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capitalism has so many flaws … for example the power imbalance with very rich people. we use it because we dont have a better system and thats it IMHO.
A principled democratic government limited by checks and balances brings peace, stability, and true representation of the people.
A well regulated capitalist system that’s managed by the previously described government bring wealth, innovation, and higher standards of living.
They are both important, and things we should strive for. However, we currently have neither.
Capitalism is meant to prevent the government from controlling all the money and resources and ruling over the people with an iron fist
But when you don’t apply laws and limitations to it, the ultra-rich become the iron fist
EDIT: Oh, wow I just noticed this is a dbzer0 user posting here and cross-posting to dbzer0. I thought I heard some stuff about that one so I went and read its description: “Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software. (And Math!)”
You should probably just go back to your cave. Why are you even here? Go be ashamed of yourselves, your anarchism and your generative AI. Lemmy World should cut ties with this one.
Ah yes, the evergreen “comment on the headline, never read the article” energy, for a whole instance. You probably don’t have a clue what you think you’re taking issue with.
Got any dork-ass ignorant takes about other leftist instances? I have a funny feeling ya juuuuust might!
The USA is a corporate welfare state, I wish it was capitalist at this point, that would be an immense improvement.
Corporate welfare IS an inevitable consequence of capitalism.
Capitalism is an ideology that venerates the accumulation of capital over everything else.
Nothing helps with capital accumulation like under-regulated and over-advantaged corporations.
To be fair, what we’re doing now isn’t capitalism, it’s corporatocracy. It’s the end stage of capitalism, the part of the Monopoly game where one guy has all the properties except the dude with the railroads, and the rest of us are hoping to land on Free Parking.
You shop from a handful of large conglomerates and they’re fixing the prices.
There’s no (beneficial) innovation. There’s no competition. We’re essentially in a truck system going into debt trying to survive from the company store.
free parking
That’s the tile where nothing happens?
Normally Free Parking is a square where nothing happens, much like landing on GO or Jail. Some households have a rule where they get a bonus for landing on Free Parking, such as all the taxes paid (like Luxury Tax), but officially, it’s just a blank square.
The board game, like the kleptoctacy, was house ruled to death.
Hmmm, true. Isn’t it less fun when the game just ends abruptly because someone rolled into free parking? Unless it’s endgame like the other person described but I don’t imagine that lasting long enough to get too boring. IDK, I don’t have friends to play monopoly. This is opposed to other house rules that, could sometimes make the game more fun. Like “you can stack plus cards” in uno makes the game play more like those funny internet videos about it.
History of Monopoly is fascinating:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Monopoly
It began as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Landlord’s_Game
The Landlord’s Game is a board game patented in 1904 by Elizabeth Magie as U.S. patent 748,626. A realty and taxation game intended to educate users about Georgism, it is the inspiration for the 1935 board game Monopoly.
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just to be a pedantic ass: the “end stage” of capitalism is still capitalism. it’s like the end stage of cancer is still called cancer; we need to continue to reference the fact that capitalism is destroying all it touches.
new phrases or labels only cleave attention spans in a world already designed (by capitalism) to have no focus.
It’s like the terrible “it’s not technically pedophilia, it’s…” arguments
I don’t think it still counts as capitalism when it’s no longer a market economy. We get all our goods from an oligopoly that fixes prices like a cartel, only for all goods and services that consumers buy.
It’s like when the body in question is more cancer than it is healthy tissue, the system doesn’t come close to behaving like its prior iterations.
The only step from here is collapse into war and famine.
Then the end stage of communism, is communism.
What Stalin did, is the end of communism. What followed was the decline and lack of innovation.
Ohh it’s big brain time!
Yes, that’s why anarchism.
Thats just even more fucked up libertarianism.
i think you mistake anarchism with anarcho-capitalism
Niche ideologies are like jokes: if you have to explain it it’s not funny anymore
My regards to you and all of your arachnid friends
No, anarchism is a libertarian/liberal type of philosophy. Obviously not the same.
Ah I see, you are American. Sorry for your circumstances.
Nope. Just blessed with the ability to summarize ideologies in a succinct fashion.
If by " summarize ideologies in a succinct fashion" you mean “be completely wrong and lack any understanding of the ideology” the sure.
Pack it up, friends. Teslasaur has defeated hundreds of years of anarchist political theory, it’s all over for us.
no it wasn’t, at least according to marx, who they claimed to follow
the stage BEFORE communism was the dictatorship of the proletariat, which they decided was extended, and they were representing the will of the people
so it actually never got to communismBut it did… and that’s the joke.
There is no “end stage” communism or capitalism that fits their own purity tests; they are both ideals that we haven’t managed to accomplish as a society, ever.
So, as far as humanity is concerned, what results in the attempt to reach that ideal is communism/capitalism as we know it (not as we imagine it will be at some point in future).
All forms of larger scale attempts at communism ends with dictatorship. There is no other practical way to enforce the “correct way” of existing within the human species. Correct according to who? Religion is pretty similar to communism in that way. There is either a God/king that expresses what you are allowed to do, or a written text that is followed at the moral guideline.
Aside from the deliberate efforts by the west to destabilize any socialist or communist movements, staged coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders, and rampant pro capitalist/anti communist propaganda, a much better large scale similarity would be to the wildly successful open source movement where the product/service is free to use (moneyless), contribute to (classless), and owned in commons (by and for the proletariat).
There is no need to smear communistic movements. They manage so well on their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
I do agree that web 1.0 and the 1960-80 computer science field was a great example of classless movements. But they didn’t come from communistic societies.
And the US now is the height of democracy, yes?
No? Not even a little bit.
The end stage of capitalism is mass extinction, a multi-national famine which is estimated to claim over 4 billion humans, and the potential to take down the earths biosphere if we reach self accelerating climate change.
nice attempt to control the conversation, but we’re talking about capitalism, not communism.
You are talking about capitalism, you mean… they are talking about communism. Nice attempt to control the conversation while admonishing another for attempting to control the conversation, that’s funny, you win a cookie.
p.s. this is not a one-topic-only discussion, even if you want it to be.
Thanks for your incredibly valuable input of nothing.
sure. so why not call it what it is?
what we’re doing now isn’t capitalism, it’s corporatocracy.
Capitalism is an ideology that favors the accumulation of capital over all else and, corporations being the most effective vehicle for doing so, corporatocracy is an inevitable component of it.
It’s the end stage of capitalism, the part of the Monopoly game where one guy has all the properties except the dude with the railroads, and the rest of us are hoping to land on Free Parking.
AKA the goal of capitalism.
Monopoly was originally called The Landlord’s Game, and was created by a Georgist as a critique of and warning against the inevitable consequences of capitalism and rent seeking as well as an education tool about Georgism.
It even had a cooperative game mode where the goal was to beat the bank by engaging in the kind of mutually beneficial trade that’s antithetical to capitalism.
That Parker Brothers (now Hasbro) took it and turned it into a popular CELEBRATION of rent seeking is exactly the kind of bullshit Elizabeth Magie was trying to warn people about.
There’s no (beneficial) innovation. There’s no competition.
And that’s a natural consequence of capitalism.
Contrary to the pro-capitalism gaslighting, capitalism is NOT about improving conditions for the many via healthy competition. It’s about increasing the wealth of the privileged few by eliminating competition.
You mean Monopoly was plagiarised by Darrow from Magie’s game.
Sounds like good old capitalism to me.
The end stage of capitalism is imperialism
what do you mean by beneficial innovation?
Beneficial innovation is the development of new features of goods that are a benefit. Examples include the invention of interchangeable parts, the power loom which makes textiles better quality and more cheaply, the invention of the point-and-click interface (by Xerox, not Apple) that fundamentally changed computer operating systems and productivity software.
Contrast malignant innovation such as shrinkflation packaging, software as a service or lobbying government to get subsidies and pass anti-competitive legislation. ETA: A lot of malignant innovation we see in the present day as enshittification but we also see it at the enterprise end, say when Enron pivoted from managing power to manipulating the market after it got overvalued to preserve the illusion of growth, and in so doing defrauding power consumers of California.
Exactly what’s written on the bible
