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I don’t really get the hype for Citizen Kane.
Though, I kinda think it might be because growing up, this movie was spoiled in almost every cartoon I ever saw (“Rosebud” was the punchline of so many jokes) and maybe not knowing the ending would have made it better. 🤷🏻♂️
Mad Max: Fury Road. I thought that was dumbest, most caveman pleasing trash that has ever received that much acclaim. Truly, the entire movie is designed to make a caveman go, “OOhhhH!.. WwAaHh!.. FFIIRE!.. DwWoOah!.. HaHhh!.. OOhhhH! LaDy!!..HhaHh!.. MAD!!..WoOoHhh!”
This thread is crazy, so many hot takes in here!
One of the worst I’ve ever seen is the Korean film ‘Stray Dogs’ (2014). There is so much unnecessary sexual violence towards women in this film and almost none of it has any relevance to the story. It’s not like a rape revenge thing either where the victim eventually comes out on top - in this film the victim is a blind woman who cannot even defend herself with a knife she is given. The supposed protagonist of the film rapes his wife at the beginning and then engages in voyeurism for much of the film while this poor blind woman is raped every single night by the entire town. When he finally decides to do something about it he is absolutely fucking hopeless, as are the townspeople attempting to stop him. It is so misogynistic and poorly written, I have no idea why anyone agreed to be in it. Anyone who enjoyed this film should go on some kind of watch list.
Good Lord some of the answers in this thread. I first thought this was like an unpopular opinion community. Is this all just Edge Lords trying to say the most popular and well regarded movies they can?
Yeah it’s pretty funny. Most of these are just “it’s overrated” complaints, which is not the same as a film being iredeemably bad. Feels like a lot of these people just hate being exposed to opinions that differ from their own, so over time these overrated films have morphed into a 1/10 atrocity in their head despite none of their issues with them actually reflecting that level of hatred. You could definitely make a compelling argument for many of these films being good, and the only reason these people wouldn’t be convinced is because of their aforementioned personality flaw.
Event Horizon.
More of a genre than a particular movie, but any and all video game movies that aren’t the 90s shitshow M•rio movie or the 3 live action Sonic films. I’m talking live action because there have clearly been good video games based animated films like… well I can’t think of any right off hand, but they surely exist.
Princess Bride. The narrative framework of some shitkid not appreciating that his grandpa is Columbo ruins the whole thing. Those two characters should be cut out and then it can be good. …Okay, Peter Falk can stay.
Remove Savage and all the other characters, and just have Falk tell the audience the story without any kind of “imaginary” scenes. It’s just Peter Falk talking into a camera. Preferably wearing Columbo’s signature trench coat.
Avatar
I am not an irritable person, but the ending of the whale Made me get up from my seat and yell “OH COME ON!” To the screen; Frustrating, corny , manipulative misery porn.
No Country For Old Men.
I was actually really enjoying the whole cat and mouse thing until the main fucking character died off-screen.
How does nobody ever talk about how shitty that “plot twist” is? It’s not clever. It’s not entertaining. It’s just bad storytelling. They don’t even show you a good shot of him to convey what actually happened. My girlfriend and I had to rewind it twice because it was so fucking stupid and made so little sense.
That’s actually how I feel about most of the Coen Brothers’ movies. The classical narrative structure exists for a reason. It’s a good framework for telling a story that makes sense.
Sometimes there’s a good artistic reason for diverting from that and telling the story in an unconventional way. Other times it’s just pretentious auteur garbage.
This might come off as pretensions, but you should trust the writers more. The movie, and book, are very well written, and if something doesn’t make sense, you should consider that you missed something.
I’ll say this, Llewelyn Moss is not the main character. The movie doesn’t start or end on him. He doesn’t change or evolve as a character. How he died isn’t the point.
It helps to focus on what Anton Chigurh said about rules, and what the Sheriff says about what he is willing to die for.
If you want me to just spell out the theme, I can do that to, but I think you would enjoy it more if you trust the movie.
Yeah, I’ve heard that before, about how Llewelyn isn’t the main character. Not trying to be rude to you, but that sounds like bullshit. He’s the character I’m rooting for. If the main character isn’t the character I’m rooting for, then that doesn’t sound like an enjoyable movie.
If you’re saying Chigurh is the main character: he doesn’t grow either.
If you’re saying Tommy Lee Jones is the main character (which I’ve heard before), then I’m going to strain my eyes from rolling them so hard. He doesn’t at any point interact with the plot. That’s not good writing.
I get the Coens are doing it differently. They’re not following the rules for how stories should be told. But different isn’t the same as good, and the way they told the story was needlessly confusing and pretentious.
I always find it useful to use food as a metaphor to describe how I feel about movies. If No Country For Old Men were a meal, it would be expertly seasoned and cooked, with one extra ingredient that doesn’t belong there and detracts from the whole thing, like if you made a perfect steak and drenched it in liquorice sauce.
And it would be served on a scrap of driftwood, or in a fishbowl, or on literally anything other than a plate. Everyone around me would be raving about the side dishes while I’m wondering why my meat tastes like shit.
You can include themes in a movie and still tell a coherent story. Try this: remove the theme. Is the movie any good? Is the plot entertaining, and does it make sense? No, it’d be really awful, and the inclusion of a theme doesn’t excuse that.
It is obvious that the themes of the movie were lost on you, and that is ok. It takes time to understand a movie, then you might not get it completely. I had to watch the film 3 times before I got it. You are far to confident in your judgement. If you did understand the film, you wouldn’t be say the Sheriff was disconnected from the plot. Everything in the movie was done with intent, and you didn’t pick up on that, which, again is ok. Just please DO NOT say that it wasn’t without purpose. You just failed to get it, and that happens all the time, especially to me. I hate to think about all the times I complain about a book or movie only for friends and colleagues to point out the obvious details I missed.
Not trying to be rude to you, but that sounds like bullshit.
In film, you can tell who the driving character is by seeing which character believes a lie and how they are forced change because of it. The Sheriff is the only character with an arc.
He’s the character I’m rooting for
I believe that this movie’s theme attacks you personally, and is having the intended effect. Once he dies, that should tip you off to the movie was about something else, and give you more context to the events of the film.
He doesn’t at any point interact with the plot
The Sheriff is the only character who changes.
They’re not following the rules for how stories should be told.
They DO follow the standard story structure.
and the way they told the story was needlessly confusing and pretentious.
It was confusing, because they challenge your assumptions and established predictable cliche. They do follow a normal story structure, just not normal cliche.
You can include themes in a movie and still tell a coherent story. Try this: remove the theme. Is the movie any good? Is the plot entertaining, and does it make sense? No, it’d be really awful, and the inclusion of a theme doesn’t excuse that.
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, but theme is the most important element.
In short, you should be more open minded. You didn’t get the movie, that’s ok. I don’t think most video essays on youtube or reviewers get it either. But frankly, it’s extremely well written, and it would be a measure of bad judgement if you dismissed it as senseless. I’ll be clear, you didn’t get it. The movie is amazing, and it will take thought to understand it, and not everyone is in a position in their life to get it. But some day, I hope you will, and the first step is to believe it is possible that you didn’t get it, and to have trust in other people.
So often I hate mainstream movies, but this isn’t it. This movie doesn’t waste a single shot.
Do you not like any movies or shows where the main character is the bad guy? The Sopranos is my all time favorite show but I’ve never rooted for Tony. Breaking bad is great too but I still never rooted for Walter White.
You really never rooted for Walt? You didn’t hope that he’d make the right decision? You didn’t find a little guilty pleasure in the satisfaction of a bad deed done well?
If not, then why did you even watch the show?
I’m fine with rooting for a bad guy. But no, I don’t enjoy stories that only have irredeemable characters that I can’t root for.
Besides, Javier Bardem won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor, which doesn’t usually go to main characters.
But ok, even if Llewelyn wasn’t the main character, he’s the central character of the plot. His death resolves the main storyline in the movie, and it happens off screen. That’s not good storytelling.
If the main character isn’t the character I’m rooting for, then that doesn’t sound like an enjoyable movie.
Main character as the bad guy is very common and many great stories are told this way. If you can’t find a way to enjoy any of them then idk what to tell you, restrict your viewing habits to marvel movies I guess
Anything that comes from Marvel. Overrated CGI tripe.
Since you phrased it ambiguously, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is amazing.
The only Marvel movies I like and they are not even made by Marvel.
Since I’m already being pedantic, technically produced by Marvel Entertainment.
I’d argue that those are Sony movies, not Marvel.
Back when Marvel was financially struggling, they started selling off rights to various characters. Sony bought Spider-Man (and a handful of other characters), and that’s where the Tobey Maguire movies came from. It’s also why the X-men will likely never be a part of the MCU, because Sony owns the movie rights to (most of) the mutants.
The Spiderverse movies are basically Sony riding the wake of the Tom Holland hype. To be clear, they’re phenomenal movies. But they’re only tangentially related to Marvel.
Oh I agree, I was just being pedantic because OP said “Marvel”.
Hey, tripe doesn’t deserve that
Snowpiercer. It was highly rated on Rotten Tomatoes and from the poster I thought it stared U2’s The Edge, so I took a chance. That was the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen.
I suppose a movie in which they spend half of the time running through sleeper cars wouldn’t have conveyed the same message about classism.
Time to fight the army of goon in an empty car that seemingly serves no purpose than to host a large violent brawl, now it’s time to walk through the sleeper car for all the goons you fought, now it’s time to walk through the kitchen car for the goons, not it’s time to walk through the laundry car for the goons. Oh look, it’s a rich person party car, what a weird thing to have at all in any context, are they aware the world has ended? Now time to go through the partier’s sleeper car, then the partier’s kitchen car, then the partier’s laundry car…
Almost all of Will Ferrell’s movies, but especially Talladega Nights, a stupid movie about stupid people doing stupid things according to a stupid script. It’s one of two movies I’ve ever walked out on (the other being Split, which is just gross). Stranger Than Fiction is the only good movie with Will Ferrell in a starring roll.
Stranger Than Fiction is by far Ferrell’s best work, because it’s the only film of his where he doesn’t act like an insufferable man-child.
I wish he would play it straight in more films. He’s actually a decent actor when he doesn’t act like a fucking idiot.
Zoolander?
Zoolander is a great movie.
Mugatu isn’t a starring role and Will Ferrell plays the part well. If he was playing Zoolander the movie wouldn’t be anywhere near as good.
Uncut Gems
A stressful two hours of screaming and bad decisions
That’s the point… We’re watching the spiral of a gambling addict. Its pure anxiety, and it’s done so well.
I get that but you are not convincing me that this is good
I guess its personal preference, it’s like eating food with a lot of spice. Some people enjoy the stress it brings.
Highly agree. The stress and anxiety is there for a reason. I actually hated it the whole time I was watching, but it was very much worth it. That being said, I don’t think I’d watch it again.
The Dark Knight Rises. Not only is it a bad Batman movie, it oddly has a pro cop message. Also, I can’t take Bane seriously at all with that ridiculous voice.
All of Nolan’s Batman movies were heavily pro-cop. Watch TDK again: the day is saved by illegal surveillance, and Batman faces no consequences for using it.
This is how I felt about all the Nolan Batman movies, except it was Batman himself I couldn’t take seriously because of Bale’s ridiculous Cookie Monster voice. I think I burst out laughing in the theatre when I first heard it.
I’m reminded of this video:
