Credulous is the word.
Under the guise of objectivity he gives all fringe opinions equal significance.
Edit: here’s a good explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZAQYI_hYp0
I’m okay with skeptical and verifying but he doesn’t challenge all his guests equally. I’m not saying he should be perfect, but there are some really far out ideas that need more questioning before I’m personally satisfied.
he is a cunt, literally lied about how he heard they are putting cat litter into classes so that kids eho identify as cats have somewhere to go, then when called out on it that it’s bullshit he just said it’s a joke or something.
the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere
it’s covered in Some more News’ Moral panic video
the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere
Do Americans not realize how fucked up their country sounds to the rest of us when they do this kind of shit instead of controlling you-know-what?
We absolutely do. Our country has been captured and held hostage by a small minority of selfish morons.
Gun control is tricky; studies that I’ve seen show that a large majority want “dune kind of gun control” but any discussion of what that entails starts to get less popular in a hurry.
I’ve found that many otherwise reasonable people get upset really quickly when the subject even gets brought up.
what is dune gun control
Holtzman shields. They only allow matter to pass when that matter is going slowly enough, making guns useless.
Dune gun control must be Leto’s peace!
They probably meant “some”.
Gun control is ineffective. The real issue plaguing the US is poverty and mental health. Just look to some of the areas with the most strict gun control laws, they’re also the areas with the highest gun violence statistics in the country. Chicago, New York, LA to name a few.
One of the reasons places like schools are targeted so often is because it’s a known soft target. Gun free zones are known to have less resistance to the scumbags and cowards that are doing these heinous acts. If they knew that every adult could potentially fight back and give as good as they get, I would expect there would be far fewer mass shootings. These people are cowards praying upon those who cannot resist, and even the threat of potential return fire is enough to deter most.
I’m not saying that we should force every teacher to become certified and carry, but it should be up to them whether they choose to fight for their students, and if they do they should have the same or better tools than the bad guys.
This. This is exactly what OP was talking about when they said we look crazy to the rest of the world.
LA probably has more laws about fishing from piers than Phoenix does too. Places with higher gun crime rates combat that with gun laws.
With his alt-right views, Joe Rogan has essentially become Rush Limbaugh with a traumatic brain injury.
I think you’re giving Limbaugh more credit than he deserves.
the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere
I believe that as much as the original claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_boxes_in_schools_hoax?wprov=sfla1
The only known official instance of cat litter being placed in school classrooms for potential use by students was in the late 2010s by the Jefferson County Public School District in Colorado, where the 1999 Columbine High School massacre took place. Some teachers were given “go buckets” that contained cat litter to be used as a toilet in an emergency lockdown situation, such as during a school shooting.
moral panics always have a core of truth in them maybe watch the video it’s really good, adresses the satanist panic etc.
Here is a video that went viral of a teacher explaianing the “bathroom bucket” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEEP2PfxYSQ If you search for a “Classroom Lockdown Bucket” you will get numerous results of websites selling a bucket filled with emergency supplies that can also be used as a toilet.
Only in America does a bucket need to be marketed as a place to take a shit when toilets aren’t available.
The stupidity of Americans is comical. Yet there’s pride in the ignorance. Astonishing.
I will also say it’s 2023, some things are past even being sceptical about.
If you bring on a flatearther you aren’t being sceptical, you’re a moron.
His show is entertainment first and foremost. That means glorifying stupid bullshit for the entertainment value of it.
Most hard science is boring. Most fringe theory thinking is dramatic and thrilling.
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Hard science can be the most wonderful things you ever heard about. You merely need someone to explains it right.
Optimizing for truth sometimes creates something entertaining, but only by coincidence. I suppose you can say that the truth is entertaining specifically because it is the truth, but crazy stuff claims to be the truth too. Only someone who already knows the difference is going to appreciate the former more than the latter.
I would rather someone excitedly tell me about how gravitational lensing is usedto view a black hole over listening to some fuckwit go on about how there is an Ice wall around the flat earth patrolled by Navies to prevent the truth that Nasa faked Australia coming out.
Nasa faked Australia
As an Australian, this is wild and I want to know more.
Edit: Woah. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/australia-doesnt-exit-people-who-live-actors-paid-nasa-kurt-nielsen
Speak for yourself. Hard science isn’t boring to me.
I guess this is why he is successful. Entertaining.
Spot on
His mind’s so open his brain fell out
Nice diction.
Nice diction bro
I love that though. I want to hear these wack jobs talk. I don’t listen to get smarter, just like I don’t go to McDonalds for a fine cooked meal.
And that’s fine, if you understand that these are wack jobs who shouldn’t be taken seriously. Most of Rogan’s listeners definitely don’t
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Well, that’s just bullshit.
We’ve been seeing the destructive power of the media legitimizing unsupported ideas. Fox News, Info Wars, and other outlets are what led to things like January 6th. So seeing someone like Rogan, who has a giant fan base and a popular show that gives credence to wildly inaccurate information pisses off a lot of us. I complain about it because it makes me angry, not because doing so makes me feel superior.
Don’t listen to Joe Rogan because he platforms morons and so forth
Yeah if people go to a game show host/sports commentator for their political or scientific worldview that isn’t my problem.
It is a problem for most of us who live in the US because those are the type of people who are now getting elected and bringing the country backwards.
It is your problem when they start using the views these dumbass hosts are spewing to elect fuckwits.
Nah he just a douche
Joe think you are wrong.
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I hope so, because the alternative is he knows what he’s doing which would be truly fucked up.
For many years he was the idiot’s intellectual.
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Can’t tell if you’re referring to Rogan or the Anon in the post?
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The problem with Rogan is that he doesn’t have the knowledge or qualifications to push back against people spewing bullshit on his show, and so he ends up essentially making fringe, pseudo-scientific ideas seem equal to the mainstream expert consensus view.
And the outspoken wrong on the show people are oftentimes cool and charismatic, so people trust them.
the problem with rogan is that he agrees with the worst people on his show. he doesn’t push back because he doesn’t want to. he peaked on news radio.
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They’re not wrong.
Nah they are wrong, Joe isn’t a dumb guy, he’s not doing what he’s doing because he’s some dumb meathead, he’s doing it for money, fame, and to finally be part of the in-groups, which means power, he finally has a president(Trump) that accepts him and hob knobs with him.
Joe has always been a cynical self serving libertarian type, if you went back and listened or watched some of his old standup comedy you would get a better idea of how far Rogan has fallen, he’s become a lot of what he hated. There was a time when people used to think that Joe would be the next George Carlin, now he’s just a more palatable and successful Alex Jones.
You’re reading way too much into it, his original stand up was never clever.
Who said it was clever? Joe didn’t do clever comedy Joe did angry and cynical observational and political comedy. I’m not trying to call him clever or smart at all, he just isn’t as dumb as the meathead everybody tries to make him out to be.
You said: “Joe isn’t a dumb guy”. So, he’s not dumb, or clever, he just is. Like a rock.
Why do you keep trying to put your words in my mouth? If that’s what I wanted to say I would have said it, but I didn’t. I get that you want me to see things how you want me to see things but I don’t, so how about just taking my words at face value?
Again, Joe isn’t dumb, he’s not being manipulated, and he absolutely knows who and what he’s inviting onto his show and what affect they will have both in the broader media and to his critics and fans, Joe is just being a greedy self serving fuckwad, and it’s working well for him so far.
You can underestimate your enemies on your own, but don’t try to force me to make the same mistake you’re making.
I just quoted you.
We disagree completely though, nothing about the way he presents himself suggests to me that this is calculated.
You didn’t quote me, you editorialized my statement inputting your own opinion to subvert my own opinion in favor of yours, and then you tried to gaslight me about it.
Now take your manipulative bullshit elsewhere.
Clever isn’t intelligence, you can be average or smart and not clever. You can also be a bit dumb but also a bit clever. They are 2 qualities that can interact but are nonetheless separate.
They are synonyms, at least where I am (the UK): https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/intelligent
It wasn’t even good.
Haha holy shit, it’s wild to even see Joe and George in the same sentance. It’s like thinking maybe the PT Cruiser could be the spiritual successor to the 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 😂
He’s not an idiot or anything, but he’s pretty ignorant about a lot of topics, particularly science. He’s quick on the uptake, but he isn’t good at understanding how things fit together
That’s fine, it’s a fantastic way to do interviews. It’s a stand-in for the audience - he says “I’m a dumb guy good at punching, so can you break it down really simple?” People that are sharp don’t feel patronized, and people that are actually dumb feel it’s much more approachable
The problem is somewhere along the way, Joe started believing people were there for him and not the guest, and he started doing more talking and less listening when he doesn’t agree with what’s being said (especially since he has some pretty bad takes)
he’s pretty ignorant about a lot of topics
Not that uncommon among standup comedians. Comics tend to view everything through the lens of “how can I get a joke out of this?” which is not a good mindset for trying to separate truth from bullshit. Even George Carlin said dumb shit from time to time.
I’ve watched Joe’s old comedy and shows he’s been on (Opie and Anthony) and don’t remember anyone thinking he would be the next Carlin. Lewis Black and Jon Stewart I could see.
Louis CK is the most Carlin like imo. His bits on O&A were pure genius. Rogan’s comedy is garbage tier.
People always think people they disagree with are more Machiavellian than they usually are.
something something long something something hero, something something villain
Alex Jones is pushing it a bit but I get what you are saying
We need to know though, how good is Joe with a bow on a horse?
Lol, it kinda reminds me of Joe’s whole “we’ve never seen a gorilla at peak gorilla” take.
Joe is short, abuses steroids, probably isn’t too flexible, I can definitely see him falling off of the horse a lot while trying to shoot a bow from it.
Joe is a thumb and you don’t really use your thumb in archery.
I stopped listening to his podcasts when I realised he doesn’t know the facts and spews what he believes are facts. I admire him to hold a conversation for as long as he does and keep it somewhat entertaining but beyond that it’s nothing more than pseudo science.
One of the best greentext explanations out there
No; he’s just a credulous idiot.
This is good shit
How dare you make me see this with my morning tea.
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Fuck me this is hilarious Jo Raw Khan
Listening to the podcast “History of philosophy without any gaps” there’s some philosophers, specially in middle age Arabic societies, that had the patronage of warlords, and would change patron for the new warlords who killed their previous one.
They couldn’t exactly keep being patronized by a dead guy.
This is just racism
Racist against who? 13th century Mongols?
Against Mongols. But it is also incredibly chuavanist in general toward all tribal people.
Is it though? I’m not sure the various Mongol empires are exactly your typical tribal people. I’m not sure you can even call them tribal people at all in the modern sense. They were an empire spanning a vast region of the world at one point.
yeah I mean, if anything, mongols were imperialistic, expanding their empire during the 13th and 14th centuries and using violence to do so.
They were tribal PRIOR to Khan uniting them in to a single empire that then spread in to the largest contiguous empire in the known history of mankind.
Jesus shut the fuck up you absolute raging mong.
eat shit and die
Seems to me a lot of people here pretty hostile to Joe. I can only say he has been more than open and interacted with good faith with guests that I listen to than anyone in “media”. His talk with Bernie Sanders and his agreement with certain aspects of Sanders agenda should dismiss the claim that he’s a libertarian shill. I try to approach him as a topic in good faith as well.
He’s being called a neandertal because he seems to agree with a lot of fringe opinions. I try to think of how I would react if talking to a person who I have no idea about their area of expertise and how I would deal with claims that they make. Sure he gives a voice to cranks, but he also gives voice to people across the spectrum, some that I actually want other people to hear from. That’s kind of what free speech is about right there.
Do not hide behind “freedom of speech” - you are completely misinterpreting why people don’t like Joe Rogan.
The #1 criticism of Joe Rogan is that he gives an equal platform to real science and pseudoscience on the biggest podcast in the world. He’s turned plenty of nutjobs with absolutely terrible theories into household names.
Fair enough. I don’t feel like I’m hiding behind freedom of speech as much as I’m saying that it’s fundamentally important to the functioning of a healthy society. With that comes knowledge that some people out there are going to be dishonest shits. If what I’m saying about it’s importance is true, then that should be the starting point for any discussion like this.
The question is then, who get to decide what is appropriate to talk about? What percentage of the people he talks to have to be agreeable before he comes off as a good actor? I would never have become a leftist if it weren’t for information out there that didn’t fit the national narratives that we get from existing im the US.
This whole covid fiasco has been an excellent example of people who were off narrative (lab leak, anti shutdowns etc) being at least partially vindicated by the actual outcomes later in the game. It’s not always the case, but it happens and we should be aware of that.
The problem with freedom of speech is that not everybody has an equally sized platform to be heard from.
Who gets to be heard isn’t based off of who has the best ideas or has everybody’s interests at heart, it’s based off of who is willing to say the most outlandish things, or is willing to tell people what they want to hear, or sometimes simply because they have alot of money/power.
I used to listen to Rogan a lot, but I remember a few instances adding up over the years and I distinctly remember the instances that made me eventually say “this guy is not a good person.”
When he interviewed Milo Yiannapolis, I was genuinely upset Joe gave him a platform to spew his hateful rhetoric. Milo is a toxic person whose xenophobic, misogynist, and transphobic rhetoric directly hurt a lot of people and Joe simply gave him more ammo.
When his old friend Duncan Trussell visited the podcast for one of the last times, Trussell and Joe were celebrating his move to Spotify deal, and in the middle of a drunken ramble, Trussell warned Joe not to field Ben Shapiro, that Shapiro was not a good person, to which Joe simply shrugged it off.
While I’m unsure if the two are on good terms today as I no longer listen to either podcasts, Trussell is one of Joe’s long term friends and it made me respect Joe a lot less that he wouldn’t engage with his friend on this topic with a genuine discussion/debate. This struck me as one of the first instances where Joe drew a line in the sand, displaying that criticism of Shapiro was somehow off limits.
His indulgence of Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris has not aged well as both have been revealed through the careful scrutiny of time to have been vectors that infiltrate, manipulate, and inject grade school level philsophical viewpoints into the mainstream public discourse as if these belabored arguments haven’t already been repeatedly disproven in academic circles. This is made very apparent when they encounter actual intellectual debates like the Peterson/Zizek debate which demonstrated Peterson didn’t understand even the most elementary aspects of Marxism.
The harm of Joe’s platform can be exemplified by the fact that Peterson is still more culturally relevant. This is due in part to the fact that Zizek could never be on the Rogan podcast because his ideas are honestly too intellectually robust to be of interest to the majority of Joe’s audience, and pose a strong existential antithesis to capitalism, much stronger than Bernie Sanders, I might add. But a philosophical mind like Zizek’s is exactly who anyone respectable on the right would need to contend with in order to pose a legitimate argument for capitalism. The fact that Peterson was posed as some sort of equal to Zizek, and that their debate was one of the most watched in recent history, points to the power of Joe’s influence in adding legitimacy to Peterson’s platform when honestly Peterson shouldn’t have any. Instead he was, and, to a lesser extent, still is, considered to be the greatest proponent for capitalist and traditionalist thought.
Lastly, Joe stood up for his long time friend Alex Jones multiple times, making excuses for him when things looked bad, and failed repeatedly to call him out on his bad faith conspiracy lunacy. The last time Alex Jones was on Joe’s show, which I believe was one of his last Youtube shows, I stopped watching. I disavowed Joe as a shill for the right wing, and I’m honestly ashamed I gave him so much of my time and attention.
Sure he has some left-leaning guests, but he also claims that January 6th was instigated by the FBI, and pushes an anti-healthcare agenda. The ire he gets is well earned and justified.
Do you really trust someone who took numerous traumatic hits to the head to give solid political and health advice?
I’d have to look at those claims to know if that’s actually true. It may be, but media/internet hyperbole is so overplayed I’d wager it isn’t actually true. Like I said though. I don’t know about that specific instance.
The thing is, if the FBI hadn’t framed so many Muslims in the US, during the war on terror or fascilitated the Whitmer kidnapping, maybe claims like that wouldn’t gain traction as easily.
I can only say he has been more than open and interacted with good faith with guests that I listen to than anyone in “media”. His talk with Bernie Sanders and his agreement with certain aspects of Sanders agenda should dismiss the claim that he’s a libertarian shill.
“He agreed with Bernie on like 2 things (because he just goes along with whatever the last person to talk to him beleives) so all of his comments about covid being fake or Jan 6th being a false flag are irrelevant and he’s definitely nit a right wing shill guys. Freeze peach!!”
He endorsed Bernie Sanders in the election, unless i’m confused.
I don’t think anyone has said he never supports things that are true or positive. That might almost be better because it would make it clear that he’s just a nut job like Alex Jones. The complaint is that he gives an equal platform and equal credibility to factual and unsupported ideas, so people end up giving equal credence to both.
It’s like when news platforms felt they needed to give equal time to both sides of everything, so they gave as much coverage to climate change deniers as climate scientists, fueling the public scepticism, even though climate change deniers were a fractional percentage of the scientific community. Most agree now that that was a mistake and is partially responsible for the issues we’re facing today.
Hes now endorsed Desantis, a person aggressively at odds with Bernie Sanders on a every single political position.
Still think he supports Bernie?
That’s kind of what free speech is about right there.
Nothing you described has anything to do with free speech.
What listening to Joe does to a mf.
Nothing irks me more than ‘free speech’ troglodytes who have no idea what free speech means.
He’s being called a neanderthal because he seems to agree with a lot of fringe opinions.
I mean that’s just a symptom of the biggest complaint about him. He’s really gullible. He’s not malicious, but god damn he does not notice a liar when a liar is in front of him. Genuinely I do love his long form content, I love how people can go off topic with him, but some of the people he brings on really should be going in front of Jon Stewart instead.
Like… here’s an example of someone clearly lying, dodging questions, and genuinely being sketchy. He’s gotten a bit better but would Joe Rogan push this hard against somebody? If someone dodges his question, how well does he bring the topic back to it? Joe Rogan is great when everyone is there in good faith, but would you want him in your corner if you’re stuck in a timeshare conference?
This is kind of where I’m coming from. I’m not a regular listener of his so my views may be outdated. I just think a lot of malice is dumped on him that I don’t think is necessarily fair. That being said, he is a public figure so being dumb only gets you so far as an excuse.
I also like long form stuff, and I like to talk to people who know things, so at least in an ideal sense I’m positive on his format. B
😂 for the timeshare conference
You’re dealing here with mostly teeanagers and bots… they just follow the herd… fairness isn’t really something they care about. All they care about is “is he one of us and agrees with every nut job agenda that appears on main stream media”.
It’s not a coincidence that the top posts here always agree with all main talking points of mainstream media. You’re basically facing the most brainwashed people out there, that have the will to defend everything that makes them miserable. Anyone who says anything against it will be called names and disqualified. Joe Rogan is one of those people.
They say “dead internet theory” explains all the botting… I think it’s just that the majority of dumb people, who have intelligence comparable to basic bots, are now prominent. Let’s not forget that half of the people in the world have below average intelligence. So, don’t waste your time. Just read and laugh.
