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The people have spoken. The last duty of the outgoing administration is the orderly hand-off to the incoming admin.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them; even if you, me and they fear the next 2 years and then 2 more.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
They’re doing what
we ask of themthe people they talk to expect from them.I asked for nothing. I wanted Bernie or just anyone with a moral backbone. The howling of the people remained unheard
… as always.
The majority of voters speak for us all, and we asked for racist plutocratic theocratic fascism.
I cannot fathom how any decent human being could cast any kind of vote for trump but the people that did are not the actual problem.
The fact that there where only 2 options of the same 2 cults the majority has gotten tired off is the problem.
It is post election and we sadly cant redo it. There is little sense to make a “us and them” between voters and non voters besides a subtle “told you so” now and then when leopards eat there faces. Always remember devision is a political weapon used against us. It would be the higher dynamic of the politica Theater working exactly as designed to make sure we the people cant organize power.
If you want ballot access reform and campaign finance reform, Vote Dem. You’re right that the Trump voters aren’t the problem the almost 7 million voters who stayed home compared to 2020 are.
No, Biden has a duty to protect the constitution, so letting the fascists take over is a dereliction of duty.
It’s a fine line to tread. Biden and Harris have a Constitutional duty to step aside on January 20, and let Trump and Vance take over, but there’s no duty to acquiesce so quietly and cooperatively. They could be leading pro-civil rights rallies and delivering speeches on national TV, but of course, if they did they wouldn’t be Biden and Harris.
We invision leaders who have moral fortitude, believe in justice, want to make the world better, and have a plan to do so.
What we actually have are people who showed up, people who sold out, people who can navigate petty social interactions, and people who cling to power because it’s their ticket to an easy life.
Never should anyone be surprised when they let us down. It’s all theatre and the few who might fit the bill get isolated and rejected because they threaten the rests existence.
Explain precisely what you want him to do. Should he refuse to hand over power in “defense of the constitution”? Be specific.
you can invade, stage coups and meddle in other countries to bring or protect “democracy” then why not your own?
Let’s try this again. Explain precisely what you want Biden to do. He specific. Rhetorical questions don’t count.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
What is happening now is a major failing of both parties. If they so desperately want to be the only two horses that get to race then they take responsibility for every other horse they’ve essentially knee capped.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
I would only quibble that what you’ve suggested is not ‘nothing’. It’s not a lot, but it’s far more than Biden (or Harris) has ever done, or are ever likely to do. If either of them did what you suggest, they’d have my respect for the first time.
The
peoplemoneyed interests in charge of a deeply unrepresentative system have spokenFixed that for you. If not for several kinds of voter suppression and the Dem leadership being deaf to the left two thirds of the base, the GOP would have become permanently uncompetitive to the point of irrelevance DECADES ago.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them
False, see above. The US is one of the LEAST representative “democracies” in the world even when you DON’T count legal corruption as corruption.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
BIG “criticizing Biden means you love Trump” energy 🙄
They are trolling, yes. Part of their campaign message was also quite clear about simply not being Trump
They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
Exactly.
They’ll do even better because they can cynically fundraise off it. Almost like they lose on purpose and all their bleating about saving democracy is not to be taken seriously when they had four fucking years to try trump for j6 but slow walked it instead.
Just like they shouldn’t be taken seriously for protecting abortion rights when they had fifty fucking years to codify roe v Wade.
Or how they shouldn’t be taken seriously regarding healthcare when it was one of their own senators (there’s always a patsy) tanked single payer healthcare.
Same with raising the minimum wage. There’s always a patsy willing to play ball for the donor class.
What are they supposed to do?
The majority voted for Trump. What more is there to discuss?
The majority didn’t vote at all.
Like in the Trolley problem, not making a choice is itself a choice.
No, and that’s their fault.
It’s very unfortunate but that’s the way it is. Deal with it and stop complaining. Find a good way to win the next election instead.
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About 36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. That’s not a majority. Can we be accurate with facts here?
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They could at least stand behind the messaging from the campaign.
If you call someone a dangerous threat to democracy for a year, and then when they get elected you wish them well and act civil, it really undermines your point about the whole threat to democracy thing.
Exactly. I believe Trump truly is an existential threat to the world and American democracy. To Biden and Harris, it was just campaign jargon.
They are a threat because they will do what you want Biden to do.
Wall, I for one appreciate when someone acta civil. Especially when they can’t do anything anyway.
Because you have no fight in you. Was MLK civil? More than Malcolm, maybe, but no he wasn’t.
Bernie Sanders has more fight right now than anyone in the upper echelons of the DNC.
They weren’t president though.
Presidents, president candidates, and other persons of similar power should just accept that they lost and not do another trump. That’s unless you want a political climate where every election there are fights regarding who won and a bunch of bullshit childish behaviour.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
But by all means you should protest every day of his presidency. But also remember that you guys choose this yourselves.
I didn’t choose hitler 2.0, no. I find this complacency you have revolting.
The correct time to do something about Trump was 4 years ago after January 6th. He should be in prison on sedition.
The correct time to smile as you hand the keys over is never. And yet, that’s what the democrats are doing.
No acknowledgment of their colossal failure,
no acknowledgment of their present unelectibility,
no acknowledgment of how hard things are about to be for people,
no leadership about what to do now that our government is owned by X.com,
no resistance.I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
If you honestly think that. You should consider moving to another country.
Or revolt or something.
I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
What are you asking for then? Should they just frown or make angry comments? Why, what’s the point?
Sounds like you are just asking for a therapist.
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
Absolutely. It will quite the sight to behold, lol.
What are you asking for then?
Literally anything to rebuild public faith.
If you haven’t seen it, this was Bernie Sander’s response to Trump’s victory given while Kamala Harris, our last hope, was on vacation.
The DNC is so beaurocratic, toothless, and boring that they lost to someone who holds the bible upside down.
And why? Because they don’t believe in anything. They’re soulless husks that amber about doing whatever their corporate donors tell them will sell to their demographics right now.
What should they do? I’d love to hear one of them present a single fucking idea. Even a bad one.
Blue states, round the national guard, project yourself as a safe haven for the would-be deported. Blue in the senate, obstruct and delay as much as possible. Pull the fire alarm, I don’t know. The system has crumbled, act like it.
Anyway, I’ve been soapboxing for long enough. You have a good day, man.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
Apparently, you wrote the rule book and Biden and Harris are following it.
Bruh, yeah obviously I wrote my own opinions.
So you’re an idiot.
Rude!
It’s okay if your hot take isn’t popular, don’t take it out on everyone else though…
With effort and imagination, insults can be amusing, interesting, outrageous, or profound.Please give us higher-quality insults, or no insults at all.
He’s an idiot screeching for decorum during the fall of the Republic, he doesn’t deserve better and coating an insult in wit doesn’t change its nature or intent.
screeching
Holy hyperbole batman, your reading comprehension might need some work.
Oh, look. They’re flocking.
The majority voted for Trump in a country with voter suppression, gerrymandering, and even terrorist threats against voters / poll workers. I don’t know what to think of that statistic in light of… many exhausting decades of bullshit.
So what? What are they supposed to do?
Stage an insurrection?
Hah can you imagine? I’m just dubious about Trump having a mandate.
yeah this stuff is so rediculous. What if they had warned? then the meme would go to the next goalpost or whatever.
A PLURALITY voted for Trump, NOT a majority. Don’t help them with their propaganda
It was a simple majority or relative majority.
Either way trump got 49,9% while Harris got 48,3% so he absolutely got a major majority if you ignore the ones that would never win anyway.
And 49,9% is obviously so close to 50% anyways so not rounding is pretty much only pedantic.
How many eligible voters didn’t vote?
Why does that matter? Who cares what those apathetic idiots think?
Because using the technically correct word is better and important, especially when dealing with lying, manipulating propagandists who will bully their way as much as possible.
People that don’t vote are completely irrelevant in a discussion about an election.
Was it truly majority? And is it 100% certain there was no fraud?
I heard in finland’s news there was somekind of arson attack at some point which destroyed bunch of votes, while the elections were still going but i have no idea how much. I dont think they would fabricate such news.
Afaik there is no evidence to the contrary.
No evidence as in it has been investigated reliably and nothing was found or as in nothing has been done because there is no obvious evidence?
I’m like you, no expert on American elections, but as far as I know no evidence exists which necessitates a more in depth investigation than what’s usual.
If you search there are loads of attempts by russians to influence the election but none seem to have been very successful. So there has certainly been attempts but there is nothing pointing to any influence great enough to sway the election in any way.
I assume you were referring to this article earlier: https://www.hs.fi/maailma/art-2000010793845.html
In the first incident only 3 ballots were damaged and in the later incident roughly 488 were damaged. https://apnews.com/article/ballot-drop-box-fires-portland-vancouver-60fea753ceb761624e6aba49f0e9dd99
The vast majority of the damaged ballots were able to be identified so replacement ballots could be sent. Only 6 were unidentifiable. A few more may have burned down completely and weren’t even able to be unidentifiable.
I just cant believe actual majority of americans would want that idiot in power.
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Yeah, I absolutely get that.
It’s honestly quite sad.
Good thing we didn’t vote! We might have changed this!
If enough people voted, the Democrats would have given people free health care, stopped financing wars, torture and genocide, close Guantanamo, improve public transit, boost public education, and lowered the cost of groceries. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, they could be in power and bring change. Of course!
Assuming you meant it sarcastically, this is brilliant.
It is. I’m not American but we are facing similar issues where I live and it’s a bit insulting to be told that simply voting would change anything.
We (and the US) have alternated between two major parties for decades. They have had ample time to show us how they run things. And from what we’ve seen, it’s difficult to assume that anything would be different the next time they are in power.
That’s my perspective. The two parties take turns steering the Titanic. Democrats seek compromise with the icebergs. Republicans look for more and bigger icebergs, full speed ahead.
We humans need to be about an order of magnitude more unruly in order to survive our own banal ideologies.
Please, can we be?! 🙏
US politics has had two major parties since the beginning (Useful Charts YT channel ). They’ve splintered and switched around names and policies, and some third parties have popped up for causes, but the system is biased to keep two in power.
Just pointing out that the last time Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority and the Presidency, it was for 73 days in 2009 and Obamacare was passed.
Yeah, they think they’re making a clever point, but Democrats literally tried to do many of those things, and were consistently blocked by Republicans.
I swear, these people have no fucking concept of how their own country functions.
You’re right that they don’t have any idea how the country functions. When polled 3/4 of Americans can’t name the 3 branches of government. Only 17 states require students to pass a civics test to graduate high school. Only 9 states and DC require students to take a year of US government or civics. 8 states have no civics requirements at all.
Almost as if it’s by design…
You do have to vote for the right ones in the primaries first. Someone being a part of a coalition does not mean they universally support all of a certain set of issues. Universal health care is a good example, some dems support it and some do not. Need to primary in the ones that do.
Except the Dems have no obligation to primary candidates other than the ones that they choose, legally or otherwise.
Not to say don’t go out and vote, but the corporate Dems have an incentive to prevent things from changing for the better of anyone except for the oligarchy. It’s the ratchet effect - Republicans drive things ever further to the right, and Dems keep it from moving one way or another, thereby turning the extreme into the status quo.
We’re going to have to fight the Dems as well to get this stuff done.
I think it’s less an oligarchic conspiracy to keep power and more often a misguided belief that neo-liberalism is a viable political philosophy, alongside our campaign finance laws leaving us fundamentally vulnerable in a way that cannot be fixed without an amendment or winning the Supreme Court finally. Not that there aren’t oligarchs that want more power, but blaming everything on them is missing half the picture of the reality of our situation. We would still be in this mess without any oligarchs, so long as the other two problems remain, as they create more systemic weaknesses.
I basically agree with you 100%. I think the whole thing is a series of shortsighted choices that have led to a situation where we have an essentially unmoving class of politicians in control who care more about their purse strings than they do actually solving anything, and nothing the average person can do about it. The only people who could really fix the issues in the system are dependent on those issues to keep their jobs.
I also didn’t mean that politicians are oligarchs, regardless of party. They’re servants to the oligarchs of the US - people like Bezos and Musk.
Sure, I understand what an oligarch is. I just think their influence is overestimated, and the amount of people that think neo-liberalism is legitimately a good thing from a philosophical standpoint is underestimated.
People tend to blame that on oligarchs, which is a convenient cop-out imo. Oligarchs have become this boogey-man we can conveniently blame our problems on instead of having to take a more critical look at our problems in things like messaging and communication.
edit: Like, look at Joe Rogan. I don’t think his success in communication is due to oligarchy in any of its forms. That’s an example of the kind of communication and outreach that we lack, though. They’ve got it, we don’t.
I mean, a lot of news outlets are owned by the same groups funding politicians on both sides and far right think tanks. After 9/11, somebody bought up over 500 local news channels with the express purpose of running more anti-Muslim news.
There isn’t some big conspiracy going on, but the facts of US politics are that since Reagan, the laws have been made based largely on the whims of the rich. More often than the majority, at least. And what do the rich want? More money. And dumb, angry people have been great for revenue. So the rich make decisions to benefit their bottom line, and politicians are beholden to their corporate sponsors, and it all leads down the rabbit hole of grifters and tech bros and all. Not in some long con conspiracy, but in idiots chasing infinite growth and infinite profits with no thought for 2 years down the road.
I think there’s a big issue with Dems in their messaging, both in style and who they platform to, but the extremists have an advantage here: people think emotionally, not rationally. So if your job is to tell people that it’s not their fault their lives suck, it’s the fault of (insert minority group here), that’s going to be a lot more palatable to people than “Biden added 500,000 jobs to the economy during his presidency” when much of the country have to choose between food and heat this week.
I also agree with the neo-liberalism (also, both sides-ism and centrists), but I think that also can be partially blamed on the Dems, and also our culture in general. The Dems have been the party of “reaching across the aisle” since before I was born, and my entire life it has only allowed things to get worse. The Dems clearly have a losing strategy, but they’ve tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas because they refuse to let truly progressive candidates lead the party for fear of giving up their power/positions (and their corporate sponsors).
It was going this way no matter what and the only question was how soon based on the voting choices we’re allowed to have.
People not voting is a symptom of the inherent contradictions of our system and we’re ignoring this and other symptoms because they seem fixable; they’re not but we’re going to try anyways because we don’t know better and we don’t know better because we’re told that we have the best system our entire lives.
I mean Americans oversaw the transfer of power to fascists.
Sure Biden/Kamala should be issuing a warning, although they already have, many times. But the situation we find ourselves in is squarely on Americans.
Yeah, this post has big “third party voter” energy.
No American alive today had a say in the electoral college, yet it gave Bush Jr. and Donald Trump presidential powers despite the masses being against them. Americans weren’t in charge of the completely farcical 2000 election, Jeb Bush was. This time around, sure. The people have chosen this. Only after decades of witnessing how little representation they truly have.
If you haven’t heard of the brooks brothers riot look it up. A who’s who of Republican operatives who were handsomely rewarded after succeeding in the 2000 coup.
They held a vote over if you wanted them to do something, and democrat voters stayed home while republicans showed up. We have literally no one to blame but ourselves. Vote if you get another chance, fight for that chance if you don’t.
Edit: Please don’t respond with your pathetic excuses for supporting fascism, I’m not reading them. I don’t care how you justified it.
False. The democrats ran a terrible campaign. Biden refused to step down, until it was too late to primary. They forced a candidate upon the country without a democratic process. Their campaign had terrible messaging and was tone deaf to the real situation the working class faces. They were unable to convince millions of voters that showed out for them last time to show up again. The democrats are more concerned with protecting their donors than they are protecting the working class and winning. Until you and everyone else oblivious can come to grips with this, nothing will change.
And before you say anything stupid, I voted for her.
OP isn’t wrong and neither are you. Democrats didn’t show up, republicans did that is why Harris lost.
But Harris lost because of everything you wrote as well.
Don’t forget the last 4 years of failing to deliver any meaningful improvements for the people who voted in 2020 or even stopping republicans from banning abortion. Also a year and a half of facilitating genocide while encouraging universities to beat the shit out of the very same politically-active students who would otherwise be campaigning for the democrats.
What were they supposed to do without enough votes to pass policy? That doesn’t excuse them from not taking the gloves off and being very vocal about the roadblocks.
Gaza, while an issue is not moving the needle for the majority of voters.
What were they supposed to do without enough votes to pass policy?
Use executive orders. Instead of asking the SCOTUS to tell texas to remove the child drowning fence across the rio, and look like you don’t actually want it gone, send in a tank to tear it out. The commander in chief can just do that. They can also order military hospitals to provide women with reproductive healthcare.
Did you not remember the Trump administration, where he’d try something new every week, and even if it did get shut down, getting told “no” after you’ve already accomplished what you wanted is better than not trying at all.
Appoint a head of the DoJ that would throw Trump in prison and investigate Manchin’s family.
Appoint a head of the DEA who would actually reschedule cannabis. You don’t need congress for these things.
ml users are incapable of nuanced discourse.
This is instance-based hate speech, a direct violation of rule 6.
Please define “hate speech,” because you’re suggesting that your incapability of nuance is an immutable aspect of your character… Just saying.
Life is better if you bring a sense of humor, stranger.
Democrats could of stopped arming Israel but nooooo rather lose an election to fascists
Poor Biden and Harris right? They did their bestest but if the people dont like them then maybe they just won’t talk to them anymore. Good thing we have some adults in the room.
Guess who made an absurd amount of money losing the election? Do people not realize what donations are spent on?
Imagine spending a billion dollars on your elite media and consulting friends just to fucking lose
Edit: You said it better.
Oh boy, now you’re gonna get all the “no, it’s Democrats’ fault that I didn’t vote!” people desperately trying to assuage the guilt they’re feeling for the idiotic decision that they made in the face of countless people pleading with them not to.
I voted for Kamala. The blame is 100% on her and the Democrats for losing. Let’s forget policy entirely and look at their strategic choices. They didn’t hold a primary despite 60% of their own voters wanting a different candidate. They hid signs of Biden’s cognitive decline until they were too public to ignore. When it was clear he could not win, they appointed a successor who failed to win a single state in 2020. She then went on to hire the same people who lost to Trump in 2016, and they lost again by running the same strategy of, “court disaffected Republicans,” which failed n 2016.
It is the job of a political party to get people to vote for their candidate. The party failed to do this through spectacular incompetence. They are the only people who should feel guilty.
This is a real “whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better”. Somehow everyone is compelled to vote for politicians who are complicit in a genocide, but not to vote for anyone else - by the overwhelming argument of “it’s what a lot of people voted for last time so we have to keep doing it”.
And it’s not the fault of the people who voted for the fascist that you’re focused on - or your own fault for voting for someone who’s also a fascist, but more subtle about it - no, it’s only the people who didn’t vote for any kind of fascist, who are at fault for the fascist being elected. I’m sure you think this logic is completely sane and not just the entire reason we have bipartisan fascism and support for genocide in the U.S., not to even get into the global empire.
lololol i have zero guilt over 3rd party vote. harris failed to do her job and present a case that would have made her an appealing candidate and therefor lost to fucking trump, who would have lost to a wet sandwich. Thats 100% entirely harris’ fault for the campaign she ran which was built on ‘not trump, not going to do shit for working class, oh and fuck arab americans genocide is a okay’
Im going to enjoy every minute of this cycle watching tears from a party that has been fucking over americans for my entire life and gaslighting them about it.
FUCKING SAME. it’s schadenfreude drinking liberal tears at this point. They’re so out of touch it’s laughable how much the country hates them.
Netanyahu started a war with Palestine to get liberals pissed off at Democrats who basically have their hands tied due to the Jewish relationship with Dems and Israel being tied to our national security.
hands were not tied. thats a myth. the jewish community itself was divided over gaza. they would not have lost enough votes from the zionists for it to matter if harris bothered promise upholding existing american laws. meanwhile they lost critical demographics in key in two swing states that did cost them those states while simultaneously showing every minority group in the nation that they’re willing to toss any of them under the bus.
The fuck are they supposed to do!? We as Americans voted Trump or didn’t vote at all. Therefore, the fascists won.
Trump got the same votes as last time basically.
Democrats didn’t show up. Again.
I think too many of them felt complacent in the idea that Trump couldn’t win…
Do you think it has nothing to do with perpetually online kids screaming the word “genocide” all over the internet like they know what they’re talking about?
No that’s probably a lot to do with it.
Given all the “We’re staying home because Kamala’s bad for Palestine… Wait Trump won? But he’s WORSE for Palestine, how could this happen!!!”
Yeah…
Edit: Well this aged like milk since Trump apparently just saved Palestine via getting Israel to ceasefire
Meanwhile a ceasefire is in the works to start when trump gets in office. Meaning it could of been done the entire biden admin but wasn’t. More liberal cope.
Yeah I… don’t know what’s going on here, between this and Trump actively telling his party he doesn’t give a shit what transpeople do I’m wondering if he’s somehow… I dunno I don’t wanna say good for the country, but… something outside of my expectaiton has happened
I’m not surprised. Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of a bait and switch. Except the christofascists are bloodthirsty and would turn on him in a heartbeat - remember how they booed him over the covid vaccine?
Edit - also there’s no saying that just because israel “agrees” to a ceasefire means they’ll actually follow through with it. For all we know it’s a wink and a nod.
“If only someone had warned us…”
Maybe it isn’t the fault of kids who oppose genocide… But it has to do with genocide joe and kamalacaust supporting a genocide?
Those kids are idiots who don’t understand how the world works. At best. At worst they’re know what they’re doing and lying for money.
The choice wasn’t genocide or rainbows. The choice was allowing the other country to do genocide or actively participating in the worst version of it. That was painfully, totally obvious to everyone with half a brain. Those people in question helped promoting the second choice that is worse for everyone but couple of rich dudes. They are absolutely to blame for what they did. They weren’t the only party to blame, but they absolutely were part of it.Biden was already doing the worst. The bar is in hell and can’t go much lower.
What an enormously disconnected, braindead, blind and stupid thing to say. The inability to see the reality will doom humanity, that’s for sure.
It is a fucking genocide. I’m Jewish. Never forget means never forget. Apparently to liberals it means forget when convenient because my team needs to win the imperialist capitalist Olympics!
And you think bringing to power the person who promised to make fucking genocide worse will do something good?
Do you understand what actions and consequences are?
Do you think it has nothing to do with perpetually online kids screaming the word “genocide” all over the internet like they know what they’re talking about?
Boy, you really shoehorned that in.
Are you disputing that there’s a genocide against Palestinians? Are you disputing the Biden administration’s singular role in facilitating that genocide? Do you disagree that genocide is the worst crime mankind is capable of, short of perhaps total nuclear annihilation of all life? I’m not a “single issue” voter, but boy, if I had to pick one issue, it’d be fucking genocide. I honestly don’t know how you people live with yourselves.
I am describing the situation where people thought that they are chosing between a genocide and no genocide, where in reality it was absolutely painfully obvious that they were choosing between a lot of good with a little genocide and everything being worse and genocide being the worst of the worse.
And now every thing that Trump will do worse than Kamala ever was able to do is in part those people’s fault.
Because, and it’s weird that I need to repeat this so often, when you’re making a choice you need to chose of available options and can’t wish for a secret non-existent option. That never worked and that didn’t work this time either.
I wish I didn’t know how you people live with yourselves, but I unfortunately know.Can you literally just answer the questions I asked, instead of trying to reframe everything from your perspective?
You could probably try to read what I’m writing, that would help.
In summary they’re ok with genocide so long as their preferred candidate wins. Typical liberal.
If you think the people who don’t like seeing American bombs ripping children apart day in and day out were enough to swing the vote, don’t you think the democrats should have listened to us?
You had the choice between bad and worse. not an appealing choice. but everyone knew those who liked the orange monkey would go vote. so not voting, in protest against bad is a vote for worse.
so yes, the democrats in usa have lost the connection to their base. however, this doesn’t give anyone able to vote, the right to blame them for an elected baboon.
“You were handed a choice by the same system committing genocide, it’s on you to unquestioningly accept that choice and not seek any alternative, thereby guaranteeing all manner of crimes against humanity will continue indefinitely. I think this because I’m incapable of understanding that both parties supporting genocide completely discredits any theory about their political independence.”
You seeked an alternative, turns out the alternative is Trump. Do you feel good about what you have found? Are you capable of admitting to yourself that seeking of alternative would be better if there was a little less unhinged fascism?
I bet you feel better now, when more bombs will bomb more children and you helped this happen.
I did not make genocide unpopular. I did not make ending covid protections, doing fuckall about roe or the SCOTUS, failing to cancel student debt, failing to reschedule cannabis, quadrupling the tariff on chinese solar panels, EVs, and batteries all decrease turnout.
So when presented with a choice between an evil and something that wasn’t all that effective at combating this evil, you decided to chose evil. That one effective evil that was so effective at bringing evil.
And now you are trying to convince yourself that it wasn’t your fault
They could’ve held a primary… Like a democracy kinda thing?
Remember, the Democrats aren’t allowed to call the Republicans fascists. It might hurt their feelings, and the Dem’s corporate masters don’t want any Republicans to have their feelings hurt. That’s why “weird” got tossed to the wayside despite being effective, that’s why Biden was chastised for calling Trump garbage, and that’s why even though Trump was “an enormous threat to our democracy,” the Dems refused to call a spade a spade. Meanwhile, Republicans are allowed to scrape the shit from their ass and sling it wherever they want.
What did you really expect the controlled opposition to do? Give a rousing speech about the tough times ahead? Inspire worker solidarity? The DNC is the poster child for corrupt old boomers, they do not give a fuck. They made millions of dollars off this election and will see zero consequence.
What I expect from Democrats in power is spinelessness and acquiescence, and they almost always deliver.
And yet, you all would vote for them in the blink of an eye again if the opportunity presented itself
Well, sure. You’re either with Team D or you’re with The Terrorists.
All we can do is vote for Dems. And when we do vote for Dems, all we can do is vote for the least offensive-to-conservatives Dems, in hopes that Liz Cheney can break away enough angry racist Memaws and Pep Peps to swing the election.
And when that fails, all we can do is blame those damned leftists for parading around with their stupid little “Stop Doing Genocide In Gaza” placards, because that’s obviously the reason Donald Trump is president.
Then we need to organize and unionize and agitate and protest for a few weeks in January when its the least influential or effective. After which we need to be reasonable and serious about compromising with the moderate wing of fascism again.
Hey, don’t fucking lump me in with those assholes. I’ve been calling out the Blue MAGA bullshit from the second .world started pushing it.
Yeah Trump won the election. That is how democracy works.
Reporter: “Would you ceded the election if you lose?”
Trump: “If it’s a fair election.”
The reds prepped for MONTHS if not longer to fight democracy if Trump lost. They had loads of active cases up until the election on loads of bullshit interference. Which all promptly disappeared when Trump won.
Democracy isn’t the issue. It’s the corruption of these rich assholes.
Also that they act in lock step, dissidents will be rooted out. So they become a (seemingly) united front, which helps immensely at systematically eroding democratic institutions or destroying political enemies
how it should work. we saw 4 years ago how that is not how it works under said fascism
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Don’t blame them, blame the people who didn’t vote
But also blame the DNC for running a de-energizing campaign yet again.
People who weren’t energized enough by the perspective of Trump don’t count as citizens anyway. I don’t know what type of energy you personally wanted, but nothing will work on those who saw Trump’s shitshow and decided to sit this one out because Kamala didn’t dance enough or whatever
I think people were more tired because Kamala was dancing too much. As in, she and Biden were just there for show and didn’t really accomplish much. I did vote for her, but it wasn’t because of anything they did.
It might be because you didn’t pay attention to what the administration actually did. There is a problem that US citizens fundamentally don’t know what the president can or can’t do and what the processes are.
My main concern always has been and always will be Climate Change. His BBB program was never going to address that in a serious way.
It would have been nice to have more efforts reuniting those separated families that happened during Trump.
For me, the economy comes in way behind those issues.
I recently looked specifically for info on the separated kids, and all I could quickly find was an article saying the Biden administration had re-united several hundred families, but without any estimate of how many remained probably -permanently separated. Do you know a source for actual numbers on this?
Maybe the fact that people need to be “energized” in order to fucking vote is the problem?
Like I’m sorry, but “you just didn’t energize me enough” is not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever. Just goes to show the depth of the average American voter. Just completely devoid of critical thought.
not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever
I’m so sick of authoritarian pricks pretending they get to decide what is and is not valid in our system. People not voting is valid and the DNC failed to get them to change their mind
Stop huffing copium and deal with reality
My favorite is the old standby, “If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain.”
The DNC has more power and resources to do something about it then I do. I can chew out individual people I meet, but I don’t really have the logistical rouses to go around telling 160 million people that Trump would be worse.
And yes, the American voter lacks critical thought. It’s something that takes a back seat to sports or job training in public education.
Let’s blame everyone for everything they did wrong. Blaming people who did nothing before you blame the actual Trump voters is literally insane.
No, blame Biden and his stupid arrogance.
The man knows his brain is melting AND he knows his presidency is unpopular, but sure, he’s going to waste months of campaign time and tens of millions of dollars, and then, to make it even better, he’s going to make sure no one in the Democratic Party tries to react to it like a reasonable person and politician.
Biden made plenty of mistakes but ultimately the people who didn’t vote are the most directly responsible, full stop.
The people who voted for Trump are obviously the most directly responsible, full stop with parking brake.
And so they deserve fascism.
This attitude will forever lose, you know that, right? This unwillingness to adapt is loser behavior.
And so they deserve fascism.
Yeah, the person you replied to definitely did not say that.
Yes, they did.
This is the same smarmy, condescending attitude we got with Hillary Clinton. The DNC refuses to learn anything, they patronize people with “the stars shine brightest in the night sky,” and turn their nose up at their base for being too stupid to know what’s good for them.
It’s not enough to be ‘correct’ when the ship is sinking, we have to win.
Very inspiring, and all that, but I still don’t see where that person said that anyone “deserves” fascism.
Each individual voter only had a say in their own vote unless they campaigned as well. Biden was in the position to change how he was seen by all voters. Who has more responsibility here?
The democrats knew genocide decreases voter turnout. They did it anyway. The democrats knew ending covid protections, banning tiktok, restarting student loan repayments, etc all lower voter turnout. They did it anyway.
You can wish that we lived in a world where these things didn’t lower voter turnout, but that’s not productive.
Only the democrats had the power to change the outcome of this election.
If the US had Defensive Democracy, then maybe they could do something.
But instead, we have whoever wins (aka: gets the most rich doners) gets to become president, even if they want to violate the very oath they are about to take.
Which means that the only thing that can stop the orange idiot is one high ranking military officer having the courage to arrest him as a domestic threat to America. Although that would come with its own set of problems. In other words, we’re fucked.
That would be considered an illegal coup, however ethical that act might be, it wont be legal, and thus nobody would do it. So yes indeed, we’re fucked.
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People who hate democrats calling for the democrats to overthrow the US government to save them after voting third party. Lol.
after
voting third partyafter not bothering to vote at all.
Edit: You can downvote if you like, but 88 million Americans sat on their arses instead of going out to prevent this shit show. That’s 11 million more than voted for either candidate.
It’s always the same tune with these “folks”.
They shoot themselves in the foot and go online to lament about how they’re oppressed now and it’s gotta be someone else’s fault.
It’s honestly embarrassing and makes the left look bad.
And I’m sure someone will come in here to tell me that I’m a “shitlib” or something and not a leftist, because I don’t pass their horseshit purity test.
This is why the left can never do shit. Nobody else is the “correct” kind of left in their mind, and therefore they refuse to even deal with them, let alone attempt to form any kind of coalition. It’s so fucking cringe to anybody who lives in the real world.
Not supporting genocide is hardly a purity test. Typical liberal cope.
What would you be without straw men? So sad.
What other purity test are you referring to then? It’s genocide. That’s your purity test.
By these “folks”… You’re talking about genocide joe and kamalacaust, right?
Didn’t Eisenhower or some president warn about the dangers of the burgeoning military indistrial complex in his farewell address?
And Eisenhower is remembered for it, respected for it, 60+ years later.
Biden and Harris will say nothing.
Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
they’ve said a lot of statements of caution
Who said what again?
their entire campaign was based on it. come on now bud don’t be dense. it was a shit campaign but it was 100% about what a danger trump was. they lost because they brought nothing else to the table and that was the problem.
The subject at hand is the coming transfer of power to fascists, not the election. Since November 5, 2024, Biden and Harris have had nothing to say.
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dense it is. there is nothing to say. they lost, because they did a shit job on the campaign trail and a meh job during their administration.
biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot
Simply untrue.
it made headlines… simply google it.
also, his farewell speech was all warnings….
also, you’re a twatDuring the campaign, Biden and Harris each alluded to Trump being a fascist, once, in answer to insistent questioning. You said “biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot,” which is simply untrue.
His farewell speech was more than I’d expected, though.
Not interested in insults.
i’m not interested in willful ignorance
They spent their admin continuing many of Trump’s worst policies. Even put his deportation and fossil fuel extraction numbers to shame.
They’re not worried about it.
