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Police say King Charles’s brother is in custody and officers are carrying out searches at addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk - read the police statement in full
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The grand old Duke of York
he had 12 million quid
He gave it to someone he’d never met
for something he never did
Finally! An arrest!
I don’t get it, what public office does he hold and was he elected?
He was a trade envoy for the uk.
Makes sense in a way, but still weird giving royal families any public office because they are royal.
There is more happening on a global level from the findings in the Epstein files then there is in the US. The US just gets tweets and soundbites on the news. The US is a joke.
Sadly, as I understood from a report I saw this morning, it’s not in connection to his pedophilia but to sending highly sensitive gov docs to Epstein which may have been used for financial gain.
But at least he’s been arrested for something
Always has been
Republicanists (no relation to the rotten GOP) are going to have a field day today.
It’s on the Beeb. Full throttle. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=M5I5ATQy6zk
It does somewhat undermine their claims that the Royals are above the law
I think it helps that his mother, of whom he was the favourite child is dead and can’t protect him anymore.
HOLY CRAP IT’S REAL.
I didn’t believe it when I first saw it. FUCKING AWESOME.
As an American I find this confusing to arrest a rich, powerful person on criminal charges.
Especially a rich white person
trump/fElon next please
Justice!
Not exactly, the arrest is about stealing and sharing state secrets, not the children he raped.
At least it’s something. At least it shows someone rich and powerful can be held accountable for crimes
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Hang the childfuckers high! As per law with due process obviously, and yes I know they don’t have the death penalty which I do not support generally because we can’t trust authorities to get the right people let alone to decide who should be executed.
Still though, send this guy to like a penal colony on some island north of scotland or something, building sea bird habitat on bread and water rations.
He been arrested for misconduct whilst in public office, so not for being a nonce. It’s for sharing information.
They can lay additional charges later. This just gets him in the system.
For sharing information about adults fucking children?
No
As a British person that’s something I thought I’d never see.
Arrested on his birthday too.
Got to have a couple of examples of the rich and powerful going away for their crimes so the plebs don’t realise how stacked against them the system really is.
Blame Queen Elizabeth. She was more interested in preserving the monarchy than Andrew’s victims. There has to be a better way to promote tourism.
The late queen’s protection of him was a blemish on her record. I’m happy the king has cut him loose to face consequences… I wonder if they asked him before the arrest…
They didn’t.
“The Press Association is reporting that neither King Charles nor Buckingham Palace was informed in advance of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s arrest.”
That’s an interesting development then. Nothing stopping the king from issuing a pardon
Uh, yeah there is. It needs to be recommended by ministers.
I mean…
I have to assume thr relatively precarious position the royals have is stopping him
It’s the continual back and forth they’ve had for the last several centuries.
They don’t want to lose more power or come off as weak, but they also don’t want to wield too much power and be removed.
Yeah. I think throwing his brother under the bus would probably earn the king a whole lot of goodwill with the public, whereas pardoning him would outrage people.
Though not much came of Jimmy Saville, but Andrew’s not dead
He can’t do that.
No the King has that power. It is exercised today under the guidance of other officials, but the King can still use the power without reccomendation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_of_mercy
It is crazy how much power the UK monarchs still have. They choose not to exercise it often, but the option remains.
So I dove into the law a bit more and the King must follow the ministers reccomendation when asked to pardon, but there is no indication that the King is limited on his ability to use this mechanism.
However parliment can the check it if they so choose.
Feel free to correct me though, it’s complicated text and I may be mistaken
The convention is that the royal family don’t use these powers unilaterally. There’s an unspoken agreement here that they get to keep their palaces and fancy lifestyle on the understanding that they keep out of politics and legal issues so while Charlie could in theory do something like this, he also knows that if he did, it would pretty much signal the end of the monarchy in the UK.
Conventions. That’s what kept the US somewhat sane, until it didn’t. How is that going again?
Almost certainly; Andrew lives on Charles’ private estate.
I’m not British but I’m also very surprised. I can’t help but wonder if they would have dared had he still had his title?
on his birthday too.
The cops took the phrase “the icing on the cake” literally, and I think it was an excellent choice.
I can’t help but wonder if they would have dared had he still had his title?
I would assume that the king and other interested parties will have known this was coming for a while and that is why he lost his title.
Maybe, I’m not so sure. I had thought they knew it was very likely the accusations were true, but they spent a lot of time sidestepping action. If public criticism hadn’t been so relentless, they might have been content to sweep it under the rug, as is tradition.
But I have never kept close track of the royal family, largely because I always assumed they were untouchable.
they spent a lot of time sidestepping action
That’s sort of my point though, they spent years protecting him and then suddenly a few months ago something made them turn on a dime and strip him of his titles very rapidly. I suspect that “something” was being told the police had enough evidence to arrest him.
Someone asked Ernest Hemingway how he lost all his money.
“Gradually, then all at once.”
Same situation. One person says something and it’s dismissed. Ten people say it and it becomes gossip fodder. A hundred people say it and it becomes an open secret. A million people say it and he gets arrested.
I wonder if the one that defected with his wife to california had something to do with all of this too, and not just snobbery to his new wife.
Charles has always hated and envied Andrew. He removed him from Royal duties as soon as he had the power to do so.
What did he envy him for?
Charles has a complex that his parents never loved him, and merely bred him to be Sovereign. It’s why he still refuses to move in to Buckingham Palace. Andrew was unquestionably Elizabeth’s favourite child, with his frequent failures and bankruptcies excused and waved away.
Meanwhile, Charles believes he was forced into an arranged marriage, and when that failed he was forbidden to marry the person he had always loved, with the Queen even refusing to be in the same building for a long time, despite the requirement for an heir and a spare already having been settled.
Andrew was allowed to saddle the family with Fergie without consequence. But Fergie is an entertaining grifter, while Camilla is known as the “laziest woman in England” by her friends, so it’s not surprising she never got on with someone so duty-bound as Elizabeth.
You do not know these people. This is knitting circle talk. Charles removed Andrew because of Epstein and other local infractions, as well as knowledge of him sharing state secrets.
This is detailed in Tom Bower’s thoroughly researched book.
The law wanted to send a clear message, just 25 years too late.
Arrested on his birthday too
surprise muthafucka
This should put enough pressure for Trump to be next, right my US American fiends?
Lol, no. Trump isn’t going to be prosecuted for mishandling government documents. Again.
trump/fElon should both be in prison right now, but I dont see it happening
You have to start by removing his title.
I think you play by different rules. The more mentioned points system means you get more protection in your version.
over the alleged sharing of confidential material by the former prince with late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
Really? Not because he’s a sex offender himself maybe? I’m happy to see an arrest, but fucking really!?
Because even in the Epstein files most people aren’t saying “ay Jeff, cheers for the fifteen year-old lasses we all shagged, see you next time,” but they are saying “here are the minutes of the cabinet meeting/this is what the prime minister thinks about regulating your company/this is the most he’s willing to give you a tax break for” in emails because that stuff had to be communicated somehow.
We can all see that Andrew probably committed some sex crimes. But being a suspicious creepy fucker, being accused, and having a photo of you crouching over a girl would not be enough evidence to get you or me charged with a crime either. The counterweight to “nobody is above the law” is “nobody shall be convicted except on the evidence.”
Yes, sadly, this will be about selling state secrets, not pedophilia. Of course, Trump did the same thing out of Maralago.
It’s sad that all too often there is insufficient evidence to charge people with sexual crimes, but he’s being charged with a very serious crime for which there apparently is sufficient evidence. It’s no competition, but betraying your country causes small amounts of harm to millions of people, which is not less important than causing extreme harm to a small number of people.
That was probably the best angle to start an in-depth investigation into his dealings with Epstein. Evidence that comes to light during that investigation can still be used for additional charges.
They got Capone on tax evasion, etc.
Max sentence is life imprisonment, so I guess I shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth, but it would still be nice to call a spade a spade… and other idioms
Might be a matter of what they can prove definitively. Better to hit him with a charge they know will stick than one that he has a chance to wiggle out from.
We can hope Mandelson is next, he shared information with Epstein too if I recall.
They never go down for their worst crimes. Usually they are guilty of horrible things, killing people with greed and knowing lies, but get taken down with sex scandals. So when it’s an actual sex scandal I’m not surprised it’s some other thing.
I think because other connected people don’t want to be implicated, so they make sure the person is convicted on something unrelated and use their influence to keep the charges off the larger issue perhaps. Never more true than with this case, they are all implicated. Who is they? Every swell in the US and UK apparently. Just presume anyone in the US that went to the ivy league and was in a private club hung out with epstein. (Private clubs started after civil rights triumphed, when they had to start taking in deserving poor and minorities, they started the clubs to differentiate between the aristocracy that almost exclusively runs our business and government, and the dirty charity cases.)
CPS generally charges what they can reasonably prove.
*and since he’s high profile I expect (hope) they aren’t going to fuck it up. get him for something like this, maybe it opens the doors to further charges. Anyway, living in hope.
Across the pond, whenever they’d get a big Mafia don, usually it wasn’t because of all the bodies in the river wearing concrete shoes. Usually, it was due to unpaid taxes or some white-collar bullshit. I guess they take what they can get?
Unfortunately, I fear most of the fallout from this will be that we “know” what some people did, but few will actually be held legally responsible. There’s the bar of proof that satisfies the public (the “sniff test?”), and what’s required for a conviction in court. In the end, any punishment is better than none. One up side could be that, because of what the public “knows” happened, those that are punished will hopefully be unlikely to see any lenience in sentencing. Not hopeful after seeing Maxwell’s treatment, but early days.
They probably have to start small, it’s unprecedented territory, and they’d want the proper charges to stick. I expect this also opens up the door to evidence gathering for the bigger charges.
There has been a significant development in that case, so that’s what they’re investigating.
Andrew, the consequences of your actions
are knocking on your doorcame to visit you on your birthday.He’s only 66?! Damn, he looks 80.
He’s been holding all that sweat in, makes you get puffy and age faster.
The Falklands war took a heavy toll on his physical and mental health.
One of his jobs as chopper pilot was to hover near ships, to use himself as a decoy to lure away heatseeker missiles. Enough to age anyone.
