Summary
Organizers of the 2017 Women’s March are planning the “People’s March” on January 18, 2025, ahead of Donald Trump’s second inauguration.
Unlike the record-breaking 2017 protest with 500,000 people, this multi-issue demonstration, addressing abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, climate change, and more, expects a smaller turnout of 50,000.
Organizers acknowledge shifting political dynamics and aim to build a sustainable movement by connecting participants with advocacy organizations.
I’m anxious to see entire cities and states ignore the dude.
NYC - Eric Adams is straight up a trumper
Eric Adams is for Eric Adams. He needs a pardon because he is fucked.
If you like hating Eric Adams, I highly recommend the Eric Adams takes/episode from the If Books Could Kill Podcast.
and at the same time, Eric Adams is somehow a democrat. But I’m told the party leaders didnt turn right, the Dem voters did, or some such nonsense?
He ran on the Democratic ticket, but he’s by no means a democrat. The only people who like him are cops and landlords
Anxious or excited?
I mean generally the central administration of a state getting weaker is not a good sign.
In America, nation-state is different than a state. I have a tinge of a libertarian streak about me so take that as you will. Suppositionally, the idea that states have a lot of autonomy against the federal state is actually a good thing. It means that the more liberal of the states have more control of their destiny.
If you had asked me this 20 years ago I would have said the opposite, but personally, now, I’m very thankful that I don’t live in a place where a state does not have a check and balance against the federation.
Doesn’t that make the state just a smaller federation? What happens when a city goes against a state? How about if a neighborhood goes against a city?
Sure, happens all the time. Tell me NYC and Albany are aligned. Tell me the people of Austin align with greater Texas. Tell me the people on Staten Island align with the rest of NYC or that the goals of Manhattan and Brooklyn are aligned.
They are bizarre things, our ape brains. We align well in small 100+ tribes…the higher the order of magnitude gets, the fewer common threads there are to keep us all together. But tribes do need safety and security, and tribes can come together to realize economies of scale, so that’s really where nation-states can thrive.
I thought we were talking about defying laws, not alignment.
So what if NYC says they are going to follow a different law from New York State and then Staten Island says they are going to follow a different law from either.
Are you wanting some ridiculously balkanized nation where laws change drastically once you cross over an imaginary border line?
This is literally how you end up with things like women being executed for having an abortion.
I’m concerned about the next 4 years.
Nothing is permanent
Need to get this tattooed
You can cover it up later if you get tired of it.
Nothing is permanent
Maybe not, but some types of damage can take a very long time to heal.
At least for DC it was near freezing and rainy yesterday, so I suspect that significantly lowered turnout.
well it worked so well the first time
Resistance to Trump was fairly successful. It’s one reason his first administration was so ineffective.
It’s kind of scary that people are responding so passively and pessimistically this time. We need to rally and energize if we’re going to make it through the next 4 years and protect the people his administration seeks to harm.
At that time his own administration fought against him. This time round we don’t have that. We also lost house senate and the courts.
We are fucked. Enjoy the ride.
I don’t disagree with you, but things are different this time around.
- They learned, regrouped, and have an actual plan. They’re also emboldened because they won the popular vote.
- Trump seems unable to actually face consequences for his many wide-ranging crimes. He will never see justice. People are resigned that no matter what he does in life, punishment will never come for him. It’s easy to feel resigned when you’re up against someone like that and there’s no more hope to be had.
If a corrupt system will not bring justice, that is all the more reason to fight the corrupt system.
I think one problem in the US is that the less reactionary part of the elites heavily played down the systemic issues of the US and pretended Trump was just a temporary hiccup instead of a symptom of a deeply corrupted system.
You can see it in Bidens leaving speach, talking about an oligarchy under Trump, completely ignorant of the long existing oligarchy in the US.
Yep, a lot of people resisted at great personal expense, and then they see that the institutions that they ‘defended’ didn’t do their part when they regained power.
I’m sure people will still resist Trump, but they’re not going to count on the Democratic party to do their part any more.
that is all the more reason to fight the corrupt system
Or to consider how else justice can be done.
Bush never faced consequences for his, nor did Nixon (arguably), Kissinger, Reagan, or W. It’s been all crimes at the top for decades.
It’s kind of scary that people are responding so passively and pessimistically this time.
I’m arguably part of the problem here. The fact that he won again, and that Dems ran the 2016 playbook again, and that they have openly moved to the right on various issues since 2020, and will probably run the 2016 playbook again in 2028 even if they would deserve another vote, has really just taken the wind out of my sails.
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I’m fucking tired of fighting for nothing. I’m done, I’m looking for a way out
It’s one reason his first administration was so ineffective.
They were ineffective because they’re incompetent.
I love supporting protests and am quick to point out how they can shift attitudes (e.g. occupy) but I would struggle to say one positive result from the pussy hat protest. Can you help me there?
If I had to guess, I would say it helped him with his base more than hurt him or helped the opposition/our side rally support.
The protests against his abusive anti-protest tactics were a lot more successful in rallying support on our side, for example. Didn’t last more than a couple months, but still
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And what? Put our faith in democrats again. Democrats who had every opportunity to stop this insanity and they put up the most pathetic fight I’ve ever seen. Tripping over themselves to show they have no problem transferring power to fascists. I don’t know how you don’t see it. Trump didn’t gain any voters in 2024. The DNC didn’t show up.
No, not at all. We should build an independent liberatory movement that exists primarily outside of the political system.
I agree. <3you
Don’t worry, I was told that a second Trump administration would rejuvenate the enthusiasm of the American left-wing to oppose government tyranny
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Yeah, the accelerationist argument. Some Germans used that in the 1930s too. How did that work out?
The same people peddling that argument, sadly, will assert, unironically, “Thalmann did nothing wrong”.
There’s no getting through to them. They’re as blinkered and evidence-averse as the conservatives they claim to oppose.
Awkward that we just finished a genocide under dem leadership though isnt it. Spit on the accelerationist argument all you want, but you cant deny that things are badly broken when the dem leadership and their centrist toadies are the ones doing it-- all for some campaign money. Accelerationists have a very solid point when you consider that.
Lol, are you high? Republicans are the ones replicating blood lible but directed against immigrants. They are really he ones calling for and end to transgender ideology (Magnus Hearschfeld institute, look it up) like yeah Dems are little bitches for two stepping when Israel demands, but to say they are following Hitler is stupid when the Repubs are doing it step for step, and the Dems at least sometimes say no.
You’re comparing an existential threat that you care about to one that has a massive tally of dead bodies. And the dems funding the genocide and running cover for it – you claim thats simply, " two stepping when Israel demands".
And then you call me stupid.
And then you pretend “the Dems at least sometimes say no”. Who cares what they “sometime say”. Its not about saying things its about actions. The only pushback Biden ever gave the Israelis was pausing one shipment for a short time-- which is nothing. A purely performative nothing.
You sir or madame are just a victim of propoganda and your own self centeredness and immorality. Theres dead bodies there killed with your support and you try to sweep it under the rug with a turn of phrase. Thats pathetic and monstrous.
We only got a second trump term because the center wing of the party was so disinterested in opposing it.
Protesting trump will do nothing. People should be marching in the street protesting the stupidity of the people who voted for him. They will be the end of our freedoms. It’s a cult!
I plan to write a sternly worded memo on my grievances and mail it straight to a white house intern.
/s
Do you always swallow propaganda designed to target your anger against other poor people?
Just because someone is poor doesn’t mean they’re not a scumbag.
Source: I grew up poor, knew a lot of them.
Just because someone is poor and trapped in a country where there isn’t a democracy doesn’t mean they’re a scumbag
voting for drumpf does indeed make one a scumbag.
Yes. I’m referring to the people who didn’t vote or didn’t vote for him.
Because one can say voting for Harris makes someone a scumbag
You’ve never had a bigot who is also poor get right up in their face with their hatred for people like you existing spilling out of them, have you?
Of course I have. I’m not saying Trump supporters are good people.
I’m saying that the reason Trump got elected is because we dont live in a democracy. You want to fix the issue? Blame the plutocrats and the election system. Dont blame the few voters who voted for Trump. There’s not that many of them, and you’re wasting your time on them.
Fix the democracy and you’ll fix the issue.
Just to be clear, I am not, nor did I ever say that poor people are stupid. Stupid people have every range of income, as do smart people. Having or lacking money does not determine your intelligence level. Elon musk has a fuck-ton of money and is one of the dumbest people to ever live on Earth. Maga is a cult and only stupid people fall into it.
I went to the March for Science and was glad I did. It was cold and rainy but everyone was having a good time. Got to hear some great speakers and geek out with other scientists. It was really encouraging to see the scientific community come together. I’m hoping we will see more of that this time around.
Damnit I wish I had known about this sooner. I’m traveling tomorrow and this is important.
Wait until it’s warm and he has to be in DC, then organize the march, also make it a gun show
Protesting against democracy, that’s a good look.
Protesting is democracy 🙄
I don’t think you understand how dictatorships work.
Sure, but we’ve been BSing each other about the fact that we have a democracy at all anyway.
“Princeton University study: Public opinion has “near-zero” impact on U.S. law.” https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fbaNo one debates the veracity of that study, and arguably, that detachedness is why the dems lost in every single demographic in the last election, except for a 1% gain in college educated white men. Its past time we started talking about the fact that we dont live in a democracy.
Protesting the incoming kleptocratic, kakistocratic oligarchy. Not the democracy they want to do away with.
