Might be nice if most of those third parties ran for lower offices once in a while too rather just go for the highest rung on the ladder.
You don’t see too many Greens running for state legislature… or even city council. Sure, one or two here or there, but no collective effort. The Libertarians barely have their shit together and yet they still constantly field candidates up and down the ballot.
They’re using the third party for what they were intended for, to run interference on the winning side.
Any third party that’s really serious should be building candidates from the ground up, running in local elections where they could win the small seats and have an influence on policies which reflect their goals. That would not only gain experience for those individuals, it would build awareness of the party itself. Those candidates could then run for nonpartisan state offices, again building awareness and acceptance as well as their experience. Nobody should just be jumping into the Presidential election from some idiotic unrelated background like real estate or reality show hosting or stealing from cancer children or bankrupting their own casino… Oops, my brain went off the rails there, good thing I’m not responsible for anything important.
I’m all about ranked choice voting. Don’t advocate spoiler voting, spend the next four year term working on getting ranked choice voting initiatives off the ground. Also Jill Stein really seems like a Russian plant anyway based on the photo that’s been circulating around so even if we had RCV I wouldn’t be voting for her…
Been saying this every time the subject it brought up. The Green Party is nowhere to be found three years of every four, and even in the election year- they seem to offer a lot of shit with no clear path to actually make it happen.
I think we’re finding out that they’ve always been a spoiler party. They were never meant to actually get elected. Just divide and distract.
And the did this VERY effectively. Just look at lemmy if you want a microcosm of how that shit works.
If they were wanting to make a real difference, we’d see them on local ballots advocating for alternative voting systems like STAR or ranked-choice voting. Like, that should be their #1 priority.
My local Green party does that: https://losangeles.cagreens.org/issues
A comment so nice you made it five times!
I think Nader truly wanted to drive change. But since he’s been gone the party hasn’t done much of anything to be taken seriously.
Exactly. And what is super annoying about this, is that to most people, it’s painfully obvious what they’re up to.
MAGA exists to round up all the full-blown idiots and the Green Party exists to round up all the would-be idiots still on the fence. It’s so incredibly obvious!
And yet there are so many people that think people like Shill Stein have their best interests in mind.
I still think Howie Hawkins was a really good candidate though
They have the same mindset as maga assuming this person who has never actually done anything to help them has their best interests at heart. So frustrating to see that level of cognitive dissonance. Literally impossible to have a conversation with either of those groups.
If they were wanting to make a real difference, we’d see them on local ballots advocating for alternative voting systems like STAR or ranked-choice voting. Like, that should be their #1 priority.
If they were wanting to make a real difference, we’d see them on local ballots advocating for alternative voting systems like STAR or ranked-choice voting. Like, that should be their #1 priority.
If they were wanting to make a real difference, we’d see them on local ballots advocating for alternative voting systems like STAR or ranked-choice voting. Like, that should be their #1 priority.
If they were wanting to make a real difference, we’d see them on local ballots advocating for alternative voting systems like STAR or ranked-choice voting. Like, that should be their #1 priority.
If your third party doesn’t run candidates in local or state elections, it’s not a real political party.
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B-B-B-But Dems bad!1! (/s)
Honestly, third parties are a hard thing to discuss considering the two biggest ones in the US are fundamentally unserious. I still keep an eye on the Working Class Party locally.
Become the change you want to see. Organize. Get some elected to a school board or city council.
This has some real “you’re protesting wrong” vibes.
This comment has some real I dont understand or acknowledge the consequences of my actions, vibes.
Genuinely curious, do you believe wrong ways to protest exist?
The time? When it counts least. The place? Abstract thought.
It most counts in the first 3.5 years…ya know, when there’s time to build enough support to do more than take away votes from the major party you’re nearest
Many Lemmy power users would say that you can’t criticize and protest an incumbent last year here, because there is an election coming up. It always counts, especially if it’s inconvenient. You might have had to cast a ballot for Biden if people didn’t speak up and demand better.
This don’t speak and fall in line rhetoric is why there is a continued rightward side. Obviously getting rid of first pass, electoral college, etc are the way to achieve real reform, but those will never be implemented without massive pressure. It happens locally, but exposure and understanding of these ideas is more impactful and reaches a larger audience when on a national stage when the whole country is watching.
(Vote Kamala, but demand better.)
Hank is grinning cause he’s hoping the people will do anything for 3.5 years. He’s then frowning because after not doing anything for 3.5 years the people talking about the duopoly and third parties chose the laziest option of voting against their interests in the only time in the last 4 years when the conclusion was actually forgone.
But bOtH sIdEs
