Pedantic rant, but I hate people saying they “believe” in science. Science is not a matter of belief. It’s the realm of the empirical.
Leave belief to religion and knowledge to science. Mixing the two turns out bad every time.
I quite like that expression. It seems accurate to me, since, as it was pointed out by another commenter replying to you, people do not, in fact, check the experiments themselves, ensure that proper methodology was used, etc. They simply believe what the people in authority positions are telling them, so the word believe is quite accurate - you do not actually know the reasons why certain beliefs, theories are accepted by the scientific community, you just take their word for it.
Furthermore, any scientist does the same thing to the body research that was developed before him, otherwise, every scientist would have to start over.
But you do have to believe though. If you are just a brain in a jar, then all your empirical evidences are just illusions. At the very least you have to have faith that that’s not the case.
I think people are more talking about believing in scientific institutions to ensure credibility and good faith research. Not necessarily that an individual institution is credible, but more the scientific community as a whole can be relied on.
Science is absolute, however the way we interpret and understand it isn’t flawless and at the end of the day some level of belief has to be put into the fallible people behind it.
If science, as it is practised is flawed, by your own admission, what do you mean when you say that it is absolute?
The scientific laws that govern how everything functions from subatomic particles, to beehive structure, to gravity are absolute and unchanging. Our understanding of them is flawed and changes over time, but the laws themselves can’t be changed.
I believe in science. I believe that the study show that (because I haven’t read them). I believe that I will continue using my phone because even with good efforts my body is still killing itself happily.
So, fuck you body. Dopamine rectangle goes brrrrrr.
After waking up? I’ve never heard this. My brain turns right back off if I don’t put a screen in front of my face. Have I been doing this wrong all this time???
I wake up to electronic birds coming out of my magic rectangle, i gaze upon it as the tiny sun fills my shell with life for yet another day.
Hmm, interesting. Somewhat compelling, but:
- it’s a rather small (n=38) Chinese pilot study
- the effect on the sleep latency is sizable (a latency decrease from 31±14 to 18±12 minutes, effect size of 0.85), but there’s no effect on actual sleep duration.
- the sleep measurements were subjective (sleep diaries, not actigraphy)
I’m also a bit concerned why it’s the only study with this methodology in this later meta-analysis - all of the other “behavioral intervention” studies in it experiment with stuff like “extended time-in-bed”. In other words, there seems to not have been any followup or replication of this study.
Enough of your borax pointdexter!
Me, who uses my phone before and after bed, with no issues getting or staying asleep: lol
Curious if you use dark mode, reduced brightness, or the feature that shifts away from blue light at night. I use all those and I think that’s why my phone use doesn’t seem to affect my sleep. In fact, I often fall asleep mid-scroll.
Dark mode and reduced brightness 24/7, and I don’t think I use a blue light filter, but the black and white night mode comes on when I charge my phone at night. But I’m also looking at regular monitors until about 10 min before I go lay down, so idk.
Interesting, thanks for the response. Same as my situation except I use the blue light filter on most if not all my devices. I am so used to it, don’t even notice that it looks kind of orange anymore.
I’m running CF.Lumen on Android which lets me turn the color all the way down to 1000k and I’m still so used to it that it’s only “kind of” orange to me. Most people can’t help but comment on it when they see it though. The default “night light” on Android is so weak, I don’t even know why they bother including the intensity slider. It slides from “no effect” to “barely noticeable”. Is there anyone who sets it to anything but full power?
I also go full red-scale after midnight, which is noticeable even to me. Web designers, please check your UI with a grayscale filter to make sure every element has a decent contrast with its surroundings. In the meantime, I can easily switch back to 1000k when the red is hindering me.
Wait, morning phone bad too?
It’s bad for me, but not for that reason.
It’s bad for me because I piss a whole hour or two of my morning away doomscrolling. That makes me late to work. So I end up staying later to make up lost time, I get home late, and then I wonder why I have no time at the end of the day to do anything…
I’m doing it right now, in fact. I will stop.
Same. Gotta get it under control. I’m definitely unmedicated ADD
Lolol I maybe just sit on the throne for 5 minutes longer than I should 😂. But what, am I meant to sit on the throne and read a magazine, like a dirty commoner?? 😤
Perfect description of what I do most days. 😬
I woke up, opened Lemmy, and this was the first post I saw lmao
Same, is this a sign?
No one’s gonna drag you up, to get into the light where you belong.
Wasn’t it confirmed recently to be total nonsense and nothing to do with circadian rhythms? Compared to the sun a phone puts out very little light and the circadian rhythm only respond to slow changes in light, not on and off in a short time.
It’s more about your phone keeping your mind active instead of relaxing and going to sleep. But if you already can’t sleep because your mind is churning on something, a bit of distraction might actually help. It’s very personal and not a clear cut rule on who has trouble sleeping from phone use or when to put down the phone.
So it isn’t like using your phone before sleeping will never have an effect on how well you get to sleep. But it has nothing to do with blue light or circadian rhythms.
Couldn’t find the study confirming this. Can you link to it, please?
I think there are multiple, I read an article recently where it was stated by an expert. But checking back now they don’t link any sources except the name of the expert, which seems to be a respected expert in the field, but that means nothing in the end.
This is one of the papers I could find within 2 mins, but I think there have been multiple papers on this.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-023-01791-7
There has also been a lot of criticism on the original study that said blue light from phones was the issue, so there are probably a lot of response papers to be found about that.
The whole “blue light” thing is the new “wifi is going to give you cancer”.
tbh almost every time I see a system settings panel or a program that lets you reduce blue light on a schedule, it’s always accompanied with a description that sounds like “reducing blue light may help you sleep better”. I don’t think there are many people touting it as some sort of scientific neurological thing, it’s just that many users have a personal preference for reduced blue light at nighttime, and the developers want to accommodate that preference. Not everything has to be backed up by scientific research, sometimes people just like things.
Some years ago I started reading in bed before going to sleep. Pretty much always, I’m reading a book on my tablet. Now I find that the habit/routine of it helps me go to sleep.
The exception is when the book is so engrossing that I have a hard time putting it down and end up staying awake longer than I should.
Probably also varies depending on the type of content people are checking while on their phone. I can stay awake forever playing Balatro while reading usually knocks me out real quick.
Just one more run…
I think what was proven wrong was the significance of the color of light. The original study had people using iPads at like maximum brightness.
The migraine afterwards would probably keep me awake, too.
The best thing I found to help me sleep well was getting my adhd diagnosis and meds. It’s so much easier to sleep when the voices in your head shut the fuck up
But just to be clear, I believe it.
I just don’t do it.
Science isn’t the boss of me. Just my body, mind, and pretty much everything else.
reactance theory informs us that whenever a person tells us what to do and how to do it, we respond with defensive defiance because we want to maximize our personal freedom and decision-making.
Just cos I know it’s good advice doesn’t make me want to do it, and if I don’t want to do it, I can’t, that’s just science.
I sleep so much better after I started doing this. Seriously, try it out for like a week/month and you’ll never go back, I swear
Can confirm. I used to have sleep issues (like anyone else in the 21st century). Now I love jumping into bed because I go out like a rock
Science is about finding the rules that govern the universe… And then trying to break them.
Scientism is bad for you
Edit: To all the downvoters, I’m not dissing Science. Science is a wonderous method for finding the truth of the universe. However Scientism is the logical fallacy that all there is to know is known by science already and can only be known by science. Or in essence, treating Science as an infalliable religion, when even scientists will not do that if they value their jobs.
Hey my doc says I got one of them in my eye
I believe it’s bad
Dgaf
