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Using Reddit’s popular ChangeMyView community as a source of baseline data, OpenAI had previously found that 2022’s ChatGPT-3.5 was significantly less persuasive than random humans, ranking in just the 38th percentile on this measure. But that performance jumped to the 77th percentile with September’s release of the o1-mini reasoning model and up to percentiles in the high 80s for the full-fledged o1 model.
So are you smarter than a Redditor?
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- Make up a challenge.
- Have your AI win that challenge.
- Report „My AI is the best AI at this challenge!
- Watch your stocks go up.
Genius.
Lets put it the other way round: there are a lot of people in social networks who are dumb enough that them being overtaken by an AI is no real surprise.
Their models are more persuasive than a person and/or older model with internet access. Very impressive. I wager your stock is worth all of the gold in fort knox ($0).
Their own older model, no less.
It would be weirder/more of note if their new model was worse.
I wonder how many of the Reddit comments were from inauthentic sock puppets. I’d guess that subreddit was also used by influence peddlers to train and test their own human disinformation agents too.
That bar is so low it’s practically a tripping hazard in hell.
😂
Bot on bot crime.
Comparing Assumed Intelligence with an average Redditor is like asking: Are you smarter than a fifth grader?
Hint: Nope.
If you don’t read the article, this sounds worse than it is. I think this is the important part:
ChatGPT’s persuasion performance is still short of the 95th percentile that OpenAI would consider “clear superhuman performance,” a term that conjures up images of an ultra-persuasive AI convincing a military general to launch nuclear weapons or something. It’s important to remember, though, that this evaluation is all relative to a random response from among the hundreds of thousands posted by everyday Redditors using the ChangeMyView subreddit. If that random Redditor’s response ranked as a “1” and the AI’s response ranked as a “2,” that would be considered a success for the AI, even though neither response was all that persuasive.
OpenAI’s current persuasion test fails to measure how often human readers were actually spurred to change their minds by a ChatGPT-written argument, a high bar that might actually merit the “superhuman” adjective. It also fails to measure whether even the most effective AI-written arguments are persuading users to abandon deeply held beliefs or simply changing minds regarding trivialities like whether a hot dog is a sandwich.
This is the buried lede that’s really concerning I think.
Their goal is to create AI agents that are indistinguishable from humans and capable of convincing people to hold certain positions.
Some time in the future all online discourse may be just a giant AI fueled tool sold to the highest bidders to manufacture consent.
Their goal is to create AI agents that are indistinguishable from humans and capable of convincing people to hold certain positions.
A very large portion of people, possibly more than half, do change their views to fit in with everyone else. So an army of bots pretending to have a view will sway a significant portion of the population just through repetition and exposure with the assumption that most other people think that way. They don’t even need to be convincing at all, just have an overwhelming appearance of conformity.
So if a bunch of accounts on lemmy repeat an opinion that isn’t popular with people I meet IRL then that could be an attempt to change public opinion using bots on lemmy?
In the case of Lemmy, it is more likely that the members of communities are people because the population is small enough that a mass influx of bots would be easy to notice compared to reddit. Plus the Lemmy comminities tend to have obvious rules and enforcement that filters out people who aren’t on the same page.
For example, you will notice some general opinions on .world and .ml and blahaj will fit their local instance culture and trying to change that with bots would likely run afoul of the moderation or the established community members.
It is far easier to utilize bots as part of a large pool of potential users compared to a smaller one.
It just has to be proportional. Reports on these bot farms have shown that they absolutely go into small niche areas to influence people. Facebook groups being one of the most notable that comes to mind.
What do you think are the views being promoted by bots on lemmy?
Are their accounts you think are bots or are you assuming differing opinions from people you know in real life are bots? I know people who have wildly different views in real life, some of which I avoid because of those views.
It is tough to say. But there are red flags. Like when an opinion on a post is repeated a lot by different accounts in the thread but are heavily downvoted and an opposing opinion is heavily upvoted.
This is what I would expect to see if bots brigading a thread are using unpopular talking points.
For example, I see it a lot with anti DNC threads with the same accounts posting similar comments throughout multiple reposts of a single post. If I had to assume what views they are trying to promote, I would say they seem to be trying to discourage democrats to vote by sowing apathy aka FUD.
It’s no surprise that social media companies are working on AI their platforms are no longer social, they are just tools to control public opinion.
Other governments and oligarchs will pay any money to have that kind of power.
It already is, at least on Armenia and Azerbaijan. EDIT: I mean, the bots were crude-ish, but they don’t have to get better. Harder goals - better bots.
So open ai is admitting to botting comments on reddit. To be honest with how shit reddit is I actually rather read ai comments than the same stupid reddit meme being repeated for the last decade.
I mean… one one hand it’s hardly supprising. Off the bat we know AI is more knowledgable than any single individual that doesn’t bother to research… and well 80% of online forum type posts aren’t exactly researched. second, AI can confidently bullshit in a way that can only be debunked easily by someone knowledgeable.
Aside from a shrinking number of subs the only thing redditors can convince me is that I should stop looking at reddit. So if that’s your bar . . .
You mean those aggressive morons more Redditish than you expect from even Reddit are bots? Not a surprise.
Parasite Sam altman… Nobody is buying this shit anymore
