I don’t like it, but it’s necessary because Europe needs to have trustworthy defense capabilities.
and we clearly can’t trust USA anymore.An own nuclear deterrent unfortunately is a necessary evil in the face of hostile nuclear powers. The alternative is to become vassals or, even worse, colonies to those hostile nuclear powers.
This is not a given outcome. Ukraine is not a nuclear power and are not becoming a vassal of Russia.
UK has vowed to retaliate proportionally if Russia attack Ukraine with nuclear weapons.
So Ukraine is somewhat protected by allies. Otherwise who knows what that maniac Putin could do?Also your example proves the point, be cause Russia attacked Ukraine because they thought it would be easy, because the Russian military was supposed to be superior to Ukraine.
If Ukraine had an obviously strong defense it would have been unlikely that Russia would have attacked Ukraine.
Having a strong defense is unfortunately necessary because of how the global situation is. And that includes the ability to retaliate with nukes.First time I’ve heard of that, where did you hear this? Searching the web yields nothing.
My example contradicts your point. You don’t have to have nuclear weapons to avoid being a vassal or colony. Ukraine is managing without, and what’s more interesting is that Russia can’t even use nukes against Ukraine to win the war. So in a sense not being a nuclear power gives some protection.
I have to admit I can’t find it myself, all I get is stories about “unpreparedness by the UK” and Russian threats against NATO and EU and UK.
But this came out years ago it may have been while Boris Johnson was still PM.
Boris Johnson was also out with very early warning to Russia about devastating effect to the Russian economy from sanctions.[The closest I can find is this:
https://youtu.be/38wK5l80TS4?t=37Clearly Putin has been send some sort of warning, where Boris states We send a message to Putin on nuclear, and he heard that message.
Maybe the statements about proportional response is an interpretation?
My example contradicts your point. You don’t have to have nuclear weapons to avoid being a vassal or colony.
I still disagree, because the reason Ukraine can do that, is that Ukraine has multiple allies that have nuclear weapons.
With strong allies you obviously don’t need to be a vassal of anybody.
Ukraine is getting really really strong on their own accord now, but still it can never be a match to nuclear weapons. And without the backing from nuclear powers of Ukraine, who knows if Putin could get the idea to use nukes against Ukraine?
I think Putin could be crazy enough to do it, and I definitely think Trump could too. Trump has no moral limitation. The only limitation for him is what he thinks he can get away with. And I think Putin is very similar.
Unfortunately Norway has become a vassal of France. And that’s possibly worse.
I can’t even imagine how deranged a person would have to be to actually believe that.
You must absolutely be trolling.You believe Norway has nuclear capabilities and can independently act militarily as a nation against a nuclear power?
Which one of us is ‘deranged’?
You. 100% you.
OK I take that as a statement you actually believe it, which is very far out there.
Of course I know they don’t have nukes. And so do everybody else. It has been Norwegian policy, and this is actually a change of that policy.
But having an ally is not being a vasal. Is France being a vassal to Norway for doing what Norway want? Or for buying oil from Norway? Am I a vassal of Germany for driving a German car.
Where does you logic start on being a vassal, and where does it end?
I seriously doubt you have the slightest clue on that yourself.
How is that worse than being a vassal of the US?
That’s irrelevant, because of course no European country is a vassal of France.
And not of Germany or UK either.It can be argued that we were voluntary vassals of USA in some regards, because we trusted USA. But that trust has been so thoroughly broken, that all European countries are now clearly breaking free of American dominance.
But for more than half a century the Pax Americana was mutually beneficial. USA has now broken that, and prefer to go it alone instead of having strong allies.
Of course, I was still curious as to what the rationale was.
Have you seen french people?
Yes, I have worked with them, talked with them, etc. Great people. As a Norwegian I have a lot more culturally and politically in common with the French. I’d rather live in a vassal state to a modern liberal democracy over the underdeveloped turd reich.
Friendship with US ended. Now France is my best friend.
Charles de Gaulle is rolling in his grave laughing. “See, told ya!”
France is one of five countries permitted under international treaties to possess nuclear weapons, and one of nine that actually do
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Most treaties froze nuclear weapons to the original five.
Israel, North Korea, India, and Pakistan all developed their nuclear weapons after these treaties were signed.
So what happens when RN takes power next year?
