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Anonymous: Trump is making America weaker and we’ll exploit it. The international hacker community is preparing to strike against U.S. infrastructure and calls for public awareness against incoming fascism
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Aren’t they kind of notorious for empty promises?
Its more of a chaos entity. Because anyone can be a part of it with literally no steps other than saying “I am Anonymous”, anyone can say or do anything. As a result, one person or group may claim Anonymous while doing a legitimate hack, while another person who is just a script kiddie won’t ever actually do anything and you get this hot and cold, will they won’t they effect as a result.
Hacker fashion tip: while wearing your guy fox mask, match it with a Luigi hat.
The Guy Faux mask is so 2005.
This guy fawks
Just brush the Funyun crumbs off of your shirt before starting.
My final semester in American Sign Language was “Sex, Drugs, and Profanity,” and most of the signs are just exactly what you’d guess. (I held on to those textbooks.) Plus, facial expressions are a big part of the grammar of the language. I don’t recognize this scene, but assuming it’s from a comedy - it’s probably also not far off from accurate.
It’s from the 1982 film Airplane 2: the Sequel. Nowhere near as funny as the original, but still very funny.
Can they do something useful like destroy the debt infrastructure and delete all student loans and medical bills?
Spoiler
You’ve been watching too much Mr. Robot.
A more useful thing would be to do as much damage to Twitter as possible. In fact, why they haven’t attacked Twitter while Musk has been disarming all of its safety protocols is fucking beyond me.
Attacking twitter would be more useful than deleting all debt? I mean go wild, take that shit ass site down but if you had a “delete twitter” button and a “delete all debt” button, mashing the second one would make you the greatest hero who ever lived.
You’re right, What if they publish cheat codes for all Steam games, thus freeing humanity from corporate exploitation???!!!
Debt is monitored/store by many different companies
Even if you took down all data of x health insurance company it would still exist in other places
So I would say that it poses a bigger challenge and you would have to do it at roughly the same time
I’m sure backups and redundancies are “inefficient” since “everything is in the cloud, anyway”.
Anonymous tends to not do useful things. They just talk a lot.
“Anonymous” isn’t like a formal group. The entire point is that anyone can say that they are anonymous. So yeah, people talk a lot. You can do whatever you like as anonymous.
mostly they are spending hours scrolling through social media accounts of certain types of people looking for dox materials. that’s really about it
This is kinda what trump wants. If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization. It hurts more if tech megacorps get hacked. Though at this point I wou’d laugh if a bunch of internet nerds got the nuclear codes or locked up a bunch of satellites
If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization.
It kind of already is privatized. Most of the government’s cyber security efforts are handled by defense contractors.
Imagine if one nuclear head was pointed to every megacorp headquarters in the US.
Ceo residences would do better. Force them all to live in the office hellscape they created.
Don’t point at the HQs, point at their mansions / golf courses / private islands
Tomorrow
Trump: By executive order, I dismantle the computer warfare and defence division
Musk: It doesn’t exist anymore!
The day after
Anonymous: They turned off their service that sanitized all inputs. We just stole everything from every department, and put cats on every governments webpage.
Do it, attack America’s life points directly.
No, my Blue Eyes White Aryan!
By all means do. It’s not like much of value is lost at this point.
It’ll take 40 years to fix the damage he’ll do in 4.
I don’t think 4 years of accelerated climate damage is gonna be fixed in 40 years…
That assumes that we have a party interested in fixing anything.
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will be interested.
hack the planet
Ah, Anonymous—the digital equivalent of a fart in a hurricane. Trump’s America? Weakness isn’t new—it’s baked into the propaganda circus we’ve called democracy since Reagan. You think script kiddies and Elon’s crypto-bros “hacking fascism” will fix anything? Please. The real op is watching tech oligarchs and politicians collude while we argue about which flavor of dystopia we’re slurping.
Infrastructure attacks? Bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it works out when grandma’s dialysis machine gets bricked by some edgelord’s Python script. If you want revolution, stop fetishizing IRC nostalgia and touch grass. Until then, this is just digital graffiti on a burning trash barge.
I’m not going to write off hacktivism so quickly.
Even if it’s just a few defaced websites now and then, that’s a whole lot more effective than any other sort of activism I’ve seen to date.
Even a god king bleeds
Oh, sure, let’s romanticize hacktivism, the digital equivalent of spray-painting a slogan on a collapsing wall. A few defaced websites? That’s your bar for effectiveness? The oligarchs aren’t losing sleep over a 404 page; they’re too busy consolidating power while you cheer for digital vandalism like it’s the French Revolution.
Real change doesn’t come from poking at the system with a keyboard and hoping it flinches. If anything, these stunts just give them more excuses to tighten the noose—more surveillance, more control.
You want to fight the machine? Build something better. Organize. Create infrastructure that can’t be co-opted. Until then, hacktivism is just a tantrum dressed up as resistance.
Settle down mate.
I didn’t say defaced websites are going to take down the government.
My implication was that it would be more effective than ranting on social media.
Settle down? Sure, but let’s not settle for mediocrity. If your metric for effectiveness is being slightly better than social media rants, you’ve already lost the plot. Hacktivism that doesn’t disrupt the system in a meaningful way is just noise—an aesthetic rebellion that the system shrugs off or, worse, absorbs.
You want to be effective? Stop playing into their hands with token gestures. Build tools, networks, and alternatives that outlast their control. Otherwise, you’re just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while calling it progress.
Defacing websites might feel cathartic, but it’s not revolution—it’s a distraction.
Do I sense a fellow collapsnic here? Ah, exiled brother!
Are you okay?
What a pointless thought-terminating comment.
Do you have any actual critiques or just lame regurgitated snark to try to win imaginary points?
Anything supposedly said by “Anonymous” as a hacker group should always be treated with immense skepticism.
There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops, and also semi-legitimate “outlets” for their statements… but there’s also an overwhelming amount of smokescreen bullshit “anon news outlets” and little script kiddies running around. It’s important/intentional that those continue existing as smoke screen for the more “serious” factions.
Beyond that, being an anonymous group with no real methods of confirming membership to outsiders (insiders can just check if you’re in the private IRCs and etc) it means that just about anyone and everyone can make some big declaration like this. The proof will be in the results, not some announcement that could be made by a rando.
No matter who is really making these threats/warnings, I think things are going to get pretty dire in the US government IT space. It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security, and now you have a bunch of young adult tech-bros with no true accountability running roughshod over all of it. Then there’s the fact that more than one of them have “serious black hat hacker” backgrounds.
Going to be one wild ride.
little script kiddies running around
Yeah, they’re running around the Treasury Dept right now.
It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security
Having worked with government agencies and a lot of large private organizations the thing that keeps them mostly secure is the amount of red tape involved with things. Patching a production system requires a teleconference with at least five different people and no one person knows everything.
The idiots without any security experience coming in to “streamline” things will just make the systems even more fragile and insecure.
Known and vetted systems are always the most secure. Until RSA is broken, and then they’ll need to update to a quantum resilient standard. Which we’ve had in the wild for 6 years already and the NIST has officially approved for 2 years.
We’re still at least a decade away from a machine with enough qbits to do it. So i feel like we should be fine.
It’s the fucking Credit Bureaus, Telecoms, and Energy Companies I worry about. They keep fucking up.
Anyone who complies with the NIST standards is in a good place.
The problem is that a lot of places are not in compliance with NIST standards.
I know, I’ve helped patch them.
Yep, but we’ve got at least a decade to do it, and when new systems are stood up they “should” be in compliance.
Based on my experience if we say it needs done in a decade it will never be done.
See also: All the unemployment systems running on FORTRAN
FORTRAN could be said to be security through obscurity though /s
Yeah. I’ve only spent a few moments skimming through the linked article but if you were part of a legitimate hacktivism group planning a significant operation why would you publish this statement ?
It’s really just spooky hyperbole - as though written by an adolescent that want’s to sound scary and powerful.
I would absolutely love to see hacktivists cause some chaos, and maybe even some real financial harm.
The whole point is to being attention to the rise of fascism. Hacking without releasing a statement like this is just terrorism. Releasing a statement after hacking can make it easier for the govt to cover up, like “no we weren’t hacked, someone in our server room just accidentally tripped over a power cable”
I don’t know about government overall, but the military and HHS have has some of the most stringent security stances I’ve encountered. To the point where just working for them was a massive chore. (How effective they were I guess I don’t know, but working for them sucked.)
That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.
Often, ridiculous and onerous procedural security is hiding massively incompetent actual software security or is used to constrain people from discovering security by obscurity holes. Everything I’ve done in government interfacing as a vendor would seem to confirm this, at least back when I was doing it a few years ago. You’d be hard pressed to convince me it’s changed much since.
I once answered a phone call inside a com closet on base. Military IT was already escorting me. Security came because the cameras in the closet detected the camera on my phone. It’s definitely physically tight security.
That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.
I mean, it’s not a secret that governments everywhere run really outdated software (think things like Windows 7 and older) because “it works”, so it really shouldn’t be too surprising.
I had to help the SSA implement SAML authentication once and they weren’t even allowed to share their screen so I could see what they were doing. Totally agree that it’s a massive chore.
I guess its pointless to believe their words since there is no way to know if its them. Just look at what they actually do and judge based on that.
It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs
I’ve seen Muni and Regional gov and also dotcoms.
The Govs I’ve been at were crazy-tight about security. They were unionized and could decide based on conscience vs costs. Dotcoms, though, followed a different trending, one that really focused on costs.
Exploit it you say? Please get in line behind the russians, the chinese snd pretty much all arab countries
What did we do? As if our governments aren’t US vassals? Yet you still demonize us. If Arab governments had any sway our governments wouldn’t be paying tributes and forced to normalize with Israel and host US troops.
The only foreign country that controls US politics and bought US politicians from both major parties is Israel. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know
Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know
Dude, America has spied on even its allies. The bar is pretty low, here.
Saudi Arabia is allegedly spying on Saudis abroad including in the US. Specifically government critics on social media. Saudi Arabia allegedly spied on its citizens in the US through a network flaw
This is bad and probably violates US laws. But it wasn’t targeting the US or US citizens. Meanwhile, Israel is targeting the US and US citizens: Israel Has Long Spied on U.S., Say Officials
Next time a blonde haired blue eyed British man named Lawrence comes asking you to rebel against the Ottomans you’ll think twice, huh
There were legitimate grievances, but most Arabs did not rebel against the Ottomans. In fact many more died fighting for it. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/1/14/the-forgotten-arabs-of-gallipoli
The Saudis did not give the Jared billions for nothing. Just remember, the Saudis and Israelis told Bush to invade Iraq and next up is Iran with Putin’s Sock Puppet in charge. It will be a massive cluster fuck.
Leaders in the region fear that the US will turn their countries into another Iraq so they pay up. Don’t confuse tributes for bribes.
Saudi Arabia opposed the invasion of Iraq. It was Netanyahu that went to congress and sold the war to them.
Saudi Arabia’s Steadfast Opposition to the Invasion of Iraq
https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2023/03/17/iraq-saudi-arabia-saddam-hussein/
Crap, I should have typed the 1st Gulf War and Bush Sr. You are correct about the 2nd invasion, the Saudis did not want Iraq fractured and the Shite’s gaining power through Iran.
In the first Gulf War it was out of necessity. Iraqi troops invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khafji
Even today, other than wealth, Saudi Arabia is a much smaller country than Iraq with half its population -Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-. In 1991 Iraq was much stronger, and much more self sufficient, it could have taken Saudi Arabia in days if it weren’t for the coalition forces.
-Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-.
That’s not inflated, they’re still part of the population…
Maybe they don’t count temporary residents like students and foreign worker permit holders?
Also can they likely can’t be drafted / join their army?
You say that as if Iran hasn’t been financing uprisings, Turkey isn’t openly affectionate with multiple opposing world powers, and as if Afghanistan didn’t fall into chaos literally as the USA were leaving.
Yes, that’s how exploiting works in those videos.
What makes you think Anonymous isn’t filled with the russians, chinese, and pretty much all arab countries?
If it’s not card carrying white republicans hacking America, we’re going to have a problem with it.
What?
Don’t forget the billionaires too.
I’m all for attacking infra - we need to make this shit more resilient and we need to transition to memory-safe langs like Rust. This will hopefully accelerate it. Also, I lol at people saying Trump/Elon/Doge will destroy the US when in reality - these kinds of people who wanna attack it probably have way better chances to do so.
Memory safety is just a small part of infrastructure resilience. Rust doesn’t protect you from phishing attacks. Rust doesn’t protect you from weak passwords. Rust doesn’t protect you from network misconfiguration. (For that matter, Rust doesn’t protect you from some group of twenty-year old assholes installing their own servers inside your network, like you say.) Protecting your estate is not just about a programming language.
“Infrastructure”, to me, suggests power, water, oil and food, more than some random website. For US infra, I’m thinking a lot of Allen-Bradley programmable logic controllers, but probably a lot of Siemens and Mitsubishi stuff as well - things like these: https://www.rockwellautomation.com/en-us/products/hardware/allen-bradley/programmable-controllers.html.
Historically, the controllers for industrial infrastructure (from a single pumping station to critical electrical distribution) have been on their own separate networks, and so things like secure passwords and infrastructure updates haven’t been a priority. Some of these things have been running untouched for decades; thousands of people will have used the (often shared) credentials, which are very rarely updated or changed. The recent change is to demand more visibility and interaction; every SCADA (the main control computer used for interactive plant control) that you bring onto the public internet so that you can see what it’s up to in a central hub, the more opportunity you have to mess up the network security and allow undesirables in.
PLCs tend to be coded up in “ladder logic” and compiled to device-specific assembly language. It isn’t a programming environment where C has made any inroads over the decades; I very much doubt there’s a Rust compiler for some random microcontroller, and “supported by manufacturer” is critical for these industries.
Take my upvote!!!
