In recent days the Vice President has quickly ditched some of her boldest initiatives, needlessly making herself look unprincipled.
  • Verdant BananaEnglish
    27•2 months ago

    right wing border policies, no raising the minimum wage, no women’s rights, more police funding, nothing done about the environment, no universal healthcare here we come

    would have motivated a lot of non and undecided voters if Obama and Biden both would have followed through when he campaigned on his progressive platforms but instead the Democrats are redder every election cycle

    • HubertManne
      3•2 months ago

      totes. when I think of those things and where we are now with reagan and bush and clinton and bush and obama and trump and biden. I always think how its from the biden and obama terms. 4sure. and im not going to put /s, oh wait. doh.

    • @Beetschnapps
      -5•2 months ago

      Yea “no women’s rights” based on your opinion not the actual party policy…

      The important thing is that no one votes given your take… right?

      “Motivation” based on them, not your shitty takes?

  • Skeezix
    24•2 months ago

    Yes true. But if she wants to downplay it to get the vote of the centrist and mildly conservative rubes then so be it.

    • @[email protected]English
      20•2 months ago

      It might be a balancing act as it’s important to keep the base energized and actually hit the polls too.

    • @[email protected]
      14•2 months ago

      It makes more sense to adopt policies that are broadly popular than it is to play to “centrists”. (Whoever those are. I’ve met very few people who don’t want healthcare, are against jobs, etc. And the ones I have met are already firmly in the Trump camp, and there’s nothing Harris could do to change that.)

      • Skeezix
        -4•2 months ago

        Centrists like the thought of a fair and equitable society but aren’t eager to have their taxes raised to accomplish it. That’s the attitude that’s ‘broadly popular’. Appeal to them, get elected, then try to get more progressive policy through congress.

        • @return2ozmaOP
          5•2 months ago

          Centrists can F OFF. Grow a spine.

        • @WarlordSdocy
          3•2 months ago

          Even if that’s broadly popular among people who vote in elections. (Which I doubt but lets assume it is). It would be a lot better strategy to push for things that are a bit more radical and actually help people. That’s how you go after the biggest block of disaffected voters who stopped voting or have never voted cause both parties don’t do anything to really help the people.

    • @Eatspancakes84
      -1•2 months ago

      Progressives always say this, and they are unfortunately always wrong. Face it, if you are progressive you won’t sit this election out. If you are centrist you might (or you’ll vote Trump).

      • @[email protected]English
        11•2 months ago

        We really averted disaster electing Hillary Clinton in 2016, didn’t we? It would have been terrible if Trump won, but luckily she dove to the center and it was, as always, a foolproof strategy.

        • @Eatspancakes84
          -1•2 months ago

          The point is that progressives voted for her. The narrative that Bernie-bros stayed home has been debunked several times. Relative to Biden in 2020, she was indeed missing the votes of centrists.

        • wildncrazyguy138
          -7•2 months ago

          Hillary got buttery maled and blue walled.

          She was exceptionally equipped and would have made for a fine president, after all, she was the one who advocated for Obamacare back in the 90s, (which you may know, was actually a republican plan first, back when republicans used to win New England states).

          All that is to say, people like to think Hillary wouldn’t have moved the country to the left, but she most certainly would have. Her public perception may not have been as left as Bernie, and perception absolutely matters (see Joe B). However, like Biden, I think she had such control of the political machinery that she would have been much more effective at putting those plans to action.

          The reason I say all of this is, some our most left leaning policies have been enacted by presidents who were elected from the center (Johnson, Clinton, Biden).

  • @Rapidcreek
    -4•2 months ago

    I’m sure these guys have run for national office, right?