I’d prefer the cryptkeeper surgeon who is at least trying, as opposed to the orange ghoul who is there to harvest your organs for some spare change.
The problem lies with the hospital which allowed those to be the only options to begin with.
I for one would prefer to have my appendix removed by a competent surgeon just over 35 y.o., but until hospital staff management gets their shit together, there isn’t a whole lot one can do.
this all the way. I have very vocally stated there needs to be an age ceiling on positions, there is age floors, there is zero reasons not to have an age ceiling.
My current job has an age ceiling of 70 years, and I have very limited authority when it comes to deployment of nuclear tech.
Voting Biden. Fuck all these takes. I’ll never vote R again and I’ll always vote. You old bastards die mad at the world.
Many of these folks are still going to hold their nose and vote for Biden. A lot of these takes are valid criticisms without necessarily meaning they aren’t voting for him. Hating every candidate and voting for one anyway is a long standing tradition here in Canada.
THEN OFFER A SOLUTION. GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
FFS I am so tired of this. It’s a critique with no idea what to do instead.
Here are the 4 options
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Vote Trump
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Vote Biden
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Vote 3rd party/independent/write-in
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Don’t vote
What do any of these critiques do to change this? Are they saying to not vote Biden and do one of the alternative 3 options? What’s the end goal here?
THEN OFFER A SOLUTION. GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
Replace him at the Convention. The Party’s donors are fucking panicking right now lol
You think people got mad when Hillary Clinton was “selected” at the Democratic Convention after a nationwide series of primary elections and delegates all voted with her as the winner, can you imagine the shitstorm unilaterally picking some other candidate to replace Joe Biden without even the pretense of a primary process?
There was barely the pretense of a primary anyway, no one serious ran against Biden and there weren’t debates and anyone who voted against Biden was screamed at by the entire rest of the Party. People are already pretty mad about that, and then being told “vote for this nursing home patient or the government will kill you” isn’t making it better.
So unilaterally picking someone else will make it… better?
Biden is behind Trump in gd New Jersey, which has been a democratic stronghold since 1988. Biden is unfit for office now and he’s only getting older! How much worse will he be by the next debate? Or by the election? Will he even make it to November??
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender? We had one no-chance tepid foot put forward. That’s it. I bet you can’t even name them without looking it up.
You’re just making shit up now.
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender?
Not what I said. I said anyone who voted against Biden got screamed at. Did you forget?
There was a full primary in 2020 and in modern times incumbent presidents don’t have primaries in their second terms.
The great thing about a lemmy.ml comment is I can just down vote without reading because I know its bullshit.
It’s like I’m back on Reddit 😂
With who? In case you haven’t been paying attention, nobody polls better than Biden. The majority of voters are mush-brained dipshits who operate off name recognition and vague feelings.
Yeah, because he’s the only one actually campaigning. That has an impact on polls!
You’re dodging my question. With who?
As I said elsewhere, I heard an interesting idea on DemocracyNow
I was trying to lay out a process that would create an organized and very democratic and transparent process to choose a new nominee. It would basically compress the primary process into a month.
There are 400-plus members of the Democratic National Committee. It would convene, nominations would be open, and we would get a requirement that anyone who wanted to be nominated for president or run in this primary would have to have the signature of 40 sitting members of the Democratic National Committee, including at least four from each of the four regions of the party. Now, since there’s only 400-plus members, very few people could actually do that. It would be people that we know. It would be Governor Whitmer, it would be Cory Booker, it would be Kamala Harris and Governor Newsom and Governor Pritzker and maybe Governor Shapiro from Pennsylvania — people who already have a constituency and have states with members, enough members on the DNC that they would be able to get the required 40 in a week’s time.
Then they would begin to campaign. They’d be certified by the secretary as legitimate nominees. They would show they have a national base of support among elected Democratic Party officials. And then the party would organize a couple of town halls, televised town halls, where the candidates would appear. We’d go to the convention, and it would be like the convention of 1960, where it would be wall-to-wall campaigning for delegates, the elected delegates, most of whom are Biden delegates. He would release them.
And it would be pretty exciting. The networks, the media would cover it wall to wall, as opposed to the way they cover these scripted conventions now, which maybe give it an hour or two each night. We’d have nominations from the floor. We’d have the speeches given. We’d have the horse trading taking place between state delegations. And an eventual nominee would be elected, probably after more than one ballot. But people would leave the convention with the new nominee energized, with wind in that nominee’s sails.
The question of “with who” would be answered by an exciting democratic process that would energize the Party for the election.
If anything, the person you’re responding to is advocating for voting for Biden. (They stated they live in Canada, so I’d imagine they won’t be voting for Biden themselves.)
Are you misunderstanding, responding to folks who are planning not to vote for Biden (who aren’t even mentioned in the post you’re responding to), or arguing it’s not ok to voice criticisms of Biden at all (regardless of whether one plans to vote for him or not)?
Again, your narrative is dependent on this false premise you’ve set up that Biden “has” to be the nominee.
I’d love to know what we citizens can do to convince the DNC to stop nominating these out-of-touch antiques for candidates?
I’m serious. Because until we get the DNC to change their behavior, this same shit is going to continue to happen.
There’s a reason why the likes of Bernie Sanders and AOC don’t get nominated. It’s because they won’t toe the line of what the DNC wants.
And voting third party does no good. It’s a losing choice that only helps the republicans; because any vote that is not for the D is a vote for an R.
Third parties do not get fair treatment during elections, so they do not get the same exposure. And everyone knows it’s all about the exposure you get. Mostly through adverts, mailers, phone calls, etc… But also TV airtime, news articles, debates, and so on.
Yeah it’s unfair and it’s bullshit and woulda shoulda coulda. Make all the excuses you want; shit ain’t changing until this duopoly is changed. And right now, they’ve got their heads so far up their asses that they can lick their own uvulas.
So how do we change that? Seriously. Legitimately. Realistically.
Because not voting for Biden is the same as voting for Trump, and goddamnit we cannot survive another term with that poor excuse for a human being.
Because not voting for
Bidenthe Democratic nominee is the same as voting for Trump, and goddamnit we cannot survive another term with that poor excuse for a human being.Ftfy.
As of today those are the options. If it changes then great. But whining on lemmy and calling it a “critique” isn’t going to make that happen.
Well you aren’t living in a fact based reality then.
Last I checked Biden was the presumptive nominee. If somebody else is the nominee, I will probably vote for them. I don’t understand the issue here.
Well he’s not the nominee then is he?
The issue is that their shithead Kremlin boss told them “make Biden look bad”
Your script is pretty tight now
AOC… There now you have an alternative. No one can prevent Dems from losing but Biden. He has to step aside. Otherwise Trump is going to get elected.
AOC isn’t old enough to run for president.
like, seriously. there’s only 3 rules to be president, and two of them are “born in the usa or you were around before the usa existed”. The other is “be 35+”
jfc. you people. 🤦♂️
AOC will be 35 in time. She is able to be President and you would know that has you done any basic research on the issue instead of spewing misinformation for whatever reason.
So you are worried that Biden is going to lose and want to run a candidate that will win… And your first suggestion is AOC ~4mo before the general?
“SPEWING MISINFORMATION.”
jfc. you fucking nutters.
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I’m voting Biden, but I still hate both him and Trump, and I hate that he’s refusing to drop out even though every D voter in the country is begging him to drop out.
The only reason I’m voting for him is because I want to stave off fascism for another 4 years.
I treat an R like 7-up: never have, never will.
For those too young to remember the commercial:
If my choice was between that and the doctor who said “I’ve got this handgun, it’s the best handgun, nobody kills more patients than me”…
Dr. Trump: “To be completely honest with you, I’m really lucky to have this operation. The board was about to submit judgement with serious repercussions to my personal life, but I managed to get in here just in time to dodge all responsibility. Anyways, I don’t actually believe in medicine so I’m gonna let my Office of Management and Budget handle the situation from here.”
Russ Vought: “First of all, every nurse is fired. The Anesthesiologist, too.”
That’s not the point at hand though. You are just making yourself feel better about the shitty candidate that can probably lose anyways because you will have felt safe in your heart that yours was less terrible.
Pathetic, apathetic, and lazy.
At this point i feels like it’s all republican trying to do a psyop telling people not to vote.
Why can’t we just express our disgust with the situation we’re in without being called a psyop? I’m going to vote for Biden. I’m still pissed that this is where we’re at. People were saying he was too old in the primaries before the last election and the Dems still shoved him down our throats and they’re going to do it again. It’s fucking bullshit. At the very least we need a candidate that’s young enough that they’re going to have to live with the consequences of their decsisions
It doesn’t matter if you literally preface every comment you make with “I AM VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO” with these people, every criticism is a psyop to get people to not vote.
You’d think having a candidate that polls like shit would be what makes people not vote for him. But no, it’s actually the fault of the people pointing out he is a bad candidate and that perhaps we should run someone who doesn’t repeatedly shout that “we beat Medicare” in the middle of a fucking debate.
The Democratic establishment fucking loves Trump, the specter of him is a permanent fundraiser and no matter who they trot out or how weak a candidate they are they don’t have to change anything, because the alternative is literally fascism.
These are people that blame the fire alarm going off for starting the fire.
I’m going to vote for Biden.
Then save the issues until we’re sure we still have democracy.
No, you motherfuckers have been telling me to keep my opinions to myself since the last election and I’m sick of it. If he can’t get enough votes to win that’s on the Dems for running him in the first place. Fuck you and fuck them. It’s long past time to stop blaming the fucking republicans for the mess we’re in and actually push back. Maybe if he actually used that power the supreme court just handed him my opinion would change but he’s already admitted he’s too much of a pussy to do anything with it.
Wait until it’s not election year so they can ignore you easier
Stop making such a big deal about civil rights, we want to help but you should do it right
Why would I want to side with climate activists when all they do is block traffic and make my day worse?
MLK Jr was right. The worst people are the ones who are comfortable where they are and want to stop any change they see happening because it might inconvenience their idea of reality. They’ll let the actual enemy win just to make sure they don’t have to hear how they are involved in their own downfall.
You’re describing conservatives. Get on the Dem train if you’re being. Honest with yourself.
Yeah I’m describing white liberals which mostly call themselves Democrats without reaching to their larger voting base of the actual working class.
It’s gone. You ain’t had that in years. The reichstag already happened, yall just catching on 20 years late cause the mask is now longer necessary.
Damn. I thought cultish thought-stopping was something we didn’t really have very far left of (what the U.S. calls) center. Would you like to see Democrats comparing Biden to Jesus like the MAGA crowd does Trump? The day the Democratic party becomes just as much of a cult as the Republican party is the day we have two literally fascist parties to choose between rather than a fascist party and still-a-major-win-for-the-fascists-but-at-least-not-quite-as-bad party.
Unless something completely unexpected (like a third party candidate actually having a chance of winning) happens between now and November, I’m voting blue no matter who in the general election. I think everyone else in the U.S. should as well, and I’ll tell them that. But nobody is served by liberals (and lefties) deluding themselves into thinking our choice is between anything other than two unequal evils.
What’s your reasoning here? Are you hoping that if you and I lie and say Biden’s going to fix everything, it’ll get more people to vote blue than if we tell them to vote for the lesser evil (which, to be clear, is the candidate with the D next to their name)? Because I really think the case could be made that the opposite is true. Or do you really think Biden is a perfect, infallable candidate?
That happened already
Or maybe we are just panicking at the person we can literally tell is unliked by other voters when even the people who will begrudgingly hold our nose at the vote are starting to get disgusted by the smell.
Seriously how hard is it to to not pretend people aren’t struggling swallowing it down and the people ringing alarm bells are just that and not some special person trying to influence others but just don’t want to hit the iceberg because it seemed like it would cost less fuel to just try ramming it and hoping we get lucky.
Fuck me. This is gonna be one of those parts of textbooks where it says infighting led to the party not moving fast enough to face the threat and whichever side makes it out the other side scapegoats the other as being the reason it got so bad.
Correct.
Always has been.
Conservatism is the minority in America, and rarely wins through above average voter turnout, which is why they do everything in their power to gerrymander and disenfranchise voters. That doesn’t change the following facts:
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The “resign” efforts are a campaign spearheaded by the fascist propaganda machine (because they have no platform beyond fascist dictatorship).
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Anyone and anything, from a dementia ward patient to a wet sack of shit, is more qualified and deserving than every 21st C Republican.
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Biden is in noticeable cognitive decline, his debate performance was ridiculous, he probably will not live another 4 years, and isn’t there because he’s the best choice.
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RepublicanKremlin. Pretty fucked that Lemmy swallows it hook, line, and sinker.Has been that for months.
Always has been.
But also the snowflakes that avoid tarnishing their pure souls by avoiding difficult choices altogether. They don’t care if america falls to facism, as long as they can brag about being morally better than you.
Thankfully, normal people still outnumber them.
They need to vote, however.
Oh yes, I’m never going to discourage voting, because that’s dumb and only benefits one side.
Yeah, its sad. They’ll abstain because of righteous indignation, then act horrified when their lack of action has consequences.
Depends… is your other option not a doctor at all, and he hates you, and has openly stated that he hopes you die in the procedure? Those are you current two choices, America. Go with the sleepy one.
It also completely ignores the fact that the sleepy doctor has had a nearly perfect record at the operation. It’s only the other guy that poses any threat.
The guy that helped set up for profit prisons, and made it so youth would be fucked over by non forgiveable loans, and helped setup tax evasion for massive corporations, and actually helped create the framework for dismantling roe v wade saying it went to far, and supported the Iraq war, and supports imperialism, and now can barely talk or respond coherently… Has “a nearly perfect record” ???
Sure.
As far as centrists are concerned, that’s a stellar record.
It’s not “either Biden or Trump”, just have the Democrats present Kamala or Buttigieg or whoever. Polls already point as alternatives to Biden as more likely to beat Trump, and chances are that Biden keeps screwing it up during the following months.
Hey, of the DNC pulls the trigger and runs Kamala or Bootygreg or some other younger Dem…well, I am voting AGAINST P2025, so I don’t care…but I am not voting third party and spoiling the vote because “old man old”…his crew is competent and doing good things. Shitz have him take Kami or Bootyjudge as VP and just bow out after the race…again don’t care.
I’m not saying “Don’t vote Democrat if their candidate is Biden”, I’m saying “there’s a fuckton of low-information voters who are unlikely to vote for a guy who clearly displays Biden’s health issues”.
“there’s a fuckton of low-information voters who are unlikely to vote for a guy who clearly displays Biden’s health issues”.
There’s a lot of people who complain but know the reality of the situation and will vote according but low info voters are another issue altogether. People on here don’t realize that.
There’s a lot of people out there who don’t pay nearly the same amount of attention to the news as the people on lemmy do. You have to work around these groups. This is why being likeable is important. These people lack most of the information, many of them don’t even care. You can’t just sit there and scream at them how they’re ruining their own lives. That doesn’t work.
At some point I’m going to assume that half of Lemmy users are solipsists.
I think its pronounced socialist
Especially when there are people like you making these arguments.
Hmm, makes you think…
Blaming the smoke detector beeping for causing the fire.
STFU. You are either an idiot or a Trumper.
The time to talk about alternative leadership was two years ago.
This argument clearly only helps the MAGA movement right now. Which means you are either a total fucking idiot, or a fascist pretending to be a Democrat. (I guess you are a fucking idiot either way).
What’s the point of private American Health Care if I can’t choose my doctor?
Making corporations money, duh.
It’s not like you can pick your doctor either, have to be in network, etc, etc, unless you’re rich enough to afford possibly millions in medical bills
Not mentioning with how hospitals are run now there IS only one doctor per specialty covering 3 county hospitals.
Pretty sure the other doctor would straight up kill me. Hmmm tough choice.
The other guy is actively googling how much different organs sell for on the black market.
And people don’t want him either.
The whataboutism doesn’t make Biden any better it just makes you look petty and unable to move on and try to do something about the issues at hand.
Right? If the other doctor brought in a bunch of fishermen and a stockbroker, and a radio host, and a mime to help with the surgery and said “I saw this on TV once and I am an expert” then started up a chainsaw…I’d worry a little and take the other guy.
I feel it’s more like the other guy is actually a barber who happens to have a meat pastry shop on the floor below his
butcherbarbershop
What a shame that no one can convince either of these doctors to step down for a younger, more capable doctor. Guess we’ll just die.
Yeah he really would, could you imagine. “Ok I’m just going to inject the painkiller… Oh I mean bleach, ah no matter it’ll still clean out any COVID you have”
If only there were hundreds of other doctors that could step in.
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Like, vote Biden, but also encourage the Democrats to put up somebody who has more going for them than “I’m not Trump”. And if they actually do, vote for the new Democrat candidate instead. And while we’re fantasizing, everybody should get free ice cream.
So let’s go with the convicted felon doctor who only saves the patients who donate millions of dollars to him. The hospital fired him but he refused to leave his office.
Edit: also he’s 78 and talks about Hannibal Lecter a lot.
But there is only two people in the country rich enough to pretend to be doctors and the whole country is like: this is normal, and you like the racist one or whatever the other one has to offer.
You can’t do that because in this attempt to manufacture outrage, the convicted felon doctor doesn’t exist.
You see- they can’t help Trump get elected if they include him in their disaster scenarios.
Fucking 👌
why are you both sidesing?
What do you mean? One side is so substantially worse than the other, there’s not even a comparison.
Sure… but if we’re talking about the presidency, it’s more like we’re choosing a Dean of Medicine, rather than the surgeon who’s going to be doing the operation.
Don’t get me wrong, I would prefer not to have to deal with an 81 year old Dean who had some good days and some really bad ones. But, ultimately, the Dean of Medicine’s most important job is hiring good doctors and then delegating to them. It’s a rare occasion when you know ahead of time who the Dean’s team will be… but in this case we’ve seen both options as Dean, and we know that only one of the two is planning to hire Dr. Nick Riviera and Zoidberg.
Gotta love all these anti-Biden straw man posts where we overlook the reality of a thing and substitute in some random bullshit that makes our point for us.
It’s so fun to suspend reality in order to manufacture outrage for others.
I didn’t even have to look to know who posted this, too. It’s like a fulltime job.
Yep. Predictable as a cicada that magically appears every four years to tell everyone why they shouldn’t vote for a democrat and then vanishes into obscurity.
You realize it takes literally 30 seconds to screenshot a tweet and post it here, right?
So, you’re only being paid part-time?
I’m your surgeon now… and I’m tired of pretending I give a rat’s ass about you, plebian.
I don’t give a shit how demented biden gets. fucking Regan showed that you won’t even notice if the support staff step up.
So if the support staff will do everything, why Biden?
Like would you feel comfortable seeing your pilot pound a fifth of whiskey and then snort a couple.lines of coke before walking on the plane?
You do have a co-pilot there anyways…
Like, why not ask for a competent president in addition to the staff?
Especially when half the plane is insisting Jesus will take the wheel and we don’t need pilots and there’s a vote coming?
I don’t trust the support staff the other guy is going to pick.
But it’s not just Biden or trump…
We’re talking about replacing Biden with someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Like, if we run Biden and the polls are right, you know that means trump picks the staff…
Right?
someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Who would that be though?
Literally any Dem not named Hilary Clinton…
I used to include Kamala, but honestly I think she’ll do well enough to beat trump. Her biggest criticism is being a prosecutor, but she’s up against trump, she knows how to handle criminals
It’s not even about who I want to be president. I sure as shit don’t want Kamala. I just want trump less.
If I thought sticking my head in the sand would help beat Trump I would.
I feel better about him than the guy who wants to fly the plane into a skyscraper and who gets to pick a support staff that might help him do that. The airline has terrible staffing policies, but I don’t really get to change them in the 30 minutes before the plane takes off.
You do know you’re in a thread about Biden stepping aside, right?
And the question was:
Why Biden instead of any other Dem
And I’m just getting responses about how Biden is better than trump.
Literally nobody here is disagreeing with that.
You’re just making the case that not even Biden supporters can explain why they think he has to be the nominee. At least not a reason that’s not easily disproven.
You do realize Biden has a staff of over 120 people with roles that include trying to control narratives on social media. I think some of these people are legitimate but I can’t help but think some of them are AI bots or staffers working for Biden trying to manipulate the conversations and discussions.
Biden is toast. The sooner Democrats, bots and staff members realize that the quicker we can energize the party with a different candidate that people actually like and that can engage in unscripted questions and policy discussions while speaking from the heart.
If this was twitter, reddit, or Facebook maybe. Especially if they werent always down voted.
But the chances of that happening on Lemmy is almost zero. It’s just a shit return of investment due to the small userbase and engagement.
It’s honestly what I like best about Lemmy.
Lemmy is where people with actual ideas go. Those capable of thinking outside the box. Government usually tries to stay on top of progressive technology because it is where change is actually happening. Twitter, Reddit, etc. is just a bunch of bots competing with other bots.
The reason is I don’t get to pick who the nominee is at this point.
You missed the part where I said I don’t give a shit.
Let’s compare that to “Dr. Trump” who would tell you people say he’s the best doctor, the best surgeon, the other doctor is a stupid poopy head who can’t golf, then no-show for your lifesaving operation and say only suckers and losers get cancer. But he’d still take your money.
Ok so what?
You can’t get rid of him that’s not the part of the game that we have any control of.
So, so what?
Your response is “don’t talk about the other guy?” You can get rid of him if you vote.
Edit: Ah, you’re one of those Defeatist Democrats. Are you astroturf or for real? Your political comment history amounts to Trump sucks, but Biden and the democrats suck more because that’s the only choice we have. Did I mention that Biden and the democrats suck? Because they do.
Yeah my response is don’t fucking devote all your attention and emotion to how the other dude is worse.
I can’t get rid of him if I vote and yet 75% of the country doesn’t.
You can’t just run a dead fish and keep pointing at the hills saying there is a wolf coming any minute now so buy my dead fish. Eventually people stop believing the kid crying wolf and everyone gets eaten.
Passive tactics that keep you feeling comfortable are just hospice for a democracy you don’t care about anymore. That is on you and your kind for why I feel defeated.
Edit: the Democrats suck because it’s the only part we as a party should have any influence over and they haven’t listened to constituents in a few decades. Democrat voters can’t pick the Republican nominee we can only pick who goes up against them and we haven’t for over 3 elections now.
Deal with the fascist first. Deal with the party after.
That isn’t very hard to figure out.
And how many times will we have to keep dealing with the fascist before realizing dealing with the party will help deal with the fascists?
Cause this won’t end in 4 years if Biden wins he will just be unable to run again.
It seems to be going over your head that doing nothing but kicking the can down the road doesn’t deal with any problem at all.
Ah, see…that’s where you’ve gone wrong. There is no “finish line”. There is no hands-off autopilot for human society. It’s a never-ending slog against all those people who want to game or corrupt the system for their own uses - which is almost always power or money, but often enough just to wreck everything because they want to watch the world burn.
Do you understand that?
There are only temporary victories that are immediately followed by trying to keep building the infrastructure supporting the greater good (as difficult as that can be) against those who want to tear it down by any means necessary.
It doesn’t end.
Oh sorry I didn’t realize you were upper class white liberal who’s plan is do nothing at all because it’s easier.
You are somehow advocating for trying and getting a victory and also not doing anything but accepting things as they are.
So impressed by your own sense of order and doing things “right” that you would be on the side telling protestors asking for equal rights to just wait it out a little longer. You are part of the problem. Not a solution.
Well, you can technically [redacted for legal reasons].
Makes you start to wonder about the logistics of martyrdom.
Well the alternative is a convicted rapist who wants to harvest your organs…
Look I’m from Missouri, I will vote for a dead guy again if I have to. Because the other choice is fascism.
Was it a facist play when the DNC propped up Biden and forced in Kamala even though the base was behind Bernie and Kamala was so bad the she was forced to drop out early in the primaries? How come no one talks about that being facist?
If the dead guy is going to lose and you can pick a live candidate thst supports your platform that will win, will you still run the dead guy and lose?
I’m still willing to hear a viable candidate and how that would work less than half a year before an election. In order for us to have another nominee we have to do something to get someone else to put their name on a ticket. That actions might create a bit of a loophole where any party could run a lame duck candidate in the primary, won, and go on to basically pull that candidate for “cognitive decline”.
What I believe will happen, based on our laws and our history, is w.ell have another Al Gore moment where the vote gets split and we get a Republican as a result. And since right now the Republican is Donald “I touch 13 year Olds” Trump, I’m gonna ask you why a sane person would choose to let Trump become president.
and how that would work less than half a year before an election.
Normal countries don’t have elections that last over half a year. It’s clearly workable everywhere else, and it’s not like the people already voting Biden are going to not vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.
I don’t buy that it would cause confusion or somehow be less viable to change candidates; this isn’t 1880, we have phones and TVs and the internet now. If the candidate changed as little as a month before the election everyone would still know what was going on, even if was a huge pain in the ass to account for in terms of ballots.
"Normal countries don’t have"I’m gonna stop you right there. Because what I am asking is how it works for this election at this time with our constitution, laws, and regulations. Because that is what is pertinent now in the event that he steps down.
As for the bit about them voting for any democrat on the ticket (we know historically that’s not what happens), this is literally what happened with Hilary Clinton. It caused so few people who otherwise might have voted not to vote that we got Donald Trump as president for a first term. It’s not about confusion. It’s about people being disheartened enough to think it doesn’t matter. And believing in the super majority of democrats who will vote so they don’t have to. Because not voting is a form of protest.
People would still know. But the whole reason the media is playing up the age and health of the president currently is to convince people not to vote. And it’s working. There are people in this country who voted for Trump in protest because Bernie Sanders was not ok the ticket.
Because what I am asking is how it works for this election at this time with our constitution, laws, and regulations.
The convention hasn’t even happened! Biden isn’t even officially the candidate yet!
I’m sorry but who the fuck is going to not vote or vote for Trump because Biden isn’t the candidate? Nobody loves the dude.
Why ask him to step down if they can choose someone else. He is the official candidate as voted for in the primary. The primary is over. And if you’re gonna stick your head in the sand and believe that people are going to just vote for whoever they happen to put up as a democrat I’m gonna need you to look back on the 2016 election like I said because we already know this has happened before. If you think it can’t happen again you’re part of the problem.
He is the official candidate as voted for in the primary.
Cool, he’s still not the official candidate because he hasn’t been selected at the convention yet. If you’re going to lecture someone for not knowing how the system works you should at least understand that the primaries don’t actually select the candidate, the convention does.
“We have to run a weak candidate that polls like shit because the last time we did this exact same thing we lost but it’ll work this time” is the real head in the sand stance.
I’m sorry but who the fuck is going to not vote or vote for Trump because Biden isn’t the candidate?
I’m starting to think the answer is “every centrist on lemmy.”
