I don’t think such broad statements help anyone. You could have a similar statement from the opposite sex with different talking points.
For me the main problem here is the group thinking.
I think it’s pretty undeniable that the nature of “woman-hating” and “men-hating” is rather dramatically different where it actually occurs.
I don’t believe that “woman-hating” (nor “man-hating”) is a universal thing, except in brief bursts of anger and/or frustration, but when it erupts, or where it resides long-term, the nature is enormously different.
And also in the I’m sick of arguing about the patently obvious with mediocre men who are in charge despite the obvious lack of skills way (does not apply to non-medcocre men).
Yep! Plus they are often there because they have a woman organising their life, home and raising kids for him.
Reminds me of a study I read about a while back where they asked men and woman what scared them most about finding new dates. Men most often said they were afraid of being embarrassed. Women most often said they were afraid of being victims of violence.
I have never met a man who organized call-in times, escape routes, etc. when first going on a date with a woman.
I know within calling distance of my desk five women who do.
There is, yes, a profound difference of risk assessment across genders.
I think the patriarchy is a symptom of the sociopathy that thrives under capitalism. One of the easiest us vs. them divisions to make is between men and women. Frame rights as a commodity and watch men freak out when women want more of them, like it’s a pie to be shared
Patriarchy long predates capitalism. You can find intensive misogyny in Buddhism (which predates Christianity, even), in Hinduism (which may likely predate even Judaism), in “Confucianism” (no such thing, but it’s too complex to get into right now), and indeed through every society in history that organized higher than the clan level.
…patriarchy is a symptom of the sociopathy that thrives under capitalism.
I didn’t say patriarchy came from capitalism, rather that a general sociopathy thrives when private entities control capital. I say that patriarchy is a product of general sociopathy, that organized dehumanizing of a group of people comes from a lack of empathy and compassion, which of course pre-dates capitalism.
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I don’t know. In real life, I have never heard anyone say that.
I’ve heard lots of women (and men, actually, though far more rarely) in a moment of frustration say “fuck I hate men!”. This is usually shortly after one of those “oppress” things happens.
Never heard the saying “men are pigs” in a disgusted tone? C’mon now.
Not in real life, no. Just in TV shows and such.
Men who say they hate women are still scared of cooties.
Men who actively hate women think they are objects or property.
My mind always goes to sexual preference. You hate men? Lesbian. You hate women? Gay.
Men who hate men are lesbians?
The lot of them.
I strongly disagree with the idea or acceptance of “reverse sexism”
Sexism is sexism. Anyone who feels hurt by that idea needs to asks themselves why equality hurts them. And I’m saying this without minimizing the abhorrent sexism that is currently common against women.
As a feminist I hope for a world that is equal for all sexes and genders.
As a male who does not identify as a man (nb), I have plenty of struggles with society, and even though I don’t identify as a man, most people still view me as a man. It hurts every time a sexist remark is thrown around, and ironically because most of the people I interact with are pretty accepting and have modern views about social issues, I almost never hear sexist remarks towards women from them (which I appreciate greatly) but occasionally there will be a sexist remark towards men (half jokingly) and every time I raised my discomfort I was met with confusion. As if my discomfort and hurt is crazy because “men really are like that” or “it was just a joke” and yeah, I even got the classic “you are over reacting”
So for those of you who read this and still feel off about my view, I understand your frustration, sexism against women is still so common and damaging to you personally as well as society as a whole. But sexism is never going to be the solution to sexism, even if one side is massively more damaging than the other.
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I suspect the ‘I hate women’ is also sometimes hating on the silly mind games that people (often women) play, as well as their taking their own insecurities out on you, and of course, them wanting the toilet seat left down, but not the lid.
Cool sexism bro 👍
ITT: misogynist making shit up (or just being a stereotypical male boomer)
I know a guy who goes out of the way to lift the toilet seat, even after pooping, just because women have asked him to put the seat down and apparently that’s enough to piss him off he does it in his own place with none of those people around years later. Some guys get really obsessed about toilet-seat etiquette. Would be lovely if my biggest worry about men was about them asking me to put the seat up after using the restroom.
Again the scale of difference in concerns is rather striking.
Woman: “I hope he doesn’t wind up hitting me.”
Man: “I hope she doesn’t want the seat down.”
What a ridiculous four year old
He’s like 29. He’s been holding this grudge against someone he hasn’t seen in over 7 years.
