whenever these discussions come up people act like that’s an endorsement. No amount of qualifiers prevents this interpretation.
But what are the Chinese going to be able to do you? If you are an American living under the American government theres much more they could do to you, such as locking you up.
Have you seen what Russia has been doing to us with a few basement bloggers?
That is a strange question. If you use any service to consume media, the service has a huge influence on what information you receive. It is a common complaint over media. Using a service which is under control of someone who doesn’t have your best interest in mind, is giving power over your media consumption to that actor. Which is bad. That is why you should care about who e.h. owns and controls the Washington Post.
Now, about TikTok… Well think about it.
Ok, but you know there’s a difference, right? One is prohibiting journalists from writing stories critical of the state, and the other is probibiting a foreign state from owning a communication platform. Those things are obviously not the same, and if you’re insisting that they are, one can only conclude that your motivations are insincere and your arguments serve an agenda.
Chinese journalists are entirely free to come to America and report on the worst atrocities the US has ever committed. Visitors to China aren’t allowed to mention the Tiananman Square massacre. Like at all. Forget publishing an article, police will question you if you take too many pictures in the square.
Solid argument. I was agreeing with OP coz I have a tendency for extremism, and if you take banning tiktok as a starting point in the supposed “land of the free” , to the extreme, at some point you become like China too. But for now, they are far from there. I still disagree with banning TikTok; “practice what you preach”
Oh, I think banning TikTok is stupid and little more than political theater by out of touch septuagenarian oligarchs. And I agree that the same idiots would march us all down a path towards fascism, if we go along willingly.
I just take exception to the idea that they are in any way relatable.
One thing to note is that a lot of US citizens do not even acknowledge that their country’s economy runs off of war; it’s like they don’t need to go “deny Tiananmen Square”; they just go full idiocracy. Also they mostly kill non-US citizens, so again, not the perfect analogy but it’s like: we don’t need to deny anything, we just make the avg Joe dumb enough to not even care.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but again that’s not at all the same as totalitarianism. We can fight that with words, with education, with non-violence. It’s iterative, and we can course-correct as we progress into the future. It’s messy, and often goes in the wrong direction, but it’s still ours.
That’s about right
It’s always the same bullshit when they want to take away your rights:
- “Protect the children”
- “Foreign influence” or “spies”
- “Misinformation”
- “Stop Terrorism”
Your right to own a social media app?
