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  • @weariedfae
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    1037 hours ago

    This sounded like an ominous privacy warning lol!

    • @[email protected]
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      237 hours ago

      Your actual browsing of lemmy is moderately private, provided you trust your server.

      But nothing else is. By design, it’s pretty easy for anyone who wants to track activity on any federated platform to do so. They’re extremely open.

      • mox
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        Your actual browsing of lemmy is moderately private, provided you trust your server.

        Not exactly. Many of the big instances have Cloudflare (or similar) sitting between you and the server, providing the HTTPS layer while watching everything you read and write on Lemmy. In cryptography circles, we call this a man-in-the-middle.

        Your instance (sh.itjust.works) is one such instance, by the way, as is lemmy.world.

        • @[email protected]
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          133 minutes ago

          That applies to most of the internet, and Cloudflare has a long track record of not abusing that position, though.

          • mox
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            Cloudflare has a long track record of not abusing that position, though.

            Well, Cloudflare is not all that old, so I would say it has a medium-length record of not getting caught abusing that position.

            The point is that most Lemmy users’ actual browsing is in fact not private between them and their server. Many instances have a big network services corporation like Cloudflare watching everything read or written by every user, so that info is available to anyone with sufficient access or influence there, like employees and governments.

            That applies to most of the internet,

            Not exactly, but it does apply to a great many of the biggest web sites, so I guess we could say it applies to much of the internet’s traffic.

            And that’s part of the problem. Cloudflare is in a position to watch much of what people do on the web, across many unrelated sites and services (often including domain name lookups), and trivially identify them. This includes what they’re reading on Lemmy, and who they are when they log in to their bank accounts.

            In any case, I replied not to be pedantic, but just to let our community know that they shouldn’t assume their reading habits on Lemmy are safely anonymized behind a made-up username, or confidential between them and their instance admins. If your instance uses a provider of DDOS protection or HTTPS acceleration, as many big instances do, then the walls have ears.

          • @[email protected]
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            120 minutes ago

            The whole point of Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is to decentralize, so everyone routing through a single service (Cloudflare) seems to go against that.

            • @[email protected]
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              116 minutes ago

              The point is to not be compelled to a central service. Choosing a provider that does a better job is perfectly fine.

      • Miles O'Brien
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        226 hours ago

        provided you trust your server.

        You shouldn’t.

        especially if you run it yourself. If you don’t have a loaded sawed off sitting near your server rack in case the machine spirit within grows too strong, you aren’t servering correctly.

          • Blaze (he/him)
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            35 hours ago

            Hits home. I have a friend in sales, he got a connecter door lock the other day. There’s no way any of these get to my door in this life

            • @Passerby6497
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              45 hours ago

              I’ve been considering adding a wireless door lock to my place, but my home automation platform is entirely self hosted and doesn’t reach out to the net for basically anything.

              • @[email protected]
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                112 minutes ago

                I like the SwitchBot Lock because it sits over the existing thumbturn rather than completely replacing the lock. It still looks like a normal lock from outside, unless you get a keypad of course. I got one with a keypad so my dog sitter can come check on my dog and take her out while I’m at work.

                It’s not internet enabled by default. You can buy a wifi gateway from SwitchBot, but instead I have mine connected to Home Assistant using Bluetooth via a Bluetooth proxy.

              • @grue
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                My home automation consists only of (self-hosted and fully local) Home Assistant and some smart outlets I’ve flashed with ESPHome open-source firmware. I found some Nanoleaf Matter/Thread smart bulbs a few days ago on clearance, but even though I got them super cheap I’m debating on whether to return them because i’m not sure if I can trust them without being able to flash an open-source firmware.

                • @Passerby6497
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                  12 hours ago

                  I’m running HA too, but I’m rocking zigbee stuff with a bit of zwave for outside stuff. Works so well (when I properly program it anyway 🤣)!

                • aquafunkalisticbootywhap
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                  23 hours ago

                  with matter devices, you can possibly do some fun networking, and block them from reaching the outside world completely. then you just need to trust your firewall