I said something along the lines of:
“Wow, I haven’t had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while.”
Along with
“Nah, the more dead corpos dragons, the better.”
In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.
…
Good ole’ civility clause.
Whats the paradox of tolerance?
.world mods have never heard of it I guess.
PTB, comments celebrating a person who’s horrible are not encouraging violence. This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.
for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.
I think this comment snippet speaks for itself honestly.
TOS you say?
Heh, I got a good chuckle at that comment removal. So glad I moved from there to db0.
I’m honestly shocked my own comment didn’t get deleted. When I saw how many were being nuked, I had to chime in. I guess they missed it in the chaos.
I looked at the logs myself, and it absolutely was power tripping. Jury nullification discussion isn’t even illegal for fucks sake.
A 24 hour temp ban for celebrating violence is actually pretty reserved. Certainly not power tripping.
Counterargument: no.
E: To elaborate, the terms of service say:
“**We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.**”
Merely expressing glee is not calling for violence or threatening a living creature. Banning someone for a rule they didn’t break, for any duration, is overreach.
CEO isn’t even living anymore so they’re not breaking the rule just based off that.
Except that it very much is. How can you not see that?
These gleeful comments are very much what? Celebrating violence, as you originally said? If so, sure. However, celebrating violence is not against the rules. Go to any Ukrainian-on-Russian drone strike video and you’ll find plenty of people celebrating death. What is against the rules is making threats or calling people to violent action against another. These are very much not the same thing. In the insurace CEO thread, the overwhelming majority of removed comments were not making threats or trying to incite more violence.
Celebrating violence is a method used to call for more violence. And the reason the war isn’t heavily moderated is because it’s a war. It’s already at the worst state, and further violence is a foregone conclusion. That’s a massive difference to celebrating a murder. Being popular doesn’t mean it’s okay suddenly.
I expected empire apologia in your comment history, and you delivered. Classic.
Oh god you made me snort.
There’s still a clear distinction between celebrating violence and calling for further violence.
You’re making a leap between the two.
They are explicitly and literally not the same thing, even if celebrating can be, and often is, used as part of a call for more.
Every cat is an animal, but not every animal is a cat.
The problem is you guys want to lawyer this like it’s legislation. You’re not wrong about the dictionary definitions. You are however absolutely wrong about how the English language is used and how violence is propagated.
This how the general population feels… Cope dear
Class war is a war too, and it’s not one that we the people started. Condemning the CEO’s death is saying that he should’ve been allowed to keep killing millions of more people through coverage denial, a form of social murder that ends their lives prematurely the exact same as gunning them down. Further violence is just as much a forgone conclusion, it’s just a question of whether it will be resisted or left unchecked.
Class war being an actual hot war is both highly debatable and highly inflammatory. It’s a fringe ideology of an already minority ideology. Expecting that to be a moderating standard on one of the largest Lemmy Instances is ridiculous at best.
It’s not really about ideology, it’s reality. People are being killed every day by people like Brian Thompson. If you actually cared, it’s pretty easy to find countless stories of people losing loved ones because their insurance company sacrificed their lives for profit. Nobody really pays attention to those stories though, because the violence is so common, frequent, and normalized that we’ve become desensitized to it. In contrast, when violence happens in the reverse direction, in a highly contained retaliatory strike against one of the people most responsible, it’s shocking precisely because it’s so rare, because our side is so much more peaceful and restrained than theirs.
But whether for good or ill, as long as the system keeps backing people against the wall, more of this will happen. It’s inevitable, you can’t expect people to just accept it as conditions get harsher and more and more intolerable. If you commit social murder, you’re putting your own life on the line.
I don’t really see what’s debatable or ideological about that. When people get fucked over, they will fight back.
So gonna be a bootlicker… Weird time to expose it lol
The person is no longer liing so you cannot call for violance aganst a living person for expressing glee to them
I also feel like wanting death to IDK the bacteria that causes the plague, or taberculousis, should not be a banable office but that is a bannable creature
also does wanting a hamburger count as calling for violace aganst a cow… a living creature?
Not only does what the banns are for not break the rule, but the rule is so broad as to be useless and cripple most conversations
And now you’re being absurd.
ok so lets look at his the tos is “We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.” is that correct. so if something is already dead, like a porkchop, we can both agree that I can threaten a porkchop because it is already dead and so not living. This would be the same as a corpse, a corpse is no longer a living thing, so cheering a death AFTER someone died it is not advocating violance to a living creature its a dead creature. There is nothing incorrect or absurd in that statement
now lets look at it agian “We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.” Well, Mosquitos, Bacteria, plants, funguses, are all “living creatures” so I ask in ernistness does using anti-biotics not technicaly qualify as violance on a living creature? what about the Eradication of the guinnie worm? wanting to harvist a field? all of them are violance on living creatures, is this an unorthodox take yes, but it is not abserd, it is simular to the Jade view, and it is consistent with the rules you have set forth.
You cannot argue that an interpretation you do not like is abserd, you can say that is not the interpritation that the mod team follows, thats fine, I already have issues with your moderation policies but that is fair, but to say that following your rules to the letter but not nessicarily the spirit is abserd, that is just bad rule writing.
Denying millions of legitimate claims that directly leads to many people being physically harmed or dying is violence on a large scale. So is lobying the government to keep healthcare in shambles for hundreds of millions of people.
It’s a less visible, less gorey form of violence than a gun, but violence that begets mass suffering and death nonetheless.
If you define that as violence then everything is violence and nothing is legitimate. Overly broad definitions meant to paralyze society are a form of violence because people will die if we take no action, but we can’t take action because Vent defined that as violence.
Overly broad definitions meant to paralyze society are a form of violence because people will die if we take no action
100% agree, this is a propaganda tactic used constantly by politicians and the rich and powerful. For example, if one were to broaden the definition of “illegal immigrant” to include more people, then use that definition to incite racism and mass deportation, I would consider that rhetoric a form of violence.
Would a military commander at war be considered non-violent because they only order subordinates to shoot but don’t do the shooting themselves? Is the president ordering a nuke non-violent because they don’t drop the bomb themselves?
Now, what if someone were to order the denial of life-saving medical care to thousands of civilians that have already paid for it?
We can’t take action because Vent defined that as violence.
When did I say we can’t take action against violence, or that violent actions don’t sometimes call for violent responses?
That’s the joke. If you define violence as broadly as you have then you end up in an ethical trap that has only one exit; violence is moral and I should use it to protect my values before it is used on me.
I simply didn’t highlight the exit in my previous comment. But I can see from yours that you’ve already decided this and decided this excuses people from following any rules about not propagating violence.
na your just committing the absurdist logical fallacy. violence absolutely can be ethical and we’re rapid approaching that state in the US.
There’s large differences between violence being immoral, having qualified exceptions, and being moral. Most people are in the middle. Every really shitty period of time, like when commoners were being executed en masse in the French Revolution, lives in the violence is moral category. I don’t know about you but I’d like to avoid living in a time where my neighbor can report me to the secret police and I get sent to the gulag, or where educated people are rounded up and shot because they “can’t be trusted”.
That’s where celebrating mob violence leads, on the left and right.
uh huh. no one is talking about murdering civvies. we’re discussing good trimming the ol’ bourgeois stock as its become sick and a danger to us. its good that you’re trying to contextualize situations. now all you need to do is contextualize the what people are actually saying vs. what you think they’re saying.
Now well, if you are in the bourgeois class. might want to start getting your house in order. start punishing your bad actors appropriately etc.
I’m hearing that you believe violence is never moral, correct? Is Ukraine amoral to use violence to stop Russia’s invasion?
I never said that so I don’t know why you would believe that.
All I’m getting from this is that you’re fine with people needlessly dying as long as the death wasn’t a direct result of violence.
Of course not. But more death isn’t the answer. Because we’ve seen that route and it doesn’t end the cycle. Check out France and Russia. They didn’t solve anything with their incredibly violent reprisals against their ruling classes. The only way to end this cycle is to end the existence of a wealthy elite. Which you can do by taking their money away.
What about WWII? The US Revolution? The US civil war? The Haitian Revolution? Is France really worse off now? Ukraine?
Violence / death is very rarely the answer to anything, but it’s a cold hard fact that sometimes it is, especially when you start bringing war and revolutions into it, lmao.
The only way to end this cycle is to end the existence of a wealthy elite. Which you can do by taking their money away.
“Hand over your money, please!”
To be clear, I’m not advocating for killing anyone in the streets, and vigilante justice like this is not something I’d like to see, but the blanket response of “violence bad” is plain wrong.
The US Revolution wasn’t anything like the French and Russian ones. Haiti was but it wasn’t Haitians that screwed them over afterwards, it was the US. So maybe they could have been the one time where an orgy of violence worked?
To be clear, I’m not advocating for killing anyone in the streets, and vigilante justice like this is not something I’d like to see, but the blanket response of “violence bad” is plain wrong.
Except you’re here defending exactly that.
Based on your arguments here you’re basically saying that celebrating (or maybe even even simply not condemning?) this act of violence means that you must tacitly endorse this type of violence, correct? That’s a very long bow to draw.
I think most people, myself included, would much prefer a non-violent way to prevent capitalists from profiting directly from the physical and financial misery of sick and dying people. Like maybe some stronger laws, better regulation and enforcement, and active prosecution of non-compliant companies and their bosses, for a start, right? But in the seeming absence of that possibility, why not let folks have their schadenfreude moment in peace?
24 hours for chearing someone who is responsable for the death of thousands, is not refusing someone life saving medical care not violence? Is this not the paradox of tolarance you folks always harp on about?
I’m sorry but, “come back tomorrow” really doesn’t have the dictatorial energy people seem to want it to have.
Look it is not the time, sure the time is reasonable, the issue is what you have chosen to do this over, your reasoning for it, not only has it not technicaly violated the letter of the TOS snippits that have been posted, it is also the moral call, which side are you on, when the CEO who made a fortune by letting others die … is killed, do you let the people discuss it and cheer the death of someone who caused so much suffering, or do you assist the Capitalist class, and supress that sentiment, YOU have to make the choice.
the issue we have is not its a day, its that you chose to help the capitalists
Do you want a TOS the size of a novel? Because idiotic arguments like this is how you get that. They will pay for a few hours of a lawyer’s time to create an honest to god TOS if you force them. The only reason you don’t want to see this as a violation is because you agree with the actions.
I mean, are you saying that me following the rule and not the arbitrary spirit of your TOS is a stupid argument, no its not stupid, yes its in grey or bad faith, but its not stupid. Rules should be able to cover atleast grey faith arguments, or atleast attempt to. If your rules can only work if read in good faith, and we can all understand the sperit it is written in they are worthless
🤡
Sorry for the double reply. I’ll create a list of alternatives to .world communities here; I’ll also add the ones you guys suggest, as long as not from .ml (as .ml and .world are apparently peas from the same pod.)
technology: [email protected]
politics: [email protected] (UK), [email protected] (USA), [email protected] (Canada), [email protected] (Oz), [email protected] (allegedly world, in practice USA)
news: [email protected] , [email protected]
comic strips: I couldn’t find any general comm, but there’s [email protected] and [email protected]
microblog memes: [email protected] , [email protected] , [email protected]
political memes: [email protected] , [email protected]
memes: [email protected]
ask lemmy: [email protected]
movies and animattion: [email protected] , [email protected] , [email protected] . Specifically for Japanese anime there’s ani.social (the whole instance).
EDIT: apparently the moderators apologised, including in this thread. So what I said that both are peas from the same pod might be inaccurate - it’s a matter of scale.
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It’s funny that, when I created a list of .ml alternatives, some entitled prick was lying/assuming/bullshitting that I was trying to kill LW - since I didn’t list any LW comm. If the prick said the same now it would be true. [Still blocked because I got no time for assumers.]
I find it very good that this community is becoming the de-facto central point to ensure mods are kept in check and that such comments can be made and found.
Ditto; I don’t know if you planned this role for the comm, but it feels like a natural evolution - from complaining about mod abuse to acting against it.
I love me some emergent order.
dont we all and thats why we love you =)
Thank you - I’ll add those to the list!
They are not peas from the same pod though: Lemmy.world mods have already apologized, made some changes to the rules to clarify their points (apparently? I haven’t tracked them down yet), and resolved to do better.
Among other places, here: https://lemmy.world/comment/13815531.
In contrast, Lemmy.ml admins have only ever doubled down on their decisions, afaict.
They overlap ever so slightly, yet are worlds apart, imho. Still, it’s so good to have options bc if someone doesn’t want to be in a particular community, it’s great to have the option to jump and be elsewhere. That said, I appreciate many things that Lemmy.World offers to us: especially [email protected] for funsies, but moreover entirely free access to the best parts of the Fediverse, as well as volunteer, unpaid devotion to moderate communities hosted there. Beggers cannot be choosers, but also, these mods are not billionaires - they are regular people just trying to improve things in their corner of the world, as best as they see fit. Which if we don’t like, we’ll need to step up and help out ourselves to aid and create new communities to replace those on that instance. That’s my 2¢ anyway:-D.
I’ll edit the comment addressing it, since not doubling down is a thumbs up in my book.
So are you saying that in those communities celebrating murder is encouraged or what?
I’m saying that those communities are not in an instance where the admins enforce hidden rules, unlike .world and .ml. At least, not as far as I know.
Is this clear now?
For [email protected], you’re free to celebrate good news such as a CEO getting an early retirement package.
But say like if you celebrated an activist or leftist dying etc, it would be frowned upon and assessed on a case-by-case basis.
The bans seem to be lifted.
yes i only banned for 24 hours so that more information could be found additionally there were directions that people encouraging, cheering, making joke of, discussing payment, or of jury nullification are against the terms of service for lemmy.world. as of now there is new information regarding this section of the terms of service which will be announced and explained by the admins. i am sorry to those that feel i was excessive we have discuss this among the moderators and will use the lock power to reduce the moderator workflow. for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us. i recognize my bias in this and will work to be more restrained going forward.
only God may judge us
I’m judging you right now, for your inability to keep your religion to yourself.
You should stop being a mod. For so many reasons.
Agreed, this is insanely concerning.
What in the world? Discussing jury nullification is against the terms of service of lemmy.world? I’m so glad I decided to skip getting an account there. SMDH
Makes you wonder who is behind that server now
Now or always? That server always seemed a bit out of wack for a variety of resaons since I first learned about it in my early days on Lemmy after the Reddit exodus. My initial impression has been repeatedly reinforced and I keep wondering why it’s the largest instance. I guess for the same reason that MacDonalds is (one of?) the most popular restaurant chains in the world?
for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.
Lmao I don’t know which god you’re referring to, but pretty sure based on the lore available they don’t give a fuck about human life
only God may judge us
If you’re referring to Yahweh, per the bible he’s a far more judgmental asshole than your average social media user.
יהוה
aka, YHWY isn’t even his original name. He was a Canaanite god of War and Death. Those were the entirety of his divine portfolio. That particular “God’s” original name is EL.
John Brown did nothing wrong
This Shoter did nothing wrong
If you consider human life sacred, then you would consider that CEO evil, and then would ballance that his death is a net positive.
Personally I would’ve much rather he just rot in prison for his crimes. I won’t celebrate murder but I’m not the least bit sad he’s dead
The system doesn’t allow for a corpo parasite to go to prison for their crimes.
So we got the anti hero doing the hard work.
Best us lowly pedons can do is show some support for the adjustment done to the UHC corporate organization
How does it feel sucking corporate, and status quo, cock for free?
BTW: יהוה, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh’s original name is EL. He’s a Canaanite god of War and Death. I’m pretty sure that this follower of Iehova, same god different name, would be pardoned by his “God.”
Edit: in case you missed it, the letter “I” was the Latin language character for “J” until the 4th or 5th century.
I will be finding a new instance that actually encourages discussion, going forward since this instance is run by censors that do not like free speech
Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL’s name to Allah, and a further group than that one declared that ELhovallah has said that science is more real than any “divine doctrine.”
Fuck you, and fuck my god. He created entire communities that I probably should be chastising because most American Baha’i’s are the “moderate white people” that MLK Jr. talked about so eloquently. They will say all the right things, but I have seen too often that they are merely talking. The saddest part is that because most of these people aren’t white people, so when they get off their asses and do something, it’s generally successful.
Sorry for the big off-topic. I just can’t help when it comes to etymology.
Edit: in case you missed it, the letter “I” was the Latin language character for “J” until the 4th or 5th century.
What changed around the 4th~5th centuries were sounds, not letters - the Latin words using the sound [j] (as in yes) were being pronounced with [d͡ʒ] (as in jazz). Even everyday words like iocus (game) or iam (already).
But people kept spelling them the same - you’d use “I” for [i ɪ j ʒ dʒ] (as in beet, bit, genre, jazz), and let context tell them apart. For any language using the Latin alphabet, not just Latin herself, as shown by Shakespeare:
The iniury of many a blasting houre; Let it not tell your Iudgement I am old,At most you’d flourish some “I” with a downwards curve, for easier reading; such as when you got 2+ “I” in a row. This mostly affects numbers (like XIII being spelled “xiij”), but also a few words like Old Spanish “fiio”=“fijo” (“son”; modern Spanish “hijo”).
Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL’s name to Allah
It’s more like both sides changed it. Without going too much into detail:
- the proto-Semitic word was around *ʔil or so
- the Biblical Hebrew pronunciation of ⟨אל⟩ was probably [ʔil] too, even if Tiberian Hebrew would read the word as [ʔe:l] “El” instead.
- Arabic “Allah” is most likely a contracted expression of [aɫiɫɫa:h]; [aɫ] is the article and the [aːh] a vocative. The underlying root is [ʔil]~[ʔill], spelled ⟨إِلّ⟩~⟨إِل⟩.
Well done on being both pedantic and informative. Yes you’re absolutely correct on both points, I didn’t feel the need to get that far into the weeds trying to explain that my own personal beliefs are tied into all of that historical pedantry. I just wanted to illustrate that such assholery is entirely possible by following the earlier ideas.
Sorry for my burst of pedantry. I couldn’t help it, I love to dig through the origin of the words.
…for a reason that is actually related to your Baháʼí faith: it shows that humans - those in the past, us in the present, and probably the ones in the future - are still the same. You see the same processes working on those words in the past as they do now.
[I agree with your main point. And I’m aware that what I said is unrelated to it, it’s only marginally related to the example.]
BTW: יהוה, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh’s original name is EL. He’s a Canaanite god of War and Death.
The word “EL” was just a label, like the word “god” itself (which literally means “creator”), and not a name. It meant “mighty one” or “strong one”.
For example, phrases translated as “God Almighty” is El Shad-dai.
When angels are referred to as the “sons of God” the original Hebrew is beneh’ ha-Elo-him.
Elo-him is also used to refer to other gods, and even human judges in Israel.
There are many more examples of the etymology, but “EL” is not always referring to the God referred to by the tetragrammaton. And it never refers to the Hebrew/Christian God in it’s singular isolated form. It always has a qualifier, like “God Almighty” (El Shad-dai).
The main difference being that the other Canaanite gods didn’t all have the EL prefix, in fact, he was the only one that had that prefix, and denominated him as the specific god of Death and War.
You can attempt to claim that isn’t true, many biblical and judeaic scholars have attempted to claim the same thing. The archeological evidence doesn’t support your claim
That doesn’t change linguistics. As I mentioned, there are examples in the Bible of other things, including humans, that were referred to as El.
Another example is Ba’al. Ba’al was both a generic word for pagan gods as well as one specific god. But that doesn’t mean so the various pagan gods were the same.
You also missed my point about the qualifier. The fact that the Canaanite god of death and war had no qualifier denotes a difference. The Hebrew/Christian God whose name is given as Jehovah in many translation, always has a qualifier with the word EL. Specifically qualifies like “God Almighty”, Most High (el’yohn), and never appears in isolated form except when referring to others.
The word EL even makes up many biblical names like Dani’el (God is my judge), El’isha (God is salvation), and Micha’el (Who is like God?).
The fact that there was a Canaanite god whose name was just “god” means and proves nothing, other than if there ever was a name attributed to that god it was lost to time.
El means “the” as far as I know. As he is “the one” and it is not part of the name, it is the title, basically it is not “a(ny) god” its “the god”. At least it was explained so to me from my bro, who “speaks” the old Hebrew. But I don’t know why it is the discussion here. Isn’t there better places to discuss etymology where there are people who speak the language?
As far as I am aware, EL didn’t mean “the” in Canaanite society or language. That happened later with the other tribes of the Canaanites forming completely different civilizations.
What mistakes? Those were all intentional outcomes.
We understand that you’ll repeatedly choose to selectively enforce or break the rules to ensure the predetermined narrative is served, then cite your religion as the reason.
Thanks for letting us know.
no? i was asked to enforce the terms of service and the celebration of murder encourages others but i have now been asked to not consider these a violation anymore
only God may judge us
And you, apparently.
I was with you until you mentioned that god thing.
You’re spineless
only God may judge us
Maybe stop using ancient, inconsistent collections of fairy tales and psuedo history to inform your world view.
Grow up lol.
Nah I judge you hard, you’re a garbage excuse for a human.
Jury nullification is a legal right any jurist in the US has, which is why liberals hate it.
Hmmm… Do Gaza residents count, how about American payers of health insurance?
Hmmm
yes? i would remove comments and posts celebrating the death of those people i pray for them as i pray for you and the family of the murdered person you celebrate
I don’t know if temporarily muting those accounts was the right call or not - I did not even look at the pictures of the modlog here much less elsewhere - but entirely separately from that I wanted to say thank you for offering your explanation here. Whatever you end up deciding, your willingness to be introspective is already a powerful thing.
thank you
i was asked to moderate anything that is illegal specifically mentioning “jury nullification” and “financially supporting” this has been changed now until a larger announcement is made
many admins and moderators at .world including myself are not american, i pray that the others who are angry at me and hope they consider there are more countries with laws that are different from them.
Jury nullification is one of democracies’ systems of checks and balances that protects against injustice. It’s also not illegal in the US to talk about as a topic for the general population.
Banning discussion about it is like banning people from talking about voting or civil disobedience. Banning discussion of it is a disservice to the public good.
That’s the thing - if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker. Otherwise, it’s just whinging, and the people may even have had to do the same if they were in your shoes, following the directives that you were given, regardless of their personal beliefs.
So again I haven’t studied the issue enough to know whether it was the right call or not, either by the admins or by you, but I hope as you make that determination in your head that you aren’t unduly influenced by people who choose to see only what they view as the extreme negative (as in result) without bothering to look at or acknowledge all the positives that you do as well. Making a judgement is hard work!
Please keep in mind that many people, perhaps out of fear of retaliation (if only by downvoting) may not take the time to express any positive sentiments about this (or, as I am considering doing, may take a break from social media a bit bc all of this news, in every single community it seems, is getting to be a bit much). Thus before I go on that break for a few days, I wanted to express my support for at least trying to help and be there for your community - even if you ultimately feel that it was the wrong call (and I’m not even so much as hinting here that it may have been - I truly don’t know nor at this point even care), you did at least try and I wish more people would see that. After some cooling off, I think some will. And for those who choose to remain perpetual entitled children, dependent upon others to do all their work for them (in this case I mean moderation EFFORTS to keep a community going and livable), who even cares what they think.
I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.
if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker
Are you justifying power tripping?
Not at all. Though she merely did as the instance admins instructed her? (mostly) And they seemed to be worried about police knocking down their door, as laws vary from country to country.
Her part was, as she said in her own words, to have removed the comments and banned people (no matter that they were extremely short-term, are already rescinded, and no more will be forthcoming for some of these issues), when she should have locked the post with a statement that the admins were issuing a moratorium on discussions of the topic for 24 hours and/or when they can get the ToS modified to provide transparency and consistency in what their want to see done. It’s their instance - they can do as they please. But her part in this seems only a small one, it’s the admins - who I haven’t heard anything from yet - who seem the real issuers of these edicts?
And as for myself, I am seeking a more nuanced and subtle form of argumentation beyond simply “my side always right, their side poopy buttface”. Though I do have sympathy for those who may have been affected by the underlying healthcare issues, and yet it seems like a proper diagnosis with full acknowledgement of all not just some of the factors involved that would serve us all best as we move forward here?
And I meant what I said at the end:
I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.
There may be bad parts about all of this here, but in retrospect it will become easier to see how well this conflict ended up being resolved - the transparency that I’m seeing here gives me strong hope. Like, where are the admins here in this thread, explaining their actions? If it’s here I haven’t seen it yet, but this mod came forth immediately and owned up to what she did, her explanation as to why, and even exposing her underlying reasoning process - she didn’t have to do any of that?! And she’s taking a LOT of flak for it too, especially her belief structures. Maybe we’ll find out that the admins are being PTBs here, but that’s not the vibe I get from this mod in particular, who seemed only trying to be friendly to everyone, and again, already having admitted her mistakes (in removing+banning rather than locking with explanation).
So, what am I missing here, about this mod in particular I mean? (The admins I don’t have sufficient information about to even make a guess.)
I’ll reply to you later, had too many drinks at this very moment ha ha
meanwhile on bluesky, there seems to be a celebration
Lemmy handling of this event is a bad look imho.
We got out of touch mods 🙄
Lemmy.world’s handling of this is a bad look. They don’t represent Lemmy as a whole no matter how much they want to.
You are correct.
.world is at the core of the people’s grievances here.
Tone deaf…
Even on my side of TikTok, there’s a celebration.
I want to say that this is a case where it’s not clearly either a PTB or a YDI situation. The mods seem to be enforcing their comm/instance rules, albeit their rules in this instance seem over the top.
I wonder what kind of acronym would fit this description. If anyone has any ideas, let me know.
TBD - Tyranny By Design
I’d say PTB but I guess TBD will do.
Who does it benefit to have instance rules like this? On LW you are not allowed to promote or celebrate any form of violence, so no matter how oppresive the state is, and no matter who the object of violence is (rapist, murderer, genocider, Nazi). The LW view seems to be that it would be uncivil to resist your own systematic exploitation and oppression in this way, and that it is always wrong to promote violence, even agaist literal Nazis. I’ve noticed most of the liberal instances have a similar policy. With a soft liberal underbelly like that, I dread to think what sort of milquetoast resistance to fascism the US population will be able to muster over the next few years.
Hah, catchy!
Can we please not turn this place into acronym soup like Reddit was in places?
You don’t even save that much time.
Power tripping bastard
You did it yourself
You save quite some time
That time being spent searching through the comments trying to decipher the acronyms.
They are in the sidebar, if people come here even once in a while they’ll know them.
Well, if you’re searching comments instead of reading the sidebar that’s always available, then you deserve to spend hours doing it.
Paradox of tolerance? Are insurance companies on lemmy defending letting people die?
United Health has the highest claim denial rate in the US and denies over 30% of claims by people trying to be healthy.
They don’t have to go on lemmy to defend, they just do it and they have let thousands of people die.
Bans on any Lemmy instance are stupid because nobody gives a fuck about this place. This is just 4Chan for milquetoast nerds
Can’t comment on bans/deservedness. Lemmy is infested with mods/agents/bots that are pro empire/CIA/military paid protectors of disinformation and said empire.
Not even a conspiracy. They spend billions every year trying to control the conversations online. The executives for many social media companies are former Mossad or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a post up acknowledging the astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base as their highest traffic source.
Always has been…
They deff seem to be overwhelmed now. Public opinion too strong, too unified.
Dead CEO is good news.
Which is why both neoliberal and conservative politicians are pushing for strong social media censorship laws right now, and calling for repealing or modifying the first amendment.
You are definitely onto something…
This is a watershed moment IMHO and it will be used to supress 1a AND 2a
Liberals forget that 2a is there once 1a fails
Liberals don’t support the 1a nor 2a. They’re fascists.
Leftists are strong supporters of both, though.
I don’t think a tankie has any right to complain about propaganda online.
So glad i went to Divide by Zero
I left after World said they would federate with threads.
“Erm, tos 🤓👆”
Me holding the TOS in my hands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XEwA8A5SE0
