Speaking at a news conference in Doha, Qatar, alongside Qatar’s prime minister and minister of foreign affairs, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, Mr. Blinken said that “a deal was on the table that was virtually identical” to one that Hamas put forward on May 6.

At some point, he said, “you have to question whether they’re proceeding in good faith or not.”

  • @givesomefucks
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    Fuck Blinken and fuck the NYT

    Fuck anyone that gives speeches at AIPAC and expects us to believe they’re not bought off already

    https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-the-2023-american-israel-public-affairs-committee-policy-summit/

    Now, I have to admit – (applause) – thank you. As I was talking with Michael and Howard and the other senior leadership of AIPAC a moment ago, I said my lifelong ambition has already been fulfilled by AIPAC because a few years ago – some of you may have been there – I got to appear in the Dallas Cowboys football stadium on a jumbotron. (Laughter.) Never thought that would happen. It’s thanks to you.

    Motherfuckers don’t even try to deny that they’ve been bought off.

    If you’re mad conservatives buy off SC justices with trips and bribes, then you should be pissed off when other high level government officials are bought off.

    And AIPAC buys a shit ton of government officials, regardless of party or anything else.

    They just require complete dedication to Israel over everything else

      • @givesomefucks
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        What?

        I agree with that (except calling this genocide a war).

        Israel started it decades ago, and openly keep saying they won’t let it end until their genocide is finished.

        They don’t want it to end yet, because there’s still Palestinians alive in Gaza.

        • @[email protected]
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          Israel started it? Who was it that invaded the day after the British protectorate ended? Oh right, not Israel. Instead they got invaded by all of the neighbouring arab countries who didn’t like the UN approved borders.

          • @givesomefucks
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            the day after the British protectorate ended?

            That’s a weird place to start the clock…

            Like, you understand that wasn’t that long after that land was all Palestine and the people who had lived there for generations had just been forced out with violence?

            That’s like if you robbed someone but instead of leaving you just stayed in their house and made them live in the backyard for months while threatening them at gunpoint…

            Then one day you sold the gun.

            Would you be surprised the family took the opportunity to get their house back?

            What do you expect that family to do if your brother was the Sheriff and the cops took your side?

            • @[email protected]
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              What other starting point makes sense?

              Jewish people had been there just as long as the Muslim population, they both have 1000+ year histories in that region.

              The Ottoman empire (which controlled the region and a lot more) collapsed after WW1 due to a myriad of reasons, including losing the war. It was split up among some of the allied countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

              Because that’s what happens when you lose a war.

              If we’re talking about returning land that changed hands during/after WW1, there’s going to be about a thousand more border changes than just for Israel. Massive swaths of Europe changed hands over that period.

              Specifically, if you want Israel to hand land back, does that mean that Finland needs to be handed back to the Russians? They owned the country (and a bunch of other countries) prior to the end of WW1.

            • @[email protected]
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              There hasn’t been a sovereign and native state on that land since the Roman conquest of Judea lmfao

              • @[email protected]
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                Nope, but there has been a native population, blood thirsty colonizer.

                The land wasn’t empty. You don’t get to pretend it was.

                • @[email protected]
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                  So your position is that it’s more legitimate for someone to live there because their ancestors moved there under the Ottomans rather than people whose ancestors lived there before the Romans and moved back under the British?

                  I don’t give a fuck about any of that. What I care about is that the Jewish militias were happy to accept sharing the land with a Palestinian state, while the Palestinians decided that any possible Israeli state was unacceptable and declared war.

                  The entire conflict stems from their inability to accept peaceful coexistence.

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            Says the individual trying to circumspectly justify genocide.

            Any government intentionally withholding food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers undesirable is a government intentionally committing genocide.

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              Says the individual trying to pretend that this is a genocide and blaming the defender for the war lol

              TIL allowing thousands of calories of food aid in per person per day is “withholding food”

              Words don’t mean anything any more. Up is down, black is white, and feeding civilians is genocide

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                Controlling the borders and allowing in thousands of calories when hundreds of thousands or millions of calories are needed for the population is in fact genocide.

                It’s not hard to understand unless you’re intentionally trying to justify genocide.

                Most genocidaires in history don’t stop food completely, but let in a minimal amount of food to encourage infighting.

                • @[email protected]
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                  One person does not mean millions of calories per day, they need thousands. I believe the total food aid allowed into Gaza is around 3000 calories per person per day.

                  GeNoCiDe

  • @[email protected]
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    What are the specific demands Hamas has made that Blinken finds unacceptable?

    According to the reports, Secretary of State Antony Blinken finds some of Hamas’s latest demands regarding the proposed cease-fire agreement unacceptable, though the specific demands are not explicitly stated. However, we can infer a few key sticking points from the information provided:

    1. Hamas insists on a permanent cease-fire and complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza before releasing the remaining hostages, while Israel aims to dismantle Hamas’s military capabilities first.[1]

    2. Hamas fears that if it releases hostages during the initial six-week phase of the plan, Israel may resume hostilities once its most vulnerable captives are released.[1]

    3. Hamas has rejected key elements of the UN-backed truce deal that Israel had previously agreed to.[5][3]

    4. Hamas demands an end to the ongoing Israeli aggression and siege on Gaza as a precondition for entering into negotiations for a “complete agreement” that includes a comprehensive prisoner exchange deal.[5]

    So while the specific unacceptable demands are not explicitly stated, Blinken seems to take issue with Hamas’s insistence on permanent concessions upfront before any phased implementation, as well as their rejection of elements already agreed upon in the proposed deal.[1][3][5]

    Citations: [1] Hamas Made Unacceptable Changes to Cease-Fire Plan, Blinken … https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000009517335/blinken-gaza-israel-hamas-cease-fire.html [2] Blinken Casts Doubt on Cease-Fire Hopes After Hamas Responds https://www.bloomberg.com/tosv2.html?url=L25ld3MvYXJ0aWNsZXMvMjAyNC0wNi0xMi9ibGlua2VuLXNheXMtaGFtYXMtcy1jZWFzZS1maXJlLXJlc3BvbnNlLW1lYW5zLXdhci13aWxsLWNvbnRpbnVl&uuid=142470c8-28be-11ef-b9fe-c854ea576c23 [3] Hamas response to peace deal unworkable, warns Blinken https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/12/hamas-response-to-peace-deal-unworkable-warns-blinken/ [4] Blinken Says Hamas’s Cease-Fire Response Means War Will … https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/blinken-says-hamas-s-cease-fire-response-means-war-will-continue-1.2084228 [5] Hamas says it will not enter negotiations unless Israel stops war on … https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/30/hamas-says-it-will-not-enter-negotiations-unless-israel-stops-war-on-gaza

    • @fukhueson
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      Including the resolution text:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2735

      The Security Council,

      Reaffirming the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

      Recalling all its relevant resolutions on the situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian question,

      Underscoring the importance of the ongoing diplomatic efforts by Egypt, Qatar, and the United States aimed at reaching a comprehensive ceasefire deal, consisting of three phases,

      1. Welcomes the new ceasefire proposal announced on May 31, which Israel accepted, calls upon Hamas to also accept it, and urges both parties to fully implement its terms without delay and without condition;
      1. Notes that the implementation of this proposal would enable the following outcomes to spread over three phases:

      (a) Phase 1: an immediate, full, and complete ceasefire with the release of hostages including women, the elderly and the wounded, the return of the remains of some hostages who have been killed, the exchange of Palestinian prisoners, withdrawal of Israeli forces from the populated areas in Gaza, the return of Palestinian civilians to their homes and neighborhoods in all areas of Gaza, including in the north, as well as the safe and effective distribution of humanitarian assistance at scale throughout the Gaza Strip to all Palestinian civilians who need it, including housing units delivered by the international community;

      (b) Phase 2: upon agreement of the parties, a permanent end to hostilities, in exchange for the release of all other hostages still in Gaza, and a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; and

      © Phase 3: the start of a major multi-year reconstruction plan for Gaza and the return of the remains of any deceased hostages still in Gaza to their families;

      1. Underlines that the proposal says if the negotiations take longer than six weeks for phase one, the ceasefire will still continue as long as negotiations continue, and welcomes the readiness of the United States, Egypt, and Qatar to work to ensure negotiations keep going until all the agreements are reached and phase two is able to begin;
      1. Stresses the importance of the parties adhering to the terms of this proposal once agreed and calls upon all Member States and the United Nations to support its implementation;
      1. Rejects any attempt at demographic or territorial change in the Gaza Strip, including any actions that reduce the territory of Gaza;
      1. Reiterates its unwavering commitment to the vision of the two-State solution where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace within secure and recognized borders, consistent with international law and relevant UN resolutions, and in this regard stresses the importance of unifying the Gaza Strip with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority;
      1. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
  • @mlg
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    Permanent vs temporary ceasefire isn’t virtually identical lmao.

  • Wild Bill
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    I’m sure it’s all terrible. That being said, Blinken in the thumbnail looks esoterically scrumptious.

  • @gedaliyahOPM
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    I genuinely don’t understand what Hamas gains by continuing this conflict.

    • @givesomefucks
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      Really?

      You know the human rights abuses and land grabbing happened prior to 10/7, right?

      And they want the permanent ceasefire so that it finally stops.

      If it’s not an internationally recognized permanent ceasefire, Israel is going right back to what they were doing prior to 10/7.

      Anything else is just Hamas giving up every bargaining chip they have for no gain…

      • @FlowVoid
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        There is a permanent ceasefire in the plan that Hamas rejected.

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            Did you read the article? We are here talking about the most promising permanent ceasefire, supported by Egypt, Qatar, USA, and the UN, which Israel has not ruled out. Hamas is now drastically changing the terms to sabotage the ceasefire. It makes no sense to me. They seem to have the most to gain by ending this conflict.

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              Did you read it?

              But Hamas officials rejected his claim that they had made any changes to their previous stance in May and reiterated their accusation that Israel was blocking a deal. Osama Hamdan, Hamas’s representative in Lebanon, accused the top U.S. diplomat of seeing “things through an Israel lens.”

              The cease-fire proposal would halt the fighting in Gaza immediately, and, after the release of some Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, begin talks that could lead to a much longer or even permanent cease-fire and an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. Qatar and Egypt have acted as intermediaries between Israel and Hamas, which do not communicate directly with each other.

              Basem Naim, a Hamas spokesman, said on Wednesday that Hamas’s position remains that the deal must include guarantees of a permanent cease-fire and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, among other demands.

              “This new offer includes no changes to our previous response to the offer submitted last May,” he said.

    • @blahsay
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      They literally told us the other day. Palestinian deaths help hamas. The leader was all for it

    • @[email protected]
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      Always ask yourself, “Where’s the money coming from.”

      Hamas is not being funded by Palestinians. Palestinians are broke as fuck.

      Hamas is being funded by neighboring countries, who want to eliminate Israel. The same reason those countries invaded Israel the day after the British protectorate ended.

      • @givesomefucks
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        Hamas is being funded by neighboring countries

        Cough

        For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

        During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

        Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

        Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

        Cough cough

        Mr Levy - who was head of economic warfare in the Mossad, Israel’s spy agency, until 2016 - says he told Mr Netanyahu many times that Israel had the means to crush Hamas, which controls Gaza, “by using only financial tools”.

        Mr Levy says he never got a response to his proposal from Mr Netanyahu. When asked if he considered there was a connection between Mr Netanyahu’s alleged reluctance to deal with Hamas’s finances and the 7 October attack, Mr Levy is unequivocal.

        “Yes, of course,” he says. “There is a very good chance that… we would [have] prevent[ed] a lot of the money” that had gone into Gaza, and that “the monster that Hamas built probably [wouldn’t be] like the same monster that we faced on October 7th.”

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68318856

        • @[email protected]
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          That’s still “funded by neighboring countries”

          The weapons Hamas is using were also smuggled in from neighboring countries as well. It’s not like they bought them from the US or Israel.

          • @[email protected]
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            Thanks for the link, it’s important info. It seems like voting was interfered with, though. If you’re wondering why the implementation looks nothing like the partition plan, it’s because

            Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

            To be precise, Israel declared independence a day before the British Mandate was over (under a portrait of Theodor Herzl), then proceeded to expel the Palestinians en masse. They also used chemical and biological warfare in their pogroms against Palestinians to steal their land.

            What you believe is a fairy tale. You need to wake up because that fairy tale negates historical fact, human rights, and the rule of international law.

          • @[email protected]
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            To be precise, Israel declared independence a day before the British Mandate was over (under a portrait of Theodor Herzl), then proceeded to expel the Palestinians en masse. They also used chemical and biological warfare in their pogroms against Palestinians to steal their land.

            Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewed the acceptance of the [U.N. Partition plan for Mandatory Palestine] as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

            What you believe is a fairy tale. You need to wake up because that fairy tale negates historical fact, human rights, and the rule of international law.

    • @[email protected]
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      The answer is that the more death and suffering they can cause to civilian Palestinians, the more they can drive a cultural wedge between Israel and the Arab nations. Their end goal here is to get a friendly government in, say, Egypt and then win a war to conquer Israel with that foreign support.

      • @[email protected]
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        Riiight. I think your hat is on way too tight.

        Might want to crawl up from that nationalist hole and take a breath of fresh air.

        • @[email protected]
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          I think your hat is on way too tight.

          Thank you, I have been looking for this phrasing for a long time. As someone who rejects violence it’s very difficult to find the words to tell someone that the reason they incorrectly think something is a certain way is because they are stupid. Just mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, shit-slinging dolts.

          It seems to me there has recently been an influx of users who have their hats on way too tight.

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              Okie dokie I guess

              That’s still what Hamas says their goals are lol

              It’s why they started this war. They wanted to head off Saudi normalization of relations with Israel

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        The wedge is already there, has been since the start. Our leaders are puppets, however, so it doesn’t matter.

        • @[email protected]
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          Arab leaders are smart enough to know that attacking Israel would either lead to defeat or nuclear annihilation, and so, seek peace. Regardless of the wishes of the populace.