Is it? You keep saying it’s a child, I’m trying to stay objective, is it? Pictures of real hate crimes are bad. But plenty of shows and movies depict hate crimes and you don’t seem to be fighting that fight, seems like inconsistent morals.

Yes yes, I get it, you’re against CP, I am too. My point is this isn’t CP, this isn’t a child. This is a make believe spiritual being that you think looks like a child. Hell in the pic shown she clearly isn’t a child. I mean if you take a kid and draw a picture of what you think they’d look like as an adult is that CP? The pic isn’t a child. I mean, honest question.

What I find weird is the number of people in Lemmy who are trying to define a grey line when it’s CP and when it’s not.

Don’t you instantly lose any kind of validity with that comment?

You are laying down the law, you are saying what is, and is not true,with no basis to reality or logic or reason. You are just saying what you say is true, and you cannot be argued with. You don’t see how fundamentally messed up that is how completely insane you sound?

You’re upset about a drawing. A drawing that isn’t even of a real thing.

You are upset about someone’s imagination and then further upset by your interpretation of the drawing of their imagination.

But flat out banning it without proper research would be irresponsible.

I think the whole argument is moot. AI image generation is available to pretty much everyone. It’s impossible to control what what people are doing with it

Thanks for the thoughts on such, the way people were only downvoting originally and not providing any actual explanation to why, had me thinking it was just going to have been dumb to ask.

Prove to me that removing this will not bleed into real life even more than it is not? You can’t either.

What I can prove is that Japan has csam cartoons for decades and they have less CSA per Capita than the USA. Is it possible that the Japanese know something we don’t? Who knows.

Can you prove to me that the AI trained models were done with real csam materials? If so, not reporting this to the FBI seems irresponsible.

Generative models does not work like that, if it were so, how do you explain that I can generate a picture of a purple six legged cat throwing lasers from the eyes in space?

In a very very very simplified way, the models are trained that from noise it de noises it until the image is “restored”. A part of the model learns to remove noise until a drawing of a child is restored, another learns to restore the image of a drawing of a nude woman. Basically you say to the model that from noise it has to restore the drawing of a nude child it combines the two proceses (also it is trained to combine things in a way that makes sense).

That’s a word salad I can’t decipher. Sorry.

Me making box mix cake that tastes like ass doesn’t make me a baker. That’s silly.

No sane person is denying what you’re saying. With a Children of my own, I want to do anything and everything possible to protect them.

That said, there are research that people who consume cartoon csam that haven’t done real life abuse. They have a problem. Taking away something that doesn’t hurt anyone might not improve our protection of our children, but make things worse.

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Turns out with laws definitions can be pretty important. Here it’s the whole difference between if your quoted definition fits the situation or not.

What indicated that I would be a pedo?

And kind reminder, child sexual abuser != pedophile. (And the other way around)

Okay, dickhead. Do you treat everyone who talks about child abuse laws as a predator?

Let me tell you EXACTLY what will happen if the federal government treats cartoon pornofraphy the same as real CSAM: the amount of CSAM being viewed goes up. Way up.

The reason why real child sexual abuse is heavily penalized and cartoon stuff isn’t is because real child sexual abuse is worse. Would you rather have people looking at cartoons or real children?

On top of that, shows like Euphoria,/and others would become just as illegal as real child pornography. After all, the characters depicted are minors, but the actors are adults. Would you be okay with someone watching Euphoria being punished the same as somene looking at real child sexual abuse?

“Oh but I would rather people not veiw anything of sexualized children, real or not-” well I hate to break it to you: its going to happen anyway. The point of criminal punishment is harm reduction. And punishing looking at a cartoon and child pornography the same is only going to increase viewership of real child pornography.

And I’m not even defending it [cartoons] but I definitely would like for real child sexual abuse to decrease, so I’m okay with (edit: CARTOONS) existing. YOU are reading into my comment.

No I don’t jerk off to kids. I am approaching this mental health issue with an open mind and not emotionally like some people here.

As someone who suffers from a different mental issue, unrelated to pedos, you have to understand that people with a disability don’t want to do some of the things they are doing.

Pedos know they have a mental illness. They don’t want to do the things they are doing. If watching and consuming AI cartoon csam keeps them from acting out their urges in real life then yes please do that. Seek help at the same time.

I can’t guarantee that keeping AI cartoon csam will reduce CSA. But you can’t guarantee removing it can either. So let’s all have an adult conversation here.