ID: text says:
"Liberal: How can you go to bed at night after promoting violence? I get that they’re Nazis but it’s still violence.
Me:"
Bellow is an image of Homer Simpson asleep, tucked in to a cosy looking bed with a big contented smile on his face.
I’m confused. I think of myself as a progressive liberal, and I think that people who threaten a tolerant society should be destroyed. This includes Nazis. Kill on sight. What about this isn’t liberalism? Am I retarded?
If nothing else, you certainly are an ableist, and ableists don’t get my time of day.
Bad actors and idiots who think things aren’t bad or can’t get worse. That’s who’s saying these things. Some people weren’t personally effected by Trump and have no empathy for anyone who was, but watch Daily Show to feel good about themselves.
Liberally applying violence to a problem.
When fascism comes knock’en, it’s best to just dock’em
Nazis aren’t people.
“B-b-but you’re not better, you’re dehumanizing them and they are people with thoughts and feefees!”
Fuck them - if you’re a literal Nazi, you’re no better than a rabid dog and should be killed.
👍
Nazism is a self chosen path. They’re choosing to ignore basic human instinct for cooperation to feel better about their own inadequacies. They’re dehumanizing themselves.
Nazis are people. That’s the first step to acceptance.
Step 2.
Step 3. profit
The point of not dehumanising them isn’t to spare their feelings, nor to avoid “sinking to their level”, it’s because dehumanising them removes their responsability and accountability for their own actions, as well as ignores the systemic nature of the issues we’re facing, making it entirely counterproductive.
They very much ARE people, people who are choosing to harm other people for their own gain because we live under systems, invented designed implemented and enforced by people that actively and deliberately encourage them to do so, for the ultimate benefit of said hand full of people.
Rabid dogs have no choice, they are not responsible for their actions, they have no way out of their condition, and ultimately when they die, unless they bit another animal, the problem will not persist, none of which can be said for nazis.
Enabler.
How does essentially saying “they’re actually worse than rabid dogs” make them an enabler?
Lol, ok
The CCP helped get Nazis in the White House, Tankies are all Nazi supporters.
Next to my wife
Nazi lives dont matter
The only good authoritarian is a dead one.
Bash the fasc
They’re trying to label antifa as a terrorist org. Think about that for a second.
Edit: thanks to @[email protected] it’s come to my attention that this is not widely covered. Link to the bill is below
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/26
What boggles my mind is, I can’t find any articles talking about it. I had to read the actual document submitted to Congress.
It’s complicity in the media is what it is.
This is the big problem with centrist media fact checkers: paltering doesn’t count towards the tallying of deceptions.
They don’t want to be seen as sympathetic in any way to scary terrorist antifa. The mainstream media is compromised.
These fuckers in the new regime are trying to go after NPR for fuck’s sake, which if anything sanewashed Trump extensively. Just reporting the words he said is not biased.
fucking morons. antifa is a concept, not a “org” like the proud pussy boys
the bad thing is they can label anyone they want as “antifa” then detain them without any actual charges.
“that’s illegal!!!”
yea. and?
habeas corpus, due process, “innocent until proven guilty” – bid farewell to all that, and anything else that was protecting you from them and not the other way around
Pretty sure “innocent until proven guilty” has been out the window for decades. How many people are currently locked up before their trial? I can name at least one.
I don’t want to speak against my hero but people have been locked up pretrial for the entire history of the country. I’m not defending the practice really, it’s just innocent until proven guilty refers to the trial part.
“just leave fascism to fester and spread until it requires another world war, that’s much less violent”
Makes total sense.
Makes total sense.
It does, when you realise they’re confident enough in their privilege to believe (often rightfully) that a world war won’t impact them personally.
This post was designed to just piss people off. It serves no other purpose.
It’s just pure imagination. A power fantasy. Bet op has never bashed a Nazis skull in.
Lies. It also made me feel good. Two purposes.
Well, go bitch about it on liberal.world.
k. I expect to be banned here for wrong-think. Been banned from communities on this instance for incredibly benign shit.
You’re not gonna get banned for being a lib. You’re just gonna get made fun of. This isn’t Lemmy.world, and we’re not gonna coddle you to make you feel better.
There are a lot of leftists on .world. I’m not going to stand by while you bully someone for their instance. Yeah I wish I hadn’t picked .world but I did. I didn’t know shit about Lemmy.
I’m not going to abandon my account history. I have only been censored once and that was over some extremely profane unnecessary things I suggested be done with a judge’s body after he killed himself. I was in the wrong. It takes that level of bullshit to get censored.
I don’t even particularly like the commenter I’m defending. In fact I disagree with them often, including their comment on this post.
I think you misunderstood. He’s not gonna get made fun of here for being from Lemmy.world. He’s gonna get made fun of for being a liberal, complaining in an anarchist community about people being mean to liberals.
The bit about Lemmy.world was to point out that the mods here aren’t gonna stop people from making fun of him in the name of some contrived “civility”.
Fair enough. If I were to switch instances this is the one I would pick for what it’s worth. I’m going to register my name.
As far as the bigger instances go, this one certainly has a lower tolerance for bullshit from mods. I’m pretty happy with the way it’s being run. Just wish I had the money to toss at the server costs.
I’m so sad that you labelled me something without knowledge of jack shit about me!
You’re right. I’m sure you’re such a hoot in real life.
Yeah – all of you “lIbErAl” haters are so funny with your jokes that totally aren’t blind hate or anything. It’s actually just great jokes.
I mean, if you feel advocating violence against Nazis is hating on liberals, maybe you should really think about what your ideology is supporting.
You’re whining enough for all of us jfc you’re everywhere just picking fights.
Omg you can’t be here on this instance, the AI will steal all the incredibly important things you have to say! Run boy, run!
Are you worried about violence?
be safe people
mask up
gloves
leave your phone at home
and ffs don’t post about it --anywhereBurner phone bought with cash set to auto upload to somewhere untraceable. After you are far away and safe.
If can’t afford that and feel you need to document, disable all location tracking on your phone and put it in airplane mode. Do not take it out of airplane mode unless there is an extreme emergency. Not even wifi allowed. Disable all biometric unlock. Make a long PIN and memorize it, don’t write it down. Keep the phone locked or set it up to lock with one click in case it is taken from you.
Just in total agreement here about everything else but we need proof.
If you’re organizing use E2E comms and if you’re researching use Tor Browser. Better yet use a Tails USB on a coffee shop wifi.
https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-use-signal
https://www.torproject.org/download/
https://tails.net/doc/first_steps/index.en.html
And don’t communicate over email, even encrypted email.
Violence against Nazi isn’t violence, it’s exercising your civic duty.
Punch a local nazi today!
Going online and telling other people to commit violence is incredibly easy. It also has little to no impact on actual violent activity.
By contrast, you’ve got politicians actively running cover for paramilitary in the US. If you can shoot someone and get away with it - as in during the Rittenhouse murder, the Daniel Perry murder, the NYPD subway shooting, various murders of migrants on the border… you can take this all the way back to Rodney King or the MOVE Bombing if you like - then you have a strong incentive to do it again.
By contrast, if you’re a Christopher Dorner or a Micah Xavier Johnson or a John Allen Muhammad or a Luigi Mangione, state officials will have unlimited resources and full license to take them in dead or alive.
Consider a case in Houston Texas of police demolishing the side of a building to get at a suspect of a police shooting
You can talk all the shit you want about fascists but when push comes to shove where do you think you’re going to be standing? Fascism works because the fascists are killers and the shitposters are terminally online dorks.
And where pray tell will you stand? What conversations are you having in the meat space? You talk a lot about the real world in your comment replies but I see very little talk about proposed solutions or actionable content. You seem to yell at the same clouds of those that you chide. Just from a different angle.
If you can shoot someone and get away with it - as in during the Rittenhouse murder
This was absolutely clear-cut self defense, and there is so much direct video evidence out there accessible to the public, including the whole damned trial, that anyone who still claims Rittenhouse “murdered” anyone in Kenosha is outing themselves as an ideologue who readily rejects inconvenient facts.
It’s not murder to stop someone who is literally in the middle of an attempt to kill you, and “he shouldn’t have been there” is ‘she was asking for it by choosing to dress that way’-tier apologism.
No way. The kid took a guy illegally across state lines with the intention to intimidate if not shoot protestors to protect fucking insured business property. He went there with ill intent, it was recognized, and people fearfully reacted to subdue him.
He got his wish. He got to shoot two and walked scott free. Then made a bunch of money while psychopaths took him on tour around the country for people to cheer because he shot some “liberals.”
I don’t care about the fact that he thought he was fighting for his life. Maybe he was. But he engineered that situation himself. That is not at all comparable with the choosing to dress that way bullshit.
The kid took a gun illegally across state lines
This is literally untrue at one end and deliberately deceitful on the other. Literally the only portion of that sentence that is correct and not misleading is “the kid”, lmao:
- He didn’t take possession of the rifle until the morning after he arrived in Kenosha
- “State lines” is deceitfully repeated ad nauseam, stating something that’s literally true, but is obviously stated specifically that way with the intent to create the illusion that he traveled a great distance, far away from his community. But here are the facts:
- He traveled 20 miles–he literally lived on the other side of the border.
- He used to work there, his father lives there, etc.–this WAS his community, lol.
Pretty hilarious that the very first thing you retort with is both false and deceitful. People like you don’t even know the most basic facts of the matter, and what you do know, you deliberately twist with deceitful intent. You’ve got your narrative, and damned if you aren’t going to stick to it like glue, no matter what the reality is.
Thanks for proving my point so succinctly.
I wasn’t aware the distance was so short or he had connections to the area. That’s fair and thank you for educating me.
The fact remains the took a gun to “protect” insured businesses. The real reason was to intimidate or get a chance to shoot a “liberal”.
I mean no deceit.
I’m with you on intent. He had no place being there, and it surely wasn’t to protect anyone.
But the guy above is correct in regards to the event’s timeline/order of action. Rittenhouse sucks, he was a child who was radicalised to hate and to fear others, and then he cried (like the child he was, at 17) in front of a panel and got brought into the conservative media fold where he now, as an adult, is an absolute shit stain for not recognizing his actions or the vitriol of the people around him. I pity 17 year old Rittenhouse, no one is adult enough at that age to be carrying a gun in that kind of a situation with that kind of mindset. The 22 year old he is now doesn’t get that pity.
Copypasting this comment I copied from lemmy a couple months ago.
Sorry OP I can’t remeber who you are.“One of the core tenants of neoliberal education is that violence is always wrong, it’s never the answer, etc. They repeat it so often and in so many places because it’s at obvious odds with the state. They use violence against us so often and on such wide scales that their only option is to convince that it’s not violence.
Over producing with limited resources is violence. Throwing away food while people starve is violence. Leaving buildings empty while people die of the cold on the street is violence. Preventing the sick and dying from accessing healthcare is violence. Evicting people from their homes is violence. Depriving the chronically ill and physically disabled of the means of survival because they can’t generate capital for capitalists is violence. Climate change is violence.
The truth is that they deeply fear what we would do if we actually recognized all those things as violence. They do literally everything in their power to prevent us from achieving class consciousness. They have infected literally every single facet of society in an effort to keep us from seeing each other as human.”
Edit: Nevermind I found the original comment. All credit goes to @[email protected]
None dare speak of Social Murder.
I can see why you saved that, that’s very well said.
Liberals have been defending arming neo-Nazis in Europe, and arming a genocide. Accept the fact that they are also Nazis.
Capital will always turn to fascism, when the people demand equity.
sadly neo-nazis in Europe are already armed :/
In large part because Congress lifted a ban on arming them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/06/10/azov-brigade-ukraine-us-weapons/
more info for the downvotes ☞ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/the-prince-the-plotters-and-the-would-be-putsch-germany-to-try-far-right-coup-gang
looks like they are armed pathetically
Wait, which Neo-nazis in Europe are we talking about again?
LoL. Why does it matter?
This ‘wait, are they the good Nazis?’ is exactly how we got here. There are no good Nazis, period.
They’re trying to determine if you’re labelling Ukraine as Nazis, which your reaction confirms, was a good thing to determine
Exactly. There are Nazis they support. But I didn’t just decide to call them that- they call themselves that. Which is why Congress had to lift the ban on arming Nazis in order to send them arms.
If your reaction to criticism of Nazis is ‘wait- which Nazis?,’ you’re a Nazi supporter.
The undeniable urge for liberals to find middle ground with fascists is exactly why things have been allowed to get this bad.
If your reaction to criticism of Nazis is ‘wait- which Nazis?,’ you’re a Nazi supporter.
It might be that you’re asking to see if someone is misusing the term. If you want to ignore that possibility, you probably don’t give much of a shit about nazis, but rather want to demonize a group for other reasons.
Go ahead, tell me I support nazis again. I do not care. I don’t, said nothing like that, and am making a valid point. Make whatever choices you need to in order to protect yourself.
edit: gonna guess their only priority here is to stand with Russia and against Ukraine.
You sure you don’t support Nazis? Because you eagerly jumped to their defense right here in the comments. I didn’t accuse you of supporting them- you are right here supporting them.
If someone calls themselves a Nazi, and you support them, you are by definition a Nazi supporter.
You sure you have a fucking shred of evidence I did any of that shit? Are you sure you can read?
No one here called themself a nazi.
edit: actually just blocking you, don’t worry about it
Edit2: what this guy really is saying “you need to actually know if someone is a Nazi before killing them? That makes you a Nazi!!!”. Fucking braindead
The tankie “you’re a nazi” insult has nearly as much weight as the zionist “you’re antisemitic”.
How does it make me a tankie to point out someone wearing Nazi patches on their uniform? Why is it that I’m the problem for pointing out they shouldn’t erect monuments of Nazis? If I say ‘we should re-instate the ban on arming Nazis,’ why do you get upset?
What’s funny is liberals are upset at conservatives gaslighting Musk’s open Nazism, after a decade of defending their own favorite Nazis. Red & Blue MAGA really are two versions of the same problem.
Do they condemn violence against Nazis? As far I have yet seen, they are willing bedfellows to fascists when it comes to economic policies. But I haven’t heard any liberals object to hitting Nazis.
The new 196 mods on Blahaj object to killing Nazis. Telling people to kill Nazis is a bannable offence. They claim it’s against the instance rules, which isn’t true.
Could be insurance to prevent being banned by admins for promoting violence, regardless of who is committing it and to whom being committed against. The r/ChapoTrapHouse got banned by Reddit for incitement to violence; chapotraphouse users went to fediverse to setup lemmy.ml.
Nah. Drag went and talked to Ada about it, and she said she wouldn’t ban anybody for that unless they were actively planning crimes on the site. Drag showed the screenshots to the mods, and they didn’t care. They weren’t scared of the admin, they were hiding their own views behind the admin as an excuse.
