• Whats_your_reasoning
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    There’s also the “Oh yeah, same situation” crowd. People who feel the same way, who agree about the state of the world, and also struggle to get by.

    Which in itself, isn’t a bad way to respond - it’s honest, after all. However, it makes the idea of “reaching out for help” worse than pointless - not only won’t I get any help, but I’ll get more validation that I was right to feel hopeless in the first place.

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    If you’re struggling with depression, you need to see a doctor. To go with the metaphor in the meme, the average person isn’t trained to save a drowning person, who can also end up drowning anyone who tries to save them. Lifeguards are trained to save drowning people.

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      yep. i had a girlfriend with depression.

      she refused to do anything about it. other than weaponize it against me. and blame me for it. it was horrible.

      many folks just refuse treatment and act like the world is the problem.

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      If only I could afford the $200 co-pay per visit. Some of us are too poor to afford mental health.

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    My sister’s husband was one of the most active people I knew: jogging, cycling, basketball, long nature walks… It didn’t help him with his depression, though. Or at least not enough.

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    That actually sounds kinda decent response. The person giving advice is just trying their best, we aren’t all therapist

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    I’m fully aware of the irony of downplaying how complicated emotions can be ITT, but after all my years depressed or whatever mixture of things I am, I think the simpler concepts have done me the most good overall really.

    I came across these 5 words a couple years ago, and it struck me as the exact advice I needed for a long time.

    Don’t believe everything you think.

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    Try some exercise. For a brief time, the sadness is overshadowed by physical pain and a burdensome sense of weakness, inferiority and futility.

    It’s good to change things up once in a while!

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      4 hours ago

      Physical exercise has a very good evidence base, as good as antidepressants and without side effects.

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        My legs hurt, that’s a significant side effect 😭

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          You can reduce the intensity but the important thing is to keep going. After a while either the pain goes away or you get used to it.

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    Last time i really opened up, i was one upped and then fired a couple months later because opening up made people (my boss who one upped me) uncomfortable.

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      😑i feel you. Makes me think about gang members that rap about their life and people try to retaliate (to the lyrics). You’re just trying to be yourself and then everyone around you is just weird.

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    There also “you won’t know if you don’t talk about it at all”, take a risk and maybe it will help.

    What could go wrong?

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    At a bare minimum i always appreciate an attempt to help, even if their ideas aren’t actually helpful

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      Yeah my sentiment. Feels like if a person doesn’t give you the response you need/want then I guess you move on. Weird advice because people bitch about people going around with their problems

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    The sad truth in this world is that, apart from your close friends, your partners and your parents (if you’re lucky), nobody cares too much about you in general. This can be devastating, but it can also be liberating.

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      I mean, I think more people than that do care about your immediate a safety and well being. If you collapse to the floor in the middle of your bowling league, they will call an ambulance. And if you break down on the side of the road, odds are someone will stop to help you out eventually.

      But if your problem is “I’m sad”, then… what am I supposed to do about that?

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        That and in your first example you’re calling for professional help because you yourself are unable to help and that person can’t help themselves.

        For depression that person can get help themselves (though of course that can be difficult to get the nerve to see a therapist/doctor) and anyone else, again, is not really qualified to treat/help you. Hence the advice in the meme.

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      The sad truth in this world is that apart from your close friends, your partners and your parents (if you’re lucky) nobody cares too much about you in general.

      I’ve learned that if I open my mouth and admit I’m struggling or a little depressed, the relationship ends very quickly. Even if you aren’t noticeably depressed, it doesn’t affect them at all and they only know it because you admitted to it, it’s like they think it’s contagious. Now, no matter what it’s big happy smile and I AM ABSOLUTELY GREAT LIFE IS GOOD HOW ARE YOU? My therapist is the only person I will ever tell when I’m having a rough time and even then sometimes it’s really hard to admit it and not keep pretending everything is good.

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      i stopped sharing or trying to reach out a long time ago. its much easier to keep people around if I just do unhealthy “habits” and try and hide evidence than risk losing more people.

      i trust nobody anymore. safer.

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    What else could I do for you, besides saying, “that sucks, friend”? Asking seriously.

    • I can offer you advice based on my own experience, that may or may not work for you.
    • I can refer you to talk to someone who has a professional degree in studying feelings, who may be able to help you with better advice than me or prescribe drugs.
    • I can sit, nod, pat you on the back through words.

    If it is someone I know in person, I’d try to send them care package based on what I would think they liked.

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      The most important thing is empathising, and if you express that by saying “that sucks” that’s pretty good.

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      Saying “that sucks” is probably fine to say but it’s not my first choice.

      Really the best thing you can do is show that you’re listening while they open up. I interpret that as listening mostly and making brief comments (something you can say in 5 seconds) relevant to their story.

      Guess that’s basically point 3 in more detail.

      The practical stuff is cool too. It shows you care

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    Depression is one of the hardest things I’ve ever talked to people about. People that don’t get depressed don’t get it. People that are they themselves depressed can enable bad behavior. People that don’t believe in depression (thanks dad) think that you are over reacting. And people that want to help are usually the ones that don’t really get it either and don’t know how to help.

    Of course there is a bias towards negative experiences as when you are depressed those are the ones that stick out the most. But it still seems like bringing it up to people is such a mixed bag that most people end up internalizing it which only exacerbates it and continues the cycle of hiding emotions (I’m speaking from a male perspective if it wasn’t obvious).

    And as someone that has been horribly depressed at various parts of my life I honestly can’t even give any good advice since those parts of my life are such a blur. All I know is that one day I was just okay without even realizing it. Sure I still get depressed from time to time, but I think the part that has changed most about me is my perspective. These days instead of focusing on the feelings of depression I focus on what is causing the depression. Sometimes there is no cause and I just have to deal with it, but most of the time I can figure out what is currently doing it and try and mitigate the issue if I can. And if I can’t, I’ll try and distract myself when I have free time instead of sitting inside my head.

    Everybody’s journey is different and I recommend taking what I say with a grain of salt. I was able to face my demons by myself but I know I’m more of am exception rather than the rule. If you think you need help, you probably do. And I recommend help from a professional or someone close to you that has had similar life experience in the past. Talking about it may not seem like it helps sometimes but it really does make small dents over time. And speaking about it out loud can really help you work through something and put it into words instead of generic thoughts floating in your head. It’s why a lot of artists and musicians poor their emotions into their work. It’s easier to work through things in the real world than it is with the abstraction of ideas that is your mind.

    And believe it or not, the advice of “drink water and do yoga” is less about the actual activities and more about letting your mind and body do something else besides be depressed. Pick a different activity that you actually enjoy and just see where it goes. The worst that can happen is that you are still depressed but have a new hobby. And, let’s be real, none of us drink enough water.

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      A relative dropped their wii fit balance board on me. Unironically started drinking water and noticing a more grounded feeling by trying to impress my wii fit waifu. On days I skip, I notice a dip in my mood and energy.

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      Seriously – in clinical trials, light exercise resulted in significant improvements in ~80% of depression cases.

      I realize that going out and doing that while depressed is extremely difficult … but nobody said that getting out of depression would be easy. And the only person who can do it is you. A little taking care of yourself goes a long way – even if it’s very difficult, maybe at least try a little?

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        I found this out in the opposite direction. Whenever my health flares and I can’t leave the house for a few weeks I get really down and irritable. A 15 minute walk a day keeps the depression away