I think that Trump would make a real attempt to criminally prosecute Democratic leaders, as well as Republicans that won’t go along with him. Since the president now has immunity for ‘official acts’, he would have no real roadblocks for dealing with things in an extrajudicial way, and it’s unlikely that anyone that he appoints is going to make any attempt to slow him down; almost everyone that’s served in his prior administration has already said as much.
If he wins, I expect things to be very bad for much longer than his official, legal term of office. He’s going to do everything he can to eliminate the rule of law, and SCOTUS has already demonstrated that they can’t/won’t block him.
A party realignment likely happens faster. It’s been a long time since the parties have had a real shake up and we are probably overdue anyway.
If the Democrats lose, there is not going to be any soul searching. There is going to be a lot of finger pointing and blame. And most of it is going to be at Republicans, at the media, at Trump idiots, etc.
I am hoping that Trump loses if only because I think they’re actually be some realignment within the GOP. Unlike the Democrats, there is some actual question of direction within the GOP currently from what I’ve seen. Not everybody over there is happy with Trump. Many who just want power see him as too divisive and cultish, a Trump win is a win for Trump not necessarily for the GOP. There are some actual conservatives in the GOP who feel (IMHO correctly) that Trump is more of a cult of personality than a reflection of conservative values.
If nothing else, if Trump loses this time, he is probably finished. At least I hope so and I think there’s a good chance of it. Look at the younger generations, how many people under say 30 do you see waving Trump flags?
At least I really hope that realignment happens. And I also hope it comes with a realignment of message. I think there are a lot of conservative positions that could have mainstream appeal, that deserve a voice in politics, but the GOP has abandoned a great many of them in favor of harassing gay people and immigrants. That’s not a good way for us to go as a country.
Eh, GOP has been the same party for the last 50 years. The party of gerrymandering, obstruction, and projection. I’m sure the war on drugs and trickle down economics will start working any day now.
That’s the sort of shit I hope they get away from.
Lower taxes and more efficient less intrusive government are good ideas. They’re just too far in the pocket of big business so ‘lower taxes and more efficient government’ often comes off as ‘let’s give the 0.01% more tax breaks and defund the bloated inefficient EPA’.
Probably another century of nominating old white guys for president.
I’m still getting the feeling that Harris will win.
But if she doesn’t, I don’t think they’ll exist as a viable political party by 2028, and not because people will lose faith in them. I think Trump will weaponize as many aspects of the government as he possibly can against anyone and any group he sees as a threat or challenge to himself, and one of those groups is the Democratic Party. And I also think he’ll direct the more militant groups of his followers (3%ers, proud boys, etc) much more explicitly in the conduct of violence against his opponents - up to and including having direct contact with their leadership.
I’m not being hyperbolic. This is a playbook we’ve seen before. Harris losing would be roughly equivalent in many ways to the NSDAP (that would be the Nazis) rise to power in the early 1930s.
I think they’ll basically be a controlled opposition party. Having only one party control the entire government should be a red flag for most Republican voters. Keeping them at a consistent 20-30% of all offices is a good way to say, “Look, you have choice. Not our fault Democrats have unpopular policies and can’t muster a majority anymore.”
I no longer think it is. Anyone that can look at what Trump did from 2017 through 2021, and what he’s saying that he will do if elected, and still vote for him, isn’t someone that cares about a single party dominating politics.
Yes, that’s another distinct possibility.
But as I see it, Trump et al will think it’s a super bigly power move if they can just destroy the Democratic Party outright, so they’ll probably try to do that anyways
They’ll die out because only old people are true democrats. The younger ones are progressive so I bet the party reforms to counter the yt trash MAGAs. Since the GOP died and now are attacking the country to Putins delight under the MAGA banner they obviously have to fight back. Which shouldn’t be too hard because a lot of the yt trash are moving back rural with all the land scams Trump endorses at his rallys.
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They would re-crown themselves as “the resistance” and spend another 4 years calling out Trump for policies that they also support but with a fig leaf. They would do basically nothing material, just as they have done for decades when out of the white house. They will demand that you bear witness to disaster and trauma but not actually organize against it, they would tell you to instead place all your faith for a resolution in their hands. Just give them four more years, bro. “At least we aren’t Republicans”.
This ignores so much that has been fought for and done by so many politicians who actually have a desire to make things better. It’s honestly disgraceful you’re that bitter you can’t see the good faith efforts that have been made.
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Political persecution by Trump and widespread violence.
A mild but noticeable shift to the right, even more than Biden -> Harris so no more Bernie, Walz or AOC, compromising on social policy (especially immigration, but also trans rights, guns etc).
Otherwise business as usual. If trump croaks and desantis/vance takes the reigns they might be competent enough to get enough of Project 2025 underway that by the next cycle the institutions of the country will be so eroded that Democrats will be reduced to permanent “opposition” status to maintain a sense of democracy rather than any real democracy,
it will not actually be possible to elect them, a few cycles and they will either dissolve or implode, then is replaced with a GOP faction.
If it makes Americans feel any better, the Roman Republic still survived as an Empire for centuries long after it’s military dictatorship carousel of clowns and opportunists eroded the republic’s institutions and kept all that SPQR stuff just for aesthetics and a national identity
(especially immigration, but also trans rights, guns etc).
They should absolutely drop guns entirely, and focus on root causes of violence (…which are largely economic and related to the ‘war on drugs’). If Dems entirely dropped gun/feature/magazine bans as a policy point, and never brought it up again, they could peel away a lot of Republican voters. In much the same way, that there are a lot of women that are very conservative that would vote Republican if only Republicans dropped abortion/birth control/IVF/etc.
As an aside to this, Dems constant calls to ban guns actually increases firearm sales. Dropping it as a political point would decrease the overall number of arms sold each year. It would also slow down the guntubers grift of using 2A rights as a way to shift people farther to the right on social and economic issues.
compromising on social policy (especially immigration . . . )
That compromise has already happened. Harris is currently campaigning on a hardline border policy and touting that she tried to get essentially Trump’s 2020 border policy through the legislature.
If the Dems lose, they will move right. If they win, they will move right. Without a strong leftist opposition (not just voice, but opposition), they will keep moving right term after term after term while touting superficial bullshit to try to please people who have a conscience but very little political education.
There was a thread just yesterday about why the Democrats haven’t done anything progressive in so long, and people were seriously touting Harris being black like that at all matters in the face of her being a cop, or like it’s actual policy and not just the incidental identity of their prospective President. I wrote a whole thing on it before deleting it because I just can’t stand to talk to people like that anymore.
I do not agree. Biden may not be a flashy big reform guy but in practice he is basically the most progressive president since FDR.
The idea that fascists might still be wearing America’s corpse long after it’s dead does not in fact make me feel any better. Honestly, I doubt they’ll be able to keep it together anywhere near that long, but it might last longer than I do, which is bad enough. Not that I much want to be around for the self-destruction, either.
Here’s to hoping that the Democrats can win and keep this country limping along until someone better comes around. At this point that’s the best hope this dumpster fire has left.
Didn’t mean to imply it was a good thing, but that you and your family and friends might at least be somewhat safe from immediate hardship of something as bad as the collapse of a nation-state
Hopefully learn to play by the same rules as the Republicans and stop being such fucking pussies. Republicans cheat, lie, steal, and pretend to be morally superior while the Democrats try to abide by rules which aren’t in the rulebook. I found this interview quite good where it’s brought up.
Democrats, go play dirty otherwise you’ll keep fucking losing.
Fuck no! If the Dems become as bad as the GOP that’s just losing by another name.
I encourage you to watch the interview I posted. TL;DW the Dems should achieve their goals (which are better than those of the Reps) by playing like the Reps. Again, that’s the short version of the video which doesn’t do it justice, so if you want to argue it, I encourage you again to watch the video.
DNC probably won’t get more progressive for next round and will pull something to make them lose votes. Won’t be surprised of they go more right. Maybe drop anti gun laws? That would be a good move to get more GOP votes and the cost of diehard anti-gun people. I don’t know if that math’s. If there is a next round…
It really depends who votes for them. If progressives, responding to the Walz pick and $15/hr minimum wage vote in very large numbers, then the dem party will do more to try to maintain their support going into the future.
If the conservative never-Trumpers come out and vote in large numbers, the dems will try to maintain that support instead.
They’ll chase the votes, basically.
At this point, the DNC could be giving out guns and Republicans would call it a trap that they are only giving a single high capacity magazine. Honestly, after everything that has been known about Project 2025, Trump, Lindsay Graham, and everyone on the right, I don’t think there is anything that could ever change their vote.
I know you are right and it’s sad. Alternative timeline Pete campaigning in Texas “coming to give you more guns” would totally been called a trap by GOP.
Beto O’Rourke has been one of the biggest gifts the Dems could ever give Republicans. Even if Dems drop gun bans now–and they should!–it will take years of Dems being pro-2A to convince single-issue voters that it’s not a scam.
more trump assassination attempts! there’s a positive side to everything!
More implies failures. Enough and Dude is gonna pull a Putain and be kept in a bunker. That will break him emotionally. maybe there is a silver lining.
Those were all right-aligned hogs
im not against fascists killing eachother
Let them be joined by left-aligned hogs.
it’ll be delegalized obviously
