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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new “king”
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Makes me feel a lot less confident about having a protonmail account. Best alternatives for privacy?
Keep in mind this is only one of five board members of the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG
Still a decision maker and able to convince other members though.
still not a good look when your selling point was being outside of 5/9/14 eyes and you’re cozying up to the government of objectively the worst country, privacywise
Thank you.
Tuta?
Enshittifying
How?
They give you poorly disguised ads that you can’t unsubscribe from in the form of a “news letter”. These appear as emails in your inbox with special styling that sticks out. They’ve recently started pushing new features in the Calendar that you need to be the higher paying tier to use, but they still have special styling to make them stand out. If you try to use them, you get a huge popup saying you need to upgrade. They’ve been removing features from the lower tiers and demand you upgrade to keep using it.
Every time I open my inbox, I got a new notification about either upgrading to a paid tier, or the exact same thing but disguised as a feature announcement.
If you’re looking for a new home, Disroot has free email services with a one-time payment if you want a custom domain attached. I’m just giving them the money I used to give Tuta every month. I don’t want to sound like a shill, so I’ll keep it short: I believe in Disroot far more than I ever did Tuta because Tuta was a business and Disroot is a movement. Disroot isn’t in a position where a fat cat investor is gonna start squeezing them for a return. Their last finance report also looked pretty good.
I’m tempted, but Disroot has two things that will probably keep me away, unfortunately.
- Email is stored unencrypted on their servers
- The site is associated with political activism
There are technical reasons for #1 being true (and ultimately, even if they encrypted the email, I would have to trust them anyway) but this opens extra venues for exploitation. Coupled with #2, the site may be targeted by activist groups who don’t like the politics associated with them, or participants on the service might be automatically associated with it. Personally, either of these issues on their own tends to be enough for me to avoid a service. I respect Disroot but it’s probably not for me.
Best? Hosting an encrypted email server in your own house. As a service, mailfence seems to be a decent alternative
Can you elaborate on what software or solution would allow someone to host an encrypted email server? Would outgoing messages be encrypted or just encrypted at rest? What about if you also had your family member on the same setup and you wrote to each other, would it be encrypted?
Perhaps riseup if youre an anarchist or posteo if youre willing to pay a low fee?
I use posteo myself. Its alright and reliable. Would try Riseup (kinda got political) but idk anyone to ask for an invite code
disroot.org maybe
I like them
The fuck? Way to flush the credibility they built down the drain.
Money.
I guess Andy or the proton social media team has started using the corporate bluesky account to discuss it now.
Oof, using the Official brand account to post shit like this? 🤨
Did the other 4 board members of his Non-Profit organization (that owns Proton AG btw) approve this, or did Andy Yen got too comfortable and see himself as a king?
Absolutely big off to post that shit from an official account. He’s not the only one working at Proton and this is not going to play well with proton users.
I’m seriously thinking about looking at alternatives. He must’ve gotten too much money now and gone republican.
interesting that it’s deleted now
anyone got a screenshot?
Wow they really need to get in check. I do have the screenshots
Hilarious, talks about corporate Dems yet is supporting corporate Republicans. Elon Musk is arguably the face of big tech and so acting like Trump is going to ‘do something’ to big tech is also delusional. Big tech has already gotten out the checkbooks and kissed the ring down in Florida.
Thiel, Musk, Zuck, and Bezos among others.
It’s beyond parody that you’d pretend Republicans aren’t owned by corporate and tech interests, I quite frankly don’t believe he believes it.
ugh gross they think trump, who has big tech ceos lining up at his door, or the republicans, who want to kill encryption and vpn accesses are going to tackle big tech? welp time to get a refund.
We didn’t get what we wanted so we choose evil.
Never used em but i feel for people who did.
Muted and blocked. Got it.
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No one going to comment the Trump absolutely did not write that? Read it; completely coherent, proper English, all that.
Not one all caps word. No fuckin way he wrote that.
Well… The word “FAIRLY” was written in all caps.
Was considering them, now I’m not. I’ll keep using mullvad.
Yikes. I was just about to shell out for Proton VPN, but now I won’t.
I would suggest Mullvad as a trustworthy alternative.
I too can vouch for Mullvad, excellent service and privacy
Speedrun any% to kiss that ring
I was wondering, is proton as trustworthy as everybody says? I generally dislike it because its closed source, but that makes sense considering they have to host servers. but this makes it seem… uncredible. any alternative to protonmail?
I generally dislike it because its closed source
I mean, the user clients are open source (right? correct me if I’m wrong). So if you compile it yourself, it should be safe.
So for the contents of email, drive, calandar, those things should be safe. They could secretly keep a log of metadata and IP addresses, tho. The VPN, yea that is basically just requiring trust
Also, Proton AG is now controlled by a Non-Profit organization, Andy Yen is only one of the five board members.
Proton better shut this dude up as I really don’t want to find a new platform :|
bad news, Proton’s official reddit account doubled-down on it as a company position (edit: but it was also him too)
ugh, gross. i just signed up for a month to try and get away from google and the rest of the us companies bending the knee. how to trust proton that they won’t give up your data the second trump asks now? time to get a refund and put it toward infomaniak sigh
I just dislike that they had to take a political stance at all. Companies and celebrities should stay out of politics and focus on what they’re good at/known for.
Don’t agree completely. Celebrities are people too, they can use their voice to do good and activate people with regards to politics. Kinda cruel to just say “focus on what you’re known for, which is a pretty face. I don’t care about anything else that makes you human”
I feel like the rules are different here. This dude is not a celebrity, he is a CEO of a company which mission is to provide a secure and private email service. I don’t care about him as a person, he represents his company here. His job is to make sure that the data of his customers does not get in the wrong hands, and being as apolitical as possible is part of it. (Unless it’s speaking up against laws that will undermine his business such as banning encryption, but that’s not what’s happening here).
Their reach means they should shut up when it comes to things they have no credibility in. I don’t want a physics professor giving their opinion on RNA vaccines in their class just like I don’t want the singer for a major band giving their opinion on politics.
You know what the physics professor and singer have in common? They can both cast a vote and partake in politics.
Their position makes them able to influence masses of people so they should still refrain from sharing their opinions on subject they have no qualifications to talk about.
We have billionaires starting 1 million dollar lotteries to make people vote certain way and you are worried that a singer’s opinion will affect the outcome?
Do you really think I have nothing against that billionaire?
I understand concern about scientific concepts, but who in your mind has the authority to talk about politics? IMO everyone should have freedom to talk about it, because when it comes to politics no one really is an “expert”.
I’m talking about Musicians playing music, actors acting, sports people playing sports, etc. stick to what they’re good at and known for, not a pretty face.
Same deal. Just because they make music you like, doesn’t mean that’s all there is to them. Musicians, actors, athletes are also individuals with experiences and perspectives that can inspire or activate positive change. Sure, their main talent might be what they’re famous for, but that doesn’t mean their opinions on important matters are invalid. Dismissing their voices entirely just because they have a certain job is a dumb idea.
We differ in opinions, that’s all. I appreciate these people for their talents in what they are known for and that’s why most people are aware of them. I don’t want to start disliking them because they start getting political all of a sudden.
For instance, many many actors use firearms in their scenes but then come out as an anti-gun person. For one I believe in the right to bear arms, not that it’s a huge deal that the actor believes the other way but what really bothers me would be the hypocrisy. They should simply not pick roles or films based around firearms. I just want to enjoy the movie, not be immersed in their politics.
I’m sure you can find counter examples to this and some would hold up in history and exceptions to the rule but the vast majority of people that fit my statement just want more attention
Maybe it’d be better if people on Lemmy stuck to what they’re good at by posting memes and cat pictures and staying out of politics.
I don’t really have a well-written reply for this, but I can see your firearms angle. I invite you to read this: https://www.arc.unsw.edu.au/blitz/read/under-their-influence-should-celebrities-stay-out-of-politicsquestion
The democratic process is designed for participation. So, if celebrities can get more people involved, this means that ordinary people will have more control over how their country is run.
I’m reminded of someone making a comment just like this to Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine…
One: When you pick up a guitar, you don’t put down your First Amendment rights.
Two: When people tell you to shut up and play guitar or complain that artists are speaking out – it’s only because they disagree with what you’re saying. That’s not complicated.
I’d also note that quite a bit of the music out there, throughout history, has been political.
I’d also point out that by your own position on this, you too should stfu about politics.
There are entire genres of music that are inherently political
I am suddenly reminded of the words “shut up and sing”.
I mean, I don’t agree with his politics. But this opinion is no different than telling football players to shut up and play football when they were speaking out against systemic violence against minority black communities.
Echo the disagreement. Yes it makes like more complicated, but it is important to know who/what you are supporting.
Not normalizing traitors to the species isn’t exactly “political”, it’s the lowest imaginable bar, and he couldn’t clear it.
I’m sure all these species traitors will be put to the wall when aliens invade. Earth is for humans!
I believe that but it would be good to have a source and an archive of the original tweet.
https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660
https://archive.is/l1WYU (idk why archive.is is taking so long to archive it… but wait a bit and the archived link should be up)
Not the first time, he also paised trump for… checks notes posing for a photo right after he (supposedly) got shot.
https://x.com/andyyen/status/1812442643726537182
Like that was the dumbest thing to do after getting shot, standing out in the open so a second shooter have time to aim again, how is that worthy of a praise?
But keep in mind, this guy is only one of five board members of the Non-Profit organization that owns Proton AG.
Thanks, you’re awesome! (I could not find those sources by myself…)
If the other 4 don’t get rid of him, they’re just as complicit. I’m giving them 3 months to decide.
FFS. Unfortunately there really isn’t a good alternative to Proton right now (don’t @ me about Tuta until you’ve seen how much downtime they had recently).
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They use examples of when they did pro-left actions in the apology and explanation , but they never once proclaimed with their official account support for the left, and that’s the difference.
The apology and explanation fell way short of the mark. He tried to appease the facists and alienated Proton top clients.
