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    Honestly I think they look pretty good.

    But Elon is a fuck. And their build quality is shit. And I refuse to support that kind of company. And fuck people who do support them.

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      Idk, I talked with a bartender once who said he thought it would be amazing to drive one, and I said I didn’t think I could stomach it because of Musk, and he said I shouldn’t get political over a car. Well, they don’t interest me enough to ignore the Elon part.

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        I rented one in California. I was never been so frustrated with a car before in my life. There are no knobs, for ANYTHING. Everything is done through the touchscreen. Try navigating the A/C system in traffic. Or as the sun goes down and the screen brightness doesn’t dim, blinding you as you drive. I will never buy a Tesla, and it starts with the UI of the car. Elon is just the icing on that shit cake.

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          I watched a friend of mine try to parallel park hers once and just about died laughing at how shit the autopark was. She said it kept determining that the right lane was actually the curb, so it would go through all of the motions of parking and then just stop in the middle of the street. Every time I read about or interact with a Tesla, I feel like I find out about something else they added because it looks or sounds cool but doesn’t actually work.

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              This is one of the criticisms of the car that hits home for me. People are now replacing old Teslas which they bought ‘full self driving’ for without ever receiving the feature.

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          sorry auto dimming and extra brightness are upgrade features not yet in the implementation pipeline :( lmao

        • @spiffy_spaceman
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          Same exact story. The whole first 2 hours I’m constantly having my kids Google Google how to lock the car, how do we adjust the mirrors, how do we turn it on, how do we change the radio station, how do we turn on the air, etc etc etc. On the third day my daughter is just trying to open the door and she yells “why is this car so fucking annoying?!”

          It’s obvious it was designed by a child trying to look cool to the other kids.

        • @_danny
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          The UI is not the worst I’ve ever had in a car, it sacrifices a lot in favor of simplicity and/or software but a lot of simple tasks can be done through voice or happen automatically.

          Wipers are auto, headlights are auto, but if you need to adjust them without using a voice command, you’re gonna say “why can’t this just be like a normal car”

          You do get used to a lot of the quirks pretty quick. But there are a lot of quirks to get used to.

          Not an Elon fan, just got one for a steal of a deal through a family member.

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          The screen dims just fine on my 2019. A previous driver probably turned it off on yours for whatever reason.

          I also hate the lack of knobs but the voice commands and steering wheel buttons work well enough that I’ve come to terms with it.

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          What? The climate controls are always visible… how hard is it to tap or slide your finger on them.

          Since it was a rental someone before you probably turned off auto brightness controls.

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        It always blows my mind that capitalists say “then just vote with your wallet” until you use your wallet to vote differently than they want.

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      Honestly I think they look pretty good.

      They used to, but they haven’t updated them, so now they look dated

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        I’m not a car guy, I just don’t pay close attention. I drove a delivery van when the Tesla cars were gaining popularity, and I straight up had the thought one day how weird it was that there were a lot of '90s Ford Taurus sedans still on the road.

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        I won’t go so far to say they’re timeless, obviously, but I think the design has holding power. Their design language isn’t especially bold but it’s not out of place compared to newly released models from competitors. It’s disappointing that they haven’t made any bold changes, but I don’t think that means they’re dated.

        But still, fuck em.

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      To me they are the iPhone of cars. In a vacuum they are not bad looking, but every single one looks exactly the same. Just basic.

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        To me that’s kind of just the design language. Like how all BMWs look similar, or all Mazda’s look similar. Etc. Typically a strong recognizable brand is considered good, even in the auto industry.

        And really idgaf if they all look the same. Model s, smaller model s (3), bigass model s(x), medium size Model s(y). That’s fine. I don’t need a single brand to offer everything, I can go to other brands for variety.

        That said, fuck Tesla.

    • PP_BOY_
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      Honestly, why? Their “no harsh edges, flowing contours” looked good in 2010 but is now completely played out and ugly. Coupled with the fact that no Tesla has had a facelift in nearly a decade, I think they’re the ugliest cars on the road rn.

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        the cabin height being a giant bubble is what i dislike. they pretend to be smaller cars than they are. a small tesla next to a normal crossover vehicle is a good way to remind yourself how big they actually are.

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        One man’s “all look similar” is another man’s “strong design language”. I think BMW kidney grills are played out 30 years ago, but some people love them. Lambo wedges are played out. Jeep boxes are played out. Etc.

        I personally like the no-harsh-edges look. I don’t think it’d look especially out of place if it was released this year.

        But don’t get me started on the interior.

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      I think they peaked at the 1st gen Model S (love the red), and it went downhill from there

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            My parents have a 2013 Model S that’s doing just fine. It’ll last 20 years I’m sure.

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              I don’t doubt it can last 20 years, but I doubt any Tesla will last as long as an average Toyota. We know batteries have limited cycles. When an engine takes a shit it’s a few grand. When batteries take a shit, you’ll never even consider replacing them because they’re 5x-10x more expensive than the car is worth. So off to the landfill. Definitely saving the planet or much money buying a higher end model Tesla.

              I think it becomes economical sensible for a lowest priced model 3 if you qualify for all the rebates (state and federal), otherwise it’s an early adopter tech toy.

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                There’s a lot of misinformation here that I’m not even going to bother to respond to

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                  Ya that would be difficult for a Tesla fan. Easier just to make a baseless claim and pretend you could but simply don’t want to refute anything with facts.

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    I just feel bad for people who went in during Elon’s “good” years (heavy quotations). He’s nothing but a glorified car salesman and a verified idiot now, but for a while there, some people just wanted a more sustainable car.

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      Yeah it was legitimately the only viable EV when I got one. I still love the car but am absolutely embarrassed by it because of that asshole.

      • @money_loo
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        Have you considered living your life and not worrying about what other people think?

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          Poorly worded on my part. I genuinely oppose everything Elon Musk stands for, so it’s more like cognitive dissonance than embarrassment.

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          There’s nothing wrong with or abnormal about being aware of your image or how you are perceived. Knowledge of self and self awareness and all that. Standard unavoidable reality of life.

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            Nobody follow this person’s advice. I am old, and one of the best things about life now is the freedom not to give a fuck about the dumbass judgemental thoughts of others. I do what I want regardless of what people think, and life is great.

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        That’s like saying you are embarrassed by an Android phone

        • @Staccato
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          Android was never the only player in the cell phone OS market. Tesla was the only player in the EV market until last year more or less

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            Android is still the only player in the cellphone market if you don’t want to be treated like a brain damaged gerbil who can’t be trusted with accessing a file system.

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            I think your perception of last year like mine toes back several by covid effect. Other brands have had comparable electric vehicles for years now, and even then Tesla was never alone in the EV market.

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              Comparable? Not really. The i3, Leaf, and Bolt didn’t have the same fast charging capability or range as the Model 3, and luxury brands are out of reach for the average consumer.

              The vehicles that are actually putting out comparable specs had their first model years in 2021 (Ford, VW) or 2022 (Hyundai and Kia).

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              Not comparable stock. Even in Q1 2022, 75% of all EV sales in the US were Teslas.

              When I bought mine, I legitimately tried to get a Ford or a Volvo, but the dealerships had no stock and kept adding insane dealer fees and markups. With my used Tesla I just had to wait a week for delivery. Musk hadn’t gone fully off the deepend either yet.

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                Yup, got mine in 2018. He’d done shitty things by that time but wasn’t full mask off. At the time the only 2 real alternatives were the bolt and leaf. Neither had enough range for me.

                But now? My next EV will not be a Tesla. I’m driving this one till the wheels fall off, but already there are better alternatives on the market. With everyone adopting NACS there’s pretty much no downside.

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            Last year? Dude there have been viable alternatives for years now.

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              Tesla has definitely invested more heavily in infrastructure (mostly charging network) then any other manufacturer producing electric cars in the US.

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              Not really, if you look at non-luxury EV range and fast charging speed/time, other companies have only been catching up since the 2021 model year. The Leaf and the Bolt never really measured up on that front.

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                That’s true, but that’s assuming everyone buying an EV considers the maximum range the only thing that matters. If I’m buying an EV it’s going to be mostly confined to my daily commute which makes range kind of irrelevant. If you have a home charger and don’t plan on taking roadtrips, range is kind of irrelevant. If you’re buying it as a second car, range is largely irrelevant. I could go on.

                To me, range is definitely a factor but not the deciding factor at all. Which means Tesla would definitely not have been on my shortlist, even a couple years ago.

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                  Sure, but in the context of the iPhone/Android analogy, we had plenty of cheap smartphones in the market as well. The cheap ones just didn’t meet the same consumer niche.

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      Yes I agree. It’s unfortunate he decided to become the face and wallet of the right.

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    I hate Elon musk but Tesla is the best thing that happened to this planet because no other car manufacturer was bothered to do the groundwork required to get electric cars going. They lie and spread corruption before Elon came along.

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        Other people are just too awful to share space with. Cars are going to be around as long as people are irritating.

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          I’ve changed jobs, and moved, to get my commute down to 10 min each way.

          As much as I can I ride my motorcycle.

          There is nothing I can do to actually be rid of a car, and people who think that can change in American society are just fooling themselves.

          Sure it would be great to have high speed rail, and a variety of public transit options, none of that is going to change the suburban sprawl.

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            While I’m not naive enough to think there will be any meaningful reduction in personal car usage in my remaining lifetime (~20-30 years), I’d like us to START making infrastructure investments that will at least point us in the right direction. But no, it’s endless stroads and sprawl and retail development and single family housing as far as the eye can see.

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            Many people spend their whole lives in cities like New York never owning a car.

            Its not absurd to expect Americans to never own cars it’s absurd to expect it to happen before you built cities that enable car free lifestyles. People like to frame it as chicken and egg but it’s not, density and lifestyle always follow transportation infrastructure.

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        A) society is not planned by a god that sees the most optimal path and picks it, it works like evolution tweaking and building and slightly shifting what came before it. Do you have a viable plan for convincing 7 billion people to give up their cars without literal revolution in the streets? No? Then guess, what, cars might be part of the future.

        B) from a basic ablist standpoint how are you going to get a frail 90 year old woman from the train station or her house without using a car? On a special bike with extra suspension and an enclosed carriage and a motor to haul all of that? Oh look you’ve designed a Pontiac Aztec!

        Should we all use trains? Yes. Should we all support the government buildout of more trains? Very yes. But it is flat out dogmatic to the point of absurdity to suggest that the future of transportation will not involve electric cars? Absolutely.

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          Bingo. They are better than burning fuel, full stop. Further EV shipping is also a net good. Biking and walking is the best, but if you are like me you live 10+ miles from work with no public transport to fill the gaps. It was either that or getting fucked over with rent.

          People down on EVs are letting perfect be the enemy of good.

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        We are not to the point of climate change where we can expect rapid, radical changes to the way the majority of Americans live. And when we hit that point, it won’t be made by complaining to the people driving cars, it will be made by politicians abolishing zoning laws, setting stronger restrictions on rent within cities, and heavy investment into public transportation.

        Blaming the huge number of people who can’t afford to live in a city and must drive an hour each way for work just makes you an asshole.

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          I’m not meaning to be disrespectible here, but if you think zoning laws, rent restrictions, or public transportation will have any noticeable impact on climate change, you’re kidding yourself.

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            Where did I blame anyone?

            When you called them heroin addicts?

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    It’s actually a very pretty car, to be fair. Too bad it has the build quality of this spice rack

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      I mean it’s ok… It’s not ugly, but I personally wouldn’t call it pretty.

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        I thought it was pretty when it was novel, but it’s been around long enough now that it just kind of blends in. I think it’s still a nice clean design, but not really eye catching anymore.

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          Yeah same. When it was new and novel to see one, they did have that kind of sports car vibe, especially the Model S. Now they are everywhere and driven around almost exclusively by idiots and assholes, so I have a real negative association with that shape of car now.

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        To each their own when it comes to aesthetics, I guess 🤷

        The build quality is still objectively abysmal though, that’s not a matter of opinion…

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          Yea, the early ones were bad but current Model 3s and Ys are good.

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            I find that hard to believe since this is the kind of welding that they deem acceptable on an S Plaid:

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              No offense but I know nothing about welds and have never looked at welds to judge quality. I also specifically said Model 3s and Model Ys which are their mass market cars. We have a Model Y and any small minor issues we had with it were fixed in the first/only service appointment without question. Minor stuff, no panel gap issues, and it felt well built.

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                I don’t know much about welds either, but I can tell that it’s awful work. I’ve also shown these to people who are experts at welding and car construction/maintenance and the unanimous consensus is that it’s shoddy to the point of being dangerous.

                You think the quality control is BETTER on their mass market cars than their bespoke flagship model? That’s never how it works.

                There’s an official policy handed down from Musk himself that quality control be skipped entirely when possible. Getting cars out of the door to shorten the waiting list is top priority, no matter how dangerously shoddy the workmanship.

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                  Yea, their mass market cars are known to be better built than the S and X. Partially because a large part of their design is still based on the original S and X which first came out in 2012.

                  Yea that’s BS about the official policy being for QC to be skipped. The showrooms/service centers would have to fix the car if the customer isn’t happy with it. So obviously it’s not skipped and Teslas are built much better today than they were 5 years ago. We have a 2023 Model Y and it’s well built with all minor issues being resolved quickly. There’s no major waitlist. I’m in Canada and there are Teslas in inventory.

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        Pretty if you like flames, terrible if you worry about the environment, torn if you are both ;-;

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    I gotta give it to them.

    The first two cars looked nice and they were the first to understand what makes an electric car good.

    But they fucking lost that too by removing everything from the dashboard and moving to a single screen in the middle. Their build quality is shit (Even Trabants had smaller panel gaps holy shit) Repair costs for simple fixes are out of this world (There was a video where a technician repaced a hose for the cooling system for 130$ where Tesla wanted to replace the whole battery for 20000$) Elon is a nutjob that keeps breaking promises.

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    Also stop driving in the bus lane. If you actually gave a shit about the environment you would be on said bus, not a brand new three tonne luxury car.

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    Elon frustrated me cause he gets his grubby hands into way too much cool stuff

    Like bitch tesla and spacex were cool untill Elon got a Twitter account and wouldn’t shut up exposing how shit he is

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      I honestly really thought he was going to be an amazing person for humanity for like… a minute there. That’s a big part of my frustration. He’s in such an amazing position to do astounding things and he just sits around like a bully asking for attention instead of lunch money

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    Fuck Elon, but dammit, Tesla cars look sleek, this guy is wrong.

    And Superchargers >>>> Every other charger as of right now.

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      They look old compared to other new cars, i’ve seen enough of that design.

      The Tesla Y gotta be one of the ugliest cars from behind that i know, it does look like a Model 3 just out of proportion.

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        Yeah the Y is proportionally all wrong haha, it looks like an overweight 3. The only Tesla I like is the S but still much prefer an i4, or even an EQE.

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          or even an EQE

          the front just doesn’t look good imo. they just replaced the… grill? (idk what you call that) with a flat piece of carbon instead of just
          a) removing that part of the design (like tesla did with the model 3) or
          b) putting a fake-grill on the front

          it looks okay otherwise, so i guess if you want to you could also just replace that plate with a grill

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        Polestar 2 has only 1 cupholder and is cramped. I don’t get who would buy a Polestar over a Model 3 after test driving both.

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          It has two cup holders. I guess you haven’t actually driven one. I’m 184cm tall and over 100kg, and the car doesn’t seem cramped to me, either, but that’s subjective.

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            A cupholder under the armrest isn’t a cupholder and this image alone shows how ridiculous/dumb of a design this is: https://www.volvocars.com/images/support/img5c7d9f20d8d926b0c0a8015245a6464c_1_--_--_VOICEpnghigh.png

            Half the center area is taken with the gear selector for no good reason. Mercedes perfected the shifter when it introduced this: https://images.carsaver.com/evox/stills_white_0640/MY2020/14351/14351_st0640_087.jpg Tesla then copied it (first gen Model S and Model X were actually the Mercedes parts/Tesla bought the parts from Mercedes).

            Why does Polestar/Volvo keep taking up half the center area for something completely unnecessary and more annoying to use. I know not everyone has used the Mercedes/Tesla shifter but it’s literally the most intuitive way to shift into drive/reverse/park and allows for storage/more than 1 cup holder for the front seats.

            I have driven it and it’s a decent car but it is cramped compared to a Model 3. I’m not saying bigger drivers won’t fit, it’s just there’s not much room and for the same money you can get a Model 3 which feels a lot bigger and the seats felt a lot more comfortable in the Model 3. Some other dumb design is they take away a bit of the front sunroof so that it can reflect its logo on it. Why? So dumb. When I first sat in the car I asked if that’s where you store your glasses and that’s when they told me about the dumb reflection. The cluster screen is nice but the rest of the tech kinda sucks (compared to Tesla’s tech)

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              It’s still a cupholder even if it’s not the most conveniently positioned. Passenger side person can use it easily. My so drives a Mercedes and I personally prefer the center gear switcher instead of resting my arm and accidentally activating the touchpad control in the Mercedes because it’s annoyingly positioned. The Mercs cruise control is also very inconveniently placed for my preference. I could actually live without the sunroof altogether, and am glad it’s not any larger than it is.

              No complaints about the tech apart from still having to wait for Android Auto.

              I suppose it’s just a matter of taste question in the end.

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          10k more, less milage, devalue more over 3-5 years, no NACS. I really wanted a polestar when buying my electric car, and I was will to bite on 5k more “Elon tax” just not to be associated with the asshole, but it was a bit too much. I hope Polestar will catch on quickly so that I can switch the next time

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      Super chargers can’t even do 300kW of charging

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    I resemble this…sort of. Except my car is already paid for and I really don’t think it’s a wise decision to just blow money on another car simply to get out of a current vehicle that more than meets my needs.

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      Yeah,like if tomorrow everyone found out the CEO of Ford was a pedo, I promise you the supply of used F150’s wouldn’t suddenly skyrocket.

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          No, that’s what it’s like when you have the car financed and pay your bills on time. When it’s paid for you don’t have to pay anymore, and you can keep on using it as long as it continues to work.

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      Fuck literally every gasoline car driver on the road more than you. I don’t own and hope to never own a car and Elon Musk can suck a fat fucking chode but a Tesla is still more respectable than every fossil fuel guzzling, planet destroying gasoline vehicle of comparable price

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      why would you sign up to pay elon every time you want to charge your car? like bro cut your loss already theres a reason the dudes the richest person in the world
      he’s already fucking owners who need warranty/fixes

      and the way he’s dropping his MSRP the resale value are gonna be tanking cant wait when he decides he “needs” to charge more for electricity now that the price is so cheap and the resale is gonna tank even more

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        I think you forgot that the alternative is to support a different douche-ey billionaire and subscribe yourself to 5x more expensive climate killing big oil?

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        I’m guessing Tesla owners can and do charge at home. I have a Leaf, and I’ve only used public chargers a few times. Under 100k miles cost of repairs shouldn’t be much of an issue.

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        I charge at home for $0.058/kWh. The company that provides it is also local and it does create local jobs.

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        Do you even know how EV charging works? Do you go to the Apple Store or Android store to charge your phone?

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    So are SUVs from BMW, Porsche or Audi. But heh I live in Europe, I guess the trucks in the US are way worse.

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        Almost everyone I know with an SUV only has one because “I might need the space someday!” And 99% of the time either leaves random shit in the back or it’s just empty.

        Same things with trucks. That bed is almost always vacant.

        But the one time they actually use it for the space, it’s suddenly all “see??? I sure am glad I bought a (blank)!”

        There are a few exceptions I know, but if the ratio is anything consistent across America, it would explain a lot.

        Meanwhile my friend who drives a Prius can fit a surprising amount of stuff in that hatch and still has better acceleration and gas mileage than any of them…

        • @Voyajer
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          It’s interesting seeing how many around me have pickups essentially as a personality trait with a pristine bed. I only use a pickup when I absolutely need to because diesel is expensive and I get much better mileage in my sedan.

        • @Polydot
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          very few things are more useful in a truck than in a van

          • @TeckFire
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            Very true. Trucks are more common here because I live in the southern US region, so you’ll always find more of vehicles designed for easier driving in rural areas with rough roads, not to mention the large prevalence of construction jobs here. That said, I drive on the interstate an hour and a half one way to work, and the ratio of trucks and SUVs to other types of cars is much higher than I’d think is necessary.

            Not gonna lie, I’d love to see someone with a lifted off road capable Ford Transit or something lmao

          • @golden_calf
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            You’ve never driven one have you? Electric motors are crazy powerful and it’s all torque. My Prius can accelerate faster than my Tacoma. What you are seeing in people driving a Prius is trying to save gas by not accelerating hard. Just because they often don’t doesn’t mean they can’t when it’s needed.

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              The fastest Prius on the planet is 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. The slowest Tesla on the planet is 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.

              “Faster than my Tacoma”. Is it also faster than your mountain bike? Lol

            • @[email protected]
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              This is objectively false. Unless you can prove that someone’s foot can change a cars 0-60 time.

              • @RaoulDook
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                Right, that Blimp person does not know how to drive obviously. As if every car has unlimited acceleration potential that can be simply unlocked by the human foot.

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          Sorry to hear that, then. One could hope the government tries to step in, but there sure will be loads of people to try and defend their right to buy wannabe monster trucks to haul their fragile egos around.

  • @seananigans
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    This is classic cognitive disonnance. If they liked the person who made the car, I’m almost certain their mind would be different. This phenomena is particularly obvious whenever you see something that was once popular fall from grace. See the conversation around Justin Roiland or even Reddit before and after their respective controversies. You start to see the people say things to the tune of “blank was never good anyway.”

    • @MotoAsh
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      That is NOT cognitive dissonance, but motivated thinking.

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        That’s what I thought. Cognitive dissonance is holding conflicting ideas/positions/beliefs. This can be a purely mental, for example someone believing that evolution isn’t real because of their religion while simultaneously knowing that we have a common ancestor with chimps. It can also have a mixture of behaviors, like knowing that smoking is bad but doing it anyway or knowing you need to study/work but procrastinating anyway.

        Where is the conflicting idea here? I think that telsa’s are ugly. Now that could certainly be an emotion-loaded motivational bias which has changed my perception of the cars (motivated thinking). But fuck it, yeah I do motivated thinking just like everyone else. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean that I have cognitive dissonance.

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          Not quite. Cognitive dissonance is not the act of holding disparate beliefs. It is the mental discomfort that people are SUPPOSED to feel holding two disparate beliefs. Nothing more.

          Cognitive dissonance is the exact thing missing from the kinds of people you describe.

          I don’t care what your opinion of the cars are (their build quality and after market support make them trash regardless), just trying to clear up the actual meaning of “cognitive dissonance”.

      • @seananigans
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        Even in the case of the Elon musk fandom that existed for years before? The fans didn’t all stay that way. They got fed up and left. Granted, you and I are being entirely anecdotal with our evidence lol

    • @Phrodo_00
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      I stopped liking Tesla when they released the model S because of the build quality. I did think the roadster was cool but that’s mostly because I find the Elise it’s based on really cool.

    • @TurboDiesel
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      I’ve gotten a few Teslas as Ubers; the back seats are godawful.

      • @adj16
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        What are you talking about? I’ve been in a bunch of Tesla Ubers and it’s comfy back there and you get a great view. Definitely better than the average Uber

        • @_danny
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          Model 3 backseat is pretty awful for anyone over 6’. And I say that as someone who owns a model 3

    • @suction
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      That’s pretty much every sporty electric car though

      • @money_loo
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        What are your top 5 in the USA?

        • @suction
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          Sorry, I have no idea as I don’t live in the US…

          • @money_loo
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            Yeah, that’s what I thought unfortunately. 😔

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      I tried a few EVs, I’ve tried non Tesla charging stations. I drive a model 3 and I cannot stress how awful the experience of driving an EV (or even ICE cars) is shitty when comparing to a Tesla. I really can’t see myself buying something else for the moment. The whole driving, charging, entertainment experience is a complete bliss compared to other cars.

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      […] credit where it’s due

      yeah, well, i don’t think musk deserves a lot of credit here. i don’t think he had an awful lot to do with the design and engineering…

    • Homer at the Bat
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      So you keep accelerating? There is more to pleasure driving than going from 0-60 in 3 secs. I would even argue that’s not even enjoyable

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      Have driven one and been driven in one. Shit experience. Felt like a dumbed down car that was uncomfortable. It has a nice display in the middle, but that’s it. The upholstery felt like it was done by some cheap shop that didn’t give a crap. It definitely didn’t feel like “luxury” or even your preconceived notion of what is comfortable.

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        it is not luxury. i don’t know where this comes from…? it’s all the cheap stuff, but it works and is fun to drive.

    • BruceTwarzen
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      That’s how they sell cars. Yeah they aren’t good, they have no quality control and they are ugly. But when the battery is full it goes really fast.

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