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Trump will continue to play grab ass with the fuck-around gang until he finds the exact line in the sand that guarantees he gets held in pre-trial detention. If he gets thrown in the slammer while awaiting trial he will claim he is a political prisoner, and if they don’t stick him there he will do everything in his power to commit soft-treason through his cult. Everything surrounding Trump is, and always has been a lose/lose situation for this country.
Until he is made to suffer serious consequences for his violent petulence and penchant for authoritarianism things will never move forward in any meaningful way. He is a distraction that, when all is said and done, will have stagnated the progress of this country for a decade at minimum.
Edit: Accidentally a word
Everything surrounding Trump is, and always has been a lose/lose situation for this country.
It’s like the whole US is scared of a scar so they keep delaying the op to get the tumor out.
I think the greater fear is that anything done against him becomes fuel for the Republicans/conservatives to elect an even worse human being.
While I generally agree with you assessment, I think it is important to note that not punishing Trump would embolden or exacerbate his brand of bully pulpit tactics even more. This fear of retribution just means we need to be ever vigilant, and take the threat of authoritarian minority rule seriously.
That is what we are ultimately talking about, and the only way to prevent that is to stay engaged politically, and to hold our leaders to account whenever they trample on the rights of our fellow citizens or our democracy.
Exactly. The only thing you get with appeasement is vindicated bullies. justice must fall. or the US falls. if he goes this far without consequnces… then the next guy will go a little bit further and a little bit further. In fact, that’s pretty much the TLDR of Trump’s entire political career.
Good analogy. Let’s just hope it is excised before it metastasises and kills the patient.
Although sitting in a cell is my favored outcome for him for doing this, I would love it if the judge just barred him from using electronic devices. Can you imagine how pissed off he’d be?
Will that order include a dude following him around and slapping phones out of his hand? Because he is already not allowed to talk about the case and he just ignored it.
Did you ever see the old Disney cartoon, The Band Concert, where Donald Duck just keeps pulling flutes out of everywhere like up his sleeve and under his hat? You’re making me think that’s what Trump will do. Hide phones everywhere so he can constantly sneak onto TruthSocial. In his socks, in his underwear, under his MAGA cap…
That is literally what he does. The classified document case revealed that he rarely uses his own phone, he just ask whatever employee he is next to to borrow theirs.
Fine, let them know that if they do that and get found out, they’ll get thrown in the slammer. That’ll put the breaks on that one.
- Brakes.
- That’s assuming he values human life above anything at all, much less his ability to whinge like a greasy zit with a suck hole.
The brakes, even.
So we take the “Lock Him Up” approach and if anyone has a problem with that, we lock them up too.
it’s only tyranny if you disagree with the majority…
Yea, because locking a guy up who is blatantly threatening witnesses and prosecutors in criminal cases against him- despite numerous warnings not to- is so tyrannical.
If trump wasn’t a rich white ex president, he would have been arrested the night of, held until trial in prison and convicted with in a few months.
The real tyranny here is the dual justice systems in which this idiot walks free despite trying to overturn the government and walking out with some of the nations secrets is treated like kid gloves with nothing happening for over 2 and a half years.
He would have been arrested the night of, held until trial in prison and convicted with in a few months.
The really irritating part is this isn’t even conjecture. Over a 1000 convictions have already been secured in connection to January 6th, many of those people were held pending trial, and for fucks sake some of them are already out of prison before Trump has even had his day in court.
Anybody who can’t see the hypocrisy in that, and identify how that implicitly constitutes a two tiered justice system is either brainwashed or so full of shit their eyes are brown. Facts matter, accountability matters, democracy is not a given, and it is about god damn time we start taking each of those things seriously.
As somebody with brown eyes….I just want to point out that their shit would be red. from all the koolaide they drink.
Just saying.
But seriously, though. Teixeira (discord leaker) was discovered, identified and arrested within days.
Like you don’t want to know what would have happened to him if he had nuclear secrets of the severity trump had.
Teixeira’s lawyers are arguing (or were, maybe it was unsuccessful, I haven’t kept up) that he did the same thing Trump did essentially and, therefore, should be free on his own recognizance. It’s kind of hard to disagree there. Either both deserve to be locked up or both deserve to be let free. It’s inconsistent and we all know why.
He’s still detained until trial. But I agree, somebody with Trumps possible knowledge on classified shit and blatant criminality… shouldn’t be allowed to go play golf with the myriad of foreign nationals he’s quite chummy with.
more broadly, I think cash bail needs to go away. either the person is a legitimate flight risk, or they have a high likelihood of committing more crimes… or not. the vast majority of locked up but not convicted people fall into the “or not” category
Sorry for the euphemism. I actually thought about that before I posted it, but I didn’t have a better one to throw out there so I rolled with it 🙃
As far as the Discord leaker is concerned I think I’m pretty confident that he would have been sentenced to life in prison or potentially even executed if he leaked nuclear secrets on a public forum. That wouldn’t be without precedent, and they fucked with Bradley/Chelsea Manning for a looooong time for far less so I’m comfortable making that inference from modern examples.
Whether that is the correct/ethical thing to do is a different matter, but it goes without saying that the punishment would be severe.
I think it’s safe to say we have many, many examples of “normal” people to justify burrying trump under gitmo.
Here in the United States of Money, the only money that people take money is money
That’s what gets me. It’s not like he was smart about it. It’s not like he tried to hide it. No, he does stuff in broad fucking daylight, openly admits it, and still gets off scot free! Not only that, but his cult of nutjob dumbasses worships him for it, all while acting like it’s tHe OtHeR SiDe commiting treason.
Interestingly… I looked it up on chat gpt.
As of ‘21, the person with the most felonies appears to be richard Ramirez at 43 (murder, attempted murder, sexual assault and burglary)
another guy initially pointed to- Richard McCoy - had 16 in DB cooper like hijackings.
Granted it’s chatgpt… but trump truly is “uprecedendted” (In his scope of criminality.)
I strongly suggest you don’t treat a language learning model as a search engine or any kind of artificial intelligence. It is not.
and that’s exactly why I flaggd it as coming from chat GPT. combing through the literally thousands of jurisdictions in the US to find the most felonious guy is… not something I have time for and a quick search turned up nothing about the actual subject. feel free to drop a more reliable source, though.
CHPT is a language model, not a search engine
golf clap
Nice. I didn’t know that.
Search engines came up with “percentage of us population incarcersted” and “number of us felons”,
So, me, not wanting to do a doctoral thesis level of research used a tool get an answer. If you happen to have a better answer…. By all means…
But just uselessy pointing out a fact i already knew… (and the reason I flagged it as being the source…) …
I blocked your chud ass already. Why am I seeing this shit?
i. am. unstoppable.
Cool.
I hear the DC jail cells are quite comfortable according to the chuds he sent to kill the VP and other congress critters.
Can’t wait for the singalong Maga inmates album with all the hits - God bless America, YMCA.
He’s testing to see how far he can push. But he’s going to find out Jack Smith pushes back a hell of a lot harder.
I fucking love that guy. As an aspirational lawyer, what a role model!
The best thing about him is that I don’t have a clue what his politics are. He’s worked for Democrats and Republicans, and he has never, as far as I’m aware, said a single goddamn word in public about his political opinions. Nothing. And his prosecutorial record is similarly impossible to use as a barometer for his politics. It shows that he’s extremely good at his job, and nothing else.
Gotta respect a guy like that. Partisan to one thing and one thing only: Serving justice.
Let’s hope he doesnt Harvey Dent us.
He also has a very neutral name. It’s like he’s a superhero by night. Like Jack Smith is an alter ego, similar to Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne
It might just be copium, but jack smith is starting to give me some hope and take the edge off my jaded political nihilism.
I think we’re really gonna need a movie off this. “Jack Smith: Special Prosecutor”. it kind of sounds like… a jack ryan type spy thriller… and it practically writes itself. (only action being Jack running a triathalon.)
Especially after how milquetoast Garland has been. But that may have been to remove any notion of political retribution. Though they scream about it anyway.
And he will continue doing this until someone finally starts treating him like any other person doing the exact same thing and throw his ass in jail for it on the first violation.
Trump does this because he’s spent 77 years of his life suffering exactly no consequences for his words or actions. And for the past 8 years, he’s been staring down our entire legal system as if to say “I’ll do what I want, what are you going to do about it”, and the answer he’s been getting is “Nothing”. His base has been funding his legal defense and paying off what few token fines he’s had to pay.
Why shouldn’t he keep doing this? He’s approaching his NINTH DECADE on this planet doing it with resounding success, and nobody seems to be willing to actually draw AND DEFEND the line in the sand. If they actually want him to stop with the attacks, the one and only option that will work is to throw his ass in jail until the trial.
And if they’re not willing to do that instead of tiptoeing around the issue, politely requesting that he stop, and wondering why nothing ever changes, then they need to suck it up and deal with it, because he’s not going to stop. Jail his ass until the trial(s), or accept that this is the reality for the next several years.
And if they’re not willing to do that instead of tiptoeing around the issue, politely requesting that he stop, and wondering why nothing ever changes, then they need to suck it up and deal with it, because he’s not going to stop. Jail his ass until the trial(s), or accept that this is the reality for the next several years.
someone else already answered part of why they don’t nail him to the wall like any other poor person (eg conservative revolution); another reason is affluenza.
he’s being politely asked to stop committing crimes by people in the upper echelons of society that will never feel the impact of his actions nor theirs; so their polite requests are merely an exercise in an academic pursuit within absurd belief that the “system will take of it.”
if trump were rich and well connected enough he could get away with it; but it’s clear that he’s not or else most wouldn’t even be aware of it happening.
Part of the reason why nothing ever changes is the people who want to see him jailed for his many crimes - including the crimes being committed while in the middle of actively getting in trouble for the same crimes - carry on with their lives as if everything is normal.
If Trump were (rightly) jailed months before trial because of his bullshit, his base would likely go full revolution domestic terrorism mode. Fox news would blast the horn of Gondor and every red hat would start marching to the beating the drum of civil war (hint, many already are). These people have proven they’ll happily risk throwing their lives away in federal jail to make this happen.
All laws and actions aren’t actually governed by anyone but the people. We are allowing this to happen by not shutting down the economy and forcing the wealthy to act in our best interest and not theirs. From Trump to wages and healthcare its the exact same answer. They do what they get away with and if we don’t stop them they’ll just push harder.
I’m not trying to pass the buck, or victim blame, or suggest that standing on a corner with a sign is the answer. But the right wing are super organized and have a base that’s ready to go nuclear against their own country for any reason because they want to get their way (they often don’t even know their way, just enemy bad), and other political groups simply don’t have this kind of energy and commitment - which is fair because deprogramming a cult member is exceptionally hard, and isn’t permanent, and the cult is also on several 24 hour channels.
In the end though, if we have two groups of people who want a drastically different government… maybe splitting the country up is what should happen.
It kind of makes sense.
Hear me out.
He knows he’s screwed. He’s got 78 counts against him.
At this point, the only thing that will make the federal charges go away is to win the presidency. The time to play it safe is over.
The best bet right now might be to rally the base and get the GOP nomination. You might get clobbered in the general election, but that’s a 2024 problem.
Then you have the constitutional crisis of a sitting president with a state prison sentence, but he doesn’t really care about the well-being of the country, so that’s moot to a raging narcissist.
Fucking hell.
At this point, the only thing that will make the federal charges go away is to win the presidency
it blows my mind that the people rallying behind him know this, and are OK with it
Constitutionally it’s pretty clear his sentence would be suspended until his term as President is over. A president elected from jail isn’t a constitutional crisis. A president elected who’s committed a coup before, that’s a problem.
“That’s what they’re doing. ‘I’m sorry, I won’t be able to go to Iowa today. I won’t be able to go to New Hampshire today,’” he said. “Because I’m sitting in a courtroom on bull—-.”
The crowd cheered and broke into chants of “bull——!”
They’re caracitures of themselves at this point.
reminds me of that Ken Patti twitter post:
I forced a bot to watch over 1,000 hours of Trump rallies and then asked it to write a Trump rally of its own. Here is the first page.
This is my favourite post today oh my god. Four more swamps!
Lets not ignore the glorius coal milk and digging for it, or the animated gun.
Man in a hard hat, man in a harder hat, gun that is alive.
Ooh I want that on a t-shirt
Arby’s food is fine to eat
😂
Great jobs. Tall jobs. Steve Jobs.
I don’t know why, but this line got me.
I think because I can’t tell if it’s AI, or Trump. AI is good at melting in things that sound like they belong but don’t (Steve Jobs), but given the original material it learned from it might actually be faithfully riffing on the source.
It’s not actually written by a chatbot anyways, it’s just written to sound like it is
It’s really not even that. These were generally considered to be obvious fakes when they became popular about 5 years ago.
In particular, they made funny mistakes that weren’t very likely from the models of the time, while acing things that were very difficult at the time.
Obama drank it. Not fair
was my favorite
Why do you hate that bot?
who said I hated it? also, it’s not really written by a chatbot. it was later revealed that the comedian had written all of this (and another, similar “chatbot script”) themselves and simply passed it off as such.
I was joking. Forcing anyone or anything to watch 1000 hours of Trump rallies sounds like torture
if nothing else, it’s proven to cause irreversible insanity at far fewer than 1000 hours.
I’m pretty sure none of these things are written by a bot.
I just said precisely that
It got the repetitive short sentences that amount to nothing down.
This is the greatest and most important work in human history. I hereby demand that the entire rally be released so the world may bask in its glory for generations to come. That, and to see how many people wonder whether or not Trump actually said it.
Wonder, you say? Questioning is not their strong suit. Hearing that he did is enough to make it a fact for these backbirths. Fuck, this country needs an enema.
So he’s gonna keep intimidating witnesses and the judge and prosecution. Great. If he was poor and trying this shit he’d be locked up yesterday.
He would have been locked up on Jan 6th.
or a minority
I know that Jack Smith, and Fanni Willis, are too professional to be bothered by such inflammatory remarks, but it can’t be a smart move to attack the people who are writing indictments. Not all the donations in the world can make up for what he will face in prison.
While I really REALLY hope he doesn’t weasel himself out of this, our justice system highly favors people with money to pay for crimes to go away.
Trump’s old buddy Jeff Epstein was successful using that method… until he wasn’t.
still… no justice there
I wonder when the big republican donors will give up throwing money at the problem. A twice impeached, twice loser of the general election, 3 indictments so far and DeSantis fighting shadows and losing. I’d just save my money for the midterms
The really big donors are either investors in trump already, and getting hit with the sink cost fallacy or shopping elsewhere for their politicians
Honestly, I can’t imagine what they’re going through.
And I doubt very much either of them aren’t bothered.
No amount of professionalism will keep you from feeling it. They are professionals, and they hide it well… but they still have feelings and it still hurts. (And I assume the threats by his thugs make them angry and scared,)
I hope he does. He will violate the order and be thrown in jail until trial. That would be phenomenal.
Honestly you could predict that man more accurately than the weather.
He keeps going on about an secret cabal trying to take him down, and he’s right there is one, it’s him.
He’s just doing what he always does: talk as much trash about how he’s not afraid and harassing the opposition, but I guarantee that if the order goes through, he’ll get very vague very fast. Bullies are always a bunch of talk until the real muscle comes in.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the early voting state of New Hampshire, Trump assailed Smith as a “thug prosecutor” and a “deranged guy” a week after being indicted on felony charges for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
The former president lobbed the insults at Smith just days after the Department of Justice asked a judge to approve a protective order stopping Trump from publicly disclosing evidence.
In the four-count indictment filed against Trump last week, the Justice Department accused him of orchestrating a scheme to block the peaceful transfer of power.
He was told by multiple people in trusted positions that his claims were false, prosecutors said, but he spread them anyway to sow public mistrust about the election.
Trump, who is also facing charges in Florida and New York, is gearing up for a possible fourth indictment, in a case out of Fulton County, Georgia, over alleged efforts by him and his allies to illegally meddle in the 2020 election in that state.
Trump, who has portrayed the investigations as politically motivated, said they are forcing him “to spend time and money away from the campaign trail in order to fight bogus made-up accusations and charges.”
I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Good bot
He knows that he’s not going to see consequences no matter what he does.
Yep, until something actually happens he will continue to do this
I’ve seen nothing to indicate that he will ever encounter consequences.
He’s confident. Hopefully his confidence is misplaced.
He knows that he’s not going to see consequences no matter what he does.
I’m starting to feel like I know that too.
“I believe the president has learned his lesson” -wise words from a stupid woman
Edit: Fixed the typo
+nt
Coincidentally the +nt also applies to Trumps presidency, as in: shouldn’t and don’t
Here is a “Cu” to add to your collection
Let him keep talking until the court sees no other way than to lock him up and take away his phone to prevent further damage.
^Don’t forget these! These Republicans (16) tried to overthrow elections
