I’ve decided to leave Proton after being a user since 2017. Today, I migrated all my services to my new domain, marking the end of my time with Proton. The recent political noise and price point were no longer justifiable for me. It was a good experience while it lasted. Thanks for the fishes 🐟 🐠
What did the migration entail for you? I reckon it’s a huge effort to move the mailing provider. I expect the calendar to be the most straightforward service to move.
If you have a custom domain I assume it’s pretty easy? Just swap the dns
If you have to do it manually - hit all of the important financial ones, then update them every time you get an email. Make sure your storage is under the free tier limit for anything you forgot. (GDPR for you email history as a single download)
I hear you. Last August I prepaid for two years and now I regret it. I’m just going to ride it out since I can’t afford to switch.
Same for me, just in the process of updating my mail adress everywhere again right now.
My renewal was just coming up and I also couldn’t justify it. I’ve switched to a personal domain with my E-Mail and use Infomaniak for mail, calendar and cloud storage an Keepass as my password manager. Positive side effect, I only pay half of what I’ve paid for Proton.
What did you switch to?
Personal domain and an imap provider so that I can easily switch in the future if needed.
Which provider automatically handles pgp encryption for you, like proton?
How are you going to do that? I’m curious because I want to do the same and have email clients on multiple devices.
Many bigger hosting providers also offer email hosting with IMAP access. I currently have a personal domain at a host that offers it, but my email is still hosted with a free Google domains account (it’s grandfathered in for life, but I’m still finally planning to move it to my hosts service).
Most web hosts provide IMAP hosting as part of the service? All you usually have to do is click a button to set it up.
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How do y’all do your email and calendars? Those are the two things that aren’t easy to replace from proton.
Mind, my email needs to be reliable for work reasons.
For e-mail, Tutanota, Posteo, Mailbox.org.
For calendar and contacts, self-hosted Radicale.
Tuta for mail, self hosted calendar with Radicale
I’m onboarding onto Proton now (but WITH my own domain, so I’ll never have to change e-mails again (well, unless I turn out to be trans later and change my name)). For mail I’ve heard of Tuta, I think that’s the only serious alternative.
Ah. I tried tuta, back when I decided to go for proton instead. Their security requirements were more restrictive than I was able to allow for regular email use, although I don’t remember the details of what they were, anymore.
I’ve been using nextcloud for contacts, calendar, and files for many years
Will be easy for me to ditch proton if the bullshit escalates further
Switched to Posteo and Addy.io
I’m out of the loop. What’s happening with Proton?
The CEO endorses the American Nazi Party
They stopped their official Mastodon presence citing having not enough resources to maintain communities everywhere, which caused outrage among the Fediverse.
Previously, they vocally supported the actions of Trump administration on the matters of Internet privacy, which caused a massive backlash.
So, essentially, they have alienated a lot of userbase by making questionable moves.
Imagine thinking installing Felon as an unelected official would be the best approach to putting Tech Bros in place.
I would pay to watch this guy try to put his shoes on in the morning
Any good VPN other than Proton? Almost every one is going down the enshitification route and I’m looking for an alternative.
I’ve been happy with Mullvad. Good no-log policy, audited regularly, and their servers run on RAM. No port forwarding though, as others mentioned.
Mullvad, ivpn
I think the most common alternatives I see recommended are Mullvad and IVPN. Both have a great track record, but also both lack port forwarding if that is an essential feature for you.
I swear by AirVPN. Not the fastest or fanciest, but they’ve got port forwarding and are run by an activist org; I’ve got a lifetime membership IIRC
Be mindful that Italy passed a law forcing vpn’s to block pirated content, and AirVPN is based in Italy.
Does this affect anyone outside of Italy though? When I recently signed up for it it had a huge warning saying they don’t allow Italian residents to use them, nor do they host any Italian servers, I assume so they don’t have to deal with this law at all
I’m not sure how they would distinguish between the two in practice, surely they would block all piracy attempts, not just the ones going to an Italian IP address? It’s an unknown for now, but I would be hesitant to use them until it’s more clear how this could effect privacy.
PIA has been uneventful for a couple years…
PIA is notable for still having port forwarding; Something many other VPNs have ditched. So on that one point, they’re better than others.
However, 4 or 5 years ago they were bought by a company (Kape Technology, formerly known as Crossrider) that has a history of stuffing adware into their programs. Like their business model was basically:
- Buy popular program
- Stuff it with adware
- Get short term profit off of existing user base
- Abandon program after users have fled
- Repeat
Since a VPN provider’s only real source of legitimacy is public trust, the Kape buyout had a lot of customers fleeing to alternatives like Proton. So far, the PIA app has been fine. But Kape could decide at any point to just pump it full of adware and run away with arms full of cash, like they have done in the past. Also, Kape is (or at least was, at the time of the buyout) headed by a known Israeli intelligence agent. So that was another big thing that sent customers scrambling to alternatives.
Thanks. That is a useful brakedown of them. Using them for the last year with zero issues but always important to evaluate.
Windscribe is a good one in my experience - https://windscribe.com/
Man this community has become a Proton bitching party.
You’re all exaggerating. This thing with the tweet is WAY overblown.
It’s not just about a single issue, the company has changed significantly over the past 8 years. It has grown too large and now offers many products that I don’t use. As a result, it no longer aligns with my needs, and I’ve decided to take more control, similar to when I stopped using Gmail. I’m not suggesting you should stop using it, I’m just making a personal choice that works for me.
Then it’s not about that political crap. It’s about it not being what you’re looking for. And that’s fine. But say that instead of the politics being the major reason you’re leaving.
Edit :
And yes it has changed in 8 years.
It improved by providing more than a sinple VPN or a simple email service. But offering a whole suite of tools to compete with Google, which is a pretty fucking ambitious project.
They also changed to being owned by a non profit foundation with a clear mission to which they are legally tied to with a seriously competent team.
As mentioned, it is the noise AND the price. If the service works for you this is great. You do you 👍.
I agree on the products thing. Bitcoin Wallet? WTF. While their staff says supporting drive sync on Linux is hard. (Yet seafile, and Google drive work on Linux)
Google does not support Drive on Linux.
If you add your Online Google Account to GNOME, it integrates your calendar, mail and adds a mapped Gdrive in Nautilus
Yes but that’s not supported by Google. If your going to ding Proton Drive for not having a natove Linux client then you shouldn’t tout Google Drive as a competitor who does, as they don’t. You’re giving Google Drive a free pass because of a third party. Google and Proton are the same on this feature and you should disparage both services equally as a result.
Does Proton have open API that GNOME can leverage same as GDrive?
The official apps are all open source (GPL-3.0, https://github.com/ProtonDriveApps), so even though a formal API isn’t documented it is derivable from the 4 available clients. This is how rclone added support for Proton Drive. So there isn’t really anything stopping GNOME or KDE from supporting it.
Google Drive doesn’t support Linux. Someone made a tool for it (RClone) which also happens to work with GDrive.
And its fine if all the tools Proton provide aren’t for you. I use all of them except the crypto wallet.
But it might be nice to have if one day i do use crypto.
Google drive works with GNOME desktop, you add your Online Account in settings, and it integrates your calendar, Email, and maps a remote GDrive
It’s a GNOME feature that’s not at all developed or supported by Google, but by another GNOME maintainer. That’s what I mean.
Just a side note. Rclone is not the same as GNOME gdrive access. Rclone does a clone of the data to your local, GNOME gives you online access and you basically open from remote like using Seadrive client.
My point being Proton could easily add same online account with GNOME help and do the same.
And KDE and xfce and cinnamon and MATE and Budgie… where does it end?
My point is that Google didn’t implement the feature. Someone else did.
It’s up to the desktop environment’s maintainers or some other developer to implement this.
But it would be nice to have if Proton provided it though, like they did with proton VPN. NGL.
Sure, supporting MAGA is “way overblown”.
Proton is not supporting MAGA.
Andrew Yan made ONE comment about ONE decision Trump took. Sure it was a stupid comment. But PROTON isn’t bad because of this. They’re being run by a foundation with some pretty competent and knowledgeable people on the board of directors, if you ever bothered to look.
Proton is not supporting MAGA.
Whatever you say, I guess. We didn’t read the same thing then.
What the heck are you on about? What does this license have to do with anything?
You posted the same link twice but neither of them mention or seem to relate to Proton?
Some people seem to think that adding a license to their comments will prevent LLMs from using them for training data. It won’t actually help at all, and is born out of a fundamental misunderstanding of how copyright law works.
It got to be pretty popular for a while when Reddit was announcing that they’re selling content as LLM training data. But these days it has become clear that it’s just virtue signaling. Most of us just side-eye the commenters who do it, because it’s basically the Reddit equivalent of one of those “Facebook will begin using all of your data unless you post this status on your page” chain letters.
Even if it legally counted, major AI companies evidently don’t give two shits about legality.
LOL!!! No they don’t!
Weren’t they accused to scraping everything they could off the web, even copyrighted content, to train their AIs?
Ça sert a rien d’être nuancé ici, regardes mon historique de commentaires, les 2 avec -30 votes sont liés exactement au même sujet. Attends toi à la même chose 😁
Oui je sais. C’est con. Tout le monde Embarqué sur le bandwagon sans aucune pensée critique ni aucune nuance. C’est noir ou c’est blanc. Ça résume pas mal l’état des choses en ce moment.
