I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.
Can’t? I already personally blocked them months ago.
Join me
Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:
in .ml alternative asklemmy [email protected], [email protected] linux [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] memes [email protected], [email protected] programmerhumor [email protected] world news [email protected] technology [email protected] funny [email protected] ukraine [email protected] Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.
the main issue with .ml is
transparencyauthoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the adminsI had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂
Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.
The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.
We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.
Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated
I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they’re turning at least one user away now
Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.
Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.
Added to the list - thanks!
I humbly submit:
Added to the list.
An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.
If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn’t have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don’t like there crappy memes
Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying “don’t criticise Russia or China here”. It’s fine as long as the rules are clear.
But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR “no bigots”). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.
And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they’re
full of gullibleness and don’t get the purpose of this utterancedumb fucks.Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn’t exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.
It isn’t a high mark, I agree. But while the “kill you are self lol.” thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.
That rule becomes clear very quickly when you’re familiar with Lemmy. (Unless you’re defederated from .ml.)
It is not enough; it should be explicit. Users should be able to know the rules of an instance before they even interact with it.
[email protected] has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.
I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.
But maybe we shouldn’t throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.
Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.
Not going to waste my time further with you.
It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.
Citing some random paper doesn’t make what your saying not disinformation.
will remove comments for “misinformation”
As they should
even if you’re citing academic works.
I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies
If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.
my instance has been defederated from .ml for ages and i can personally confirm fedi is still fun here :) take that as you will
Same.
Yeah it’s an amazing experience without them.
As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.
Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.
There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
sourceI can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.
I’m glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. “Pure free speech and anarchy!” If you say exactly what we want you to, also don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
Of course, because there is no true anarchist.
What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else’s argument to sound smarter?
Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as “not real anarchists”.
“Free speech!”
Ok tankie.
“Not like that!”
Or more subtly:
I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removedEdit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
Edit2: lmao
I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.
Je suis en retard
We need to grow the [email protected] alternative more!
TIL. Thanks.
That was one of the few
.mlcommunities I actually missed when I defederated from them last year and couldn’t find a replacement for. Subscribed!
honestly, I eventually got fed up enough and instance blocked .ml on my account a couple weeks ago, and Ive barely noticed a difference. It was the bulk of lemmy right after it started to get some migration from Reddit, but it isnt nearly as essential these days already
How do you block .ml on your account?
Assuming that these settings are a universal part of lemmy and not instance specific, I click my name in the top right corner, select settings from the dropdown, and then there is a page with 2 tabs, one saying settings and a second that I can switch to called “blocks”. In the blocks tab, I can view and add to lists of blocked users, communities, and instances. Just go to the instances drop down, and search “lemmy.ml” and click the option that appears to add it to the block list.
Tbf that doesn’t actually do much at all in terms of blocking an instance, hence is horribly misnamed imho. All it does is mute communities located on that instance. The users from that instance can still harass you in posts in other communities, triggering notifications, vote on your content, etc.
The Sync and Connect can do true user-level blocking of any instance you choose without needing admin support, and the Lemmy alternative PieFed, or e.g. Lemmy.cafe or dubvee org have blocked all of the big 3 tankie instances.
Nice. TYVM.
I like being able to block instances, without my instance doing it for me, lemm.ee is pretty good about that, like yeah, I blocked lemmygrad and hexbears but still have the option to see their stuff without switching accounts
The problem with such a “block”, applied by the base Lemmy web UI or an app like Voyager that merely applies the same, is that it only mutes communities - which is basically the same as unsubscribing from each one individually (except it does save you some time, and affects newly created ones, and also visibility while browsing the All feed).
The actual users from those instances can still harass you, making comments, triggering notifications, voting on your content, etc. I made the mistake of replying to a comment in [email protected] and another one somewhere in Lemmygrad.ml and each time I received notifications for WEEKS and WEEKS afterwards, long after I stopped responding.
I almost quit the Fediverse entirely as a result. That is not what I signed up for. Btw browsing by All doesn’t show the sidebar of ChapoTrapHouse, nor of hexbear.net. How was I supposed to know!? What I did see was the sidebar of such places as Lemmy.World and Discuss.Online which is… well, more than a little different focus (remember the human and all of that).
Like porn, I think such content as is in [email protected] should be properly labeled so that people aren’t taken by surprise, going in there unawares. THEY can do whatever they want, but why are WE federating that content to the entire world - without such a label having been applied?
The way I see it if they get defederated a lot of the people will migrate away from it and it won’t be “too big to fail” anymore
The best way to keep them all contained would be to not defederate but encourage everyone on other instances to add it to their instance mute list so you don’t have to interact with them.
How I interact with lemmy.ml:
- If I see a post I want to comment on, I comment on it. I don’t give a fuck what instance it’s on.
- If I want to post, I select the relevant community with the most subscribers. I don’t give a fuck what instance it’s on.
- If I can’t comment or post there, because I was banned for criticizing a dictatorship, I select the next biggest community.
(This happens about 50% of the time, cause I’m now banned on most .ml communities, simply for posting common sense opinions.)
Nah we’re fine
Now what’s the juicy backstory to this drama?
Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest instances that serves up tankies, there was some conversation going on the .world admin thread regarding the federation issues about why not just defederate/“not fix it” and it was brought up they have a lot of content including one of the biggest Linux communities.
Thus this meme was born lol
ive noticed several communities being moved off of .ml because of overacting mods shitting their own beds (my fav movies comm being one of them). kinda the whole point of the 'verse. i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business… purposeful or not
the locals at .ml seem to have this notion that theyre too big to fail, which is patently not true considering the tiny size of the fediverse overall.
id recommend users utilize a ‘home’ instance thats more of an onramp than local-content curation… (https://moist.catsweat.com being in this category) they tend to not defederate from any instances so users can easily switch subscriptions when shit goes sideways in the content-heavy servers without making new accounts.
i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business… purposeful or not
This isn’t unique to world or ml. There’s some wonky shit going on with federating across Lemmy at the very least, maybe other parts of the fediverse that I don’t use. On walledgarden there are at least half a dozen instances that are falling in and out of sync with our communities. No one on either side of the connection seems to have an answer for what caused this behavior or how to correct it. Talking to some other instances, we aren’t alone.
The lemmyverse crawler/site has also shown some odd behavior with communities and instances disappearing and reappearing seemingly at random.
I don’t think anything malicious is being done by any of the instances or admins in regards to federation delays.
Not believing the US propaganda apparatus is thoughtcrime
Damn, never noticed I couldn’t say stuff like “the US is a shitshow” over here. The agents on my door were always so nice as well!
Buggers, guess I’ll have to buy some Apple stocks now and pleasure myself over a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes
You do know that you guys sound like a cult. The sovcits of the fediverse.
Dude, there were literal happy posts all over the place when Kissinger passed. There are US-critical memes on Lemmy and the Fedi all the time, in addition to those making fun of Russia, China, communism etc. Most people are aware that the US is shit. However they’re also aware that the USSR back then and China right now are also huge piles of garbage, politically speaking (country and people sure are nice!).
Has it ever cross your mind that most people ain’t pissed because you’re anti-US, but because you’re pro-shit?
You can say whatever you like if nobody cares.
Say something bad about liberalism, NATO, or Ukraine or something good about China or the USSR that threatens the narratives the mods are invested in, and you’re liable to have your comment removed for “misinformation”, especially if you cite academic works.
Same answer as above: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/25676408/14608182
I can also cite academic papers that apparently prove homeopathy works or, if time doesn’t matter, that lobotomy is worth a nobel prize. Doesn’t mean they ain’t of low quality / biased and pro-shit.
Regardless of the criticism specifics, a visible mod/admin is a bad mod/admin. True leadership follows; the steering, imperceptible. The job is that of a janitor. People can appreciate a janitor. When a janitor tries to play president, hate follows.
I haven’t seen the specifics in this instance. I saw someone posting partial private messages in screen shots months ago without full context and making drama. I have not seen inexcusable behavior from .ml or a reason I feel motivated to stop posting there.
inexcusable behavior from .ml
Go post the most reasonable fact-based take that’s still anti-china or anti-russia you can over there and it’ll be clear real quick
