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Oh for FUCKS SAKE. Even after defeating a objectively bad progressive, this moderate dumbass cannot help but keep on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by ignoring the people who will vote him in.
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The most insane part about this is that, since hating AI data centers is bipartisan for voters, the Republican candidate, Tom Tiffany, is promising to end data center subsidies.
https://tomtiffany.com/tiffany-vows-to-end-subsidies-for-data-centers-in-wisconsin/
It’s like Trump successfully positioning himself as the peace candidate because Harris couldn’t bring herself to condemn a genocide, and couldn’t help herself from saying things like “I will ensure America has the most lethal fighting force in the world” at the DNC. Or like when Trump managed to position himself as the peace candidate because his opponent was the butcher of Libya who couldn’t bring herself to condemn the illegal invasion of Iraq she voted for.
Because the Democrats cannot commit to anything. They need to go.
Only a moron would have ever believed that Trump was going to do anything that would promote peace. His assertions were narrowly phrased to make it clear that he’d never fight a war over anything worth fighting over, but would happily do so for anything else. It was about backstabbing allies and avoiding confrontation with Putin, because he’s Putin’s bitch.
His assertions were narrowly phrased to make it clear that he’d never fight a war over anything worth fighting over
No they weren’t. He quite explicitly promised “no new wars”. Turns out you can just lie on the campaign trail.
And of course, you and me, we’re politically well versed. When someone asks us the connection between the JCPOA and the number 38, we know. We know about Trump’s illegal assault on North Korea, as well as Biden bombing Yemen. But most folks aren’t as well read and politically in the know as you are. Some are working two jobs, and just do not have the time to read up on all this. When they see Harris saying “I will ensure America has the most lethal fighting force in the world”, and Trump saying “no new wars”, all they see is one person being in favor of war and another being against it. Sure, they’re a bit under educated (for good reason), but based on the knowledge they have, if they were anti war, it’d be moronic not to vote for Trump.
And that’s exactly the problem we’re seeing here. It’s democrats flushing easy political wins down the fucking toilet because they can’t help themselves from making wildly unpopular statements. Harris with war, Crowley with data centers. Either they love losing, or these are their actual policy positions. You can decide for yourself which you think is more likely.
Almost like it was set up this way by both of them
Seriously stupid. The one issue that no one is ambiguous on and he refuses to read the writing on the wall.
You know how moderates are, Blue lips no matter who when it comes to bribery, especially when it comes from deep pocketed tecno-fascists.
He’s reading the writing on his checks instead. Just another bribed, corrupt Democrat with no ideas, and no shame. Nothing to see here.
At least they defended the honor of Thanksgiving, I guess.
Fucking alcoholic cheesehead morons.
Even after defeating a objectively bad progressive
:-/
I love “objectively bad” on a subjective scale.
But I love “these Far-Leftist candidates who advocate for everything I agree with are totally unelectable, unlike the corporate empty-suite dweebs I despise” even more.
Why do you think Crowley (and the rest of his corporate media allies) campaigned on frivolous bullshit and made the election about Hong being Too Woke? Where do you think he got all his money to run attack ads?
Fucking morons.
I mean that;s fine, I’ll just say she was dog shit at politics then and a empirically bad candidate that had no political sense that she couldn’t win run a campaign on great ideas that others made work. I mean even in Florida, FLORIDA for fucks sake, her fellow DSA candidate won her primary and other progressives were running won.
Hong was just bad at everything, couldn’t or wouldn’t address her controversial post history. She was bad at her debates. She was so timid that she couldn’t stand up for what she believed in. She was so bad that Sanders didn’t endorse her.
And even with all of that, she still barely lost. People want the policies but not with someone that came off as incompetent as her and not every progressive candidate is a good one, she was just particularly dog ass shit.
I’ll just say she was dog shit at politics
Sure. She should have backed genocide in Gaza and data centers squatting on your front lawn. Then she’d have won against the guy who got back in the race because a bird told him to do it in a dream.
People want the policies
Not the people profiting off the status quo
Oh for fucks sake. You are such a unserious person with your bullshit strawman, perpetual victimhood.
Again, other progressives like El-Sayed, Angie Nixon, Miranda Lopez, N’Kiyla Jasmine Thomas have all ran with progressive politics, being against APIAC, being against the war in Gaza, being against the tech bros and they WON their elections just fine against their moderate opponents. You just can’t admit that she was just too damn flawed and weak willed to be seen as serious. and lost because of that.
Me and you, we will never see eye to eye on things as you cannot see past your perceived victimhood just as bad as any MAGA extremist and can’t have any introspection, it’s always the fault of someone else.
Thank god non-internet progressives actually have sense in their heads to learn.
you cannot see past your perceived victimhood just as bad as any MAGA extremist
This seems like the go-to any time you get into any kind of policy dispute.
“Everyone I disagree with is MAGA”
Thank god non-internet progressives actually have sense
I gotta wonder if you know any. They must have a lot of patience to listen to a guy like you heckling them constantly.
Bernie didn’t endorse her the same reason he didn’t endorse Angie Nixon - they were both candidates in states where he didn’t feel hopeful for a win and he didn’t want to risk being blamed had they lost.
Part of the reason Nixon won was due to her finding a coalition between white liberals and black voters.
Hong barely lost, or in other words, she could have just as well won. Abdul could just have easily lost, but he benefited from having Bernie’s endorsement and being the first to have Hasan rally with him. There was way more media attention on his campaign than there was on Hong’s. By that time, the media had developed their playbook: dig up pointless social media posts; point out the most “radical” policies from the DSA platform; condemn the candidate for associating with Hasan Piker.
You clearly didn’t follow the campaign that closely if you’re just finding out now that her opponent supported data centers.
I doubt her post history had as much as the media claims it did, and if you are among those people that believe it did, you are just as gullible to the bullshit the media spins.
You want to lose an election in 2026? Because that’s how you lose an election in 2026
They don’t care, the oligarchy gets what they want regardless which of their pets wins the election
What’s crazy is both candidates are for building more ai datacenters. One of them is just too stupid and greedy to see that position is incredibly unpopular.
Democrats are also not our friends.
They never have been
FDR was pretty cool. It’s been downhill since him, though.
The guy that threw Americans in concentration camps?
Progressives need to fall in love, they say, where conservatives only need to fall in line.
They chose him in the primary knowing he was an establishment puppet. This shouldn’t be news to anyone
I REALLY REALLY hate Data Centers BUT the Media told me Hong was TOO WOKE so I GUESS I’ll stop drinking Water!
-Wisconsin Voters!
Ahh… “nuance”…
Gj Wisconsin. Ya fekken blew it.
He shouldn’t be able to campaign anywhere without hearing about how stupid this is. Make him regret doing a stupid thing.
This may be unpopular, but data centers are a modern necessity. HOWEVER, these mega centers for ai processing and mass surveillance MUST be stopped.
They can also be built to not require any water, or cause pollution (sound, environment, air quality).
Sure but do we need them at this scale.
Everything you just said is true.
However, DCs are apparently bad: 100% of them.
David Crowley of Wisconsin.
Controlled opposition
Waiting for the VBNMW crowd to show up explaining how we are taking this out of context.
Nah, this is in context. The context being that this is still the better of the two options.
Insert they are the same picture meme
They very clearly are not though. The “both sides are the same” rhetoric is pushed by Republicans for a reason, and that reason is that the obviously shittier of the two sides would really like people to think their shittiness is average.
Answering to the same masters is objectively the same.
Not necessarily.
Democrats refuse to acknowledge their side is complicit because they don’t want to face the fact their team is on the same side as Republicans.
I take it you’re a Republican, then?
The guy that said both shades of fascism are the same is a Republican?
Do liberals ever listen to themselves? They hear a critique of BlueMAGA and they instinctively assume it’s coming from MAGA
Well, if you’re okay assuming that I’m a liberal because I understand the concept of not letting perfection be the enemy of the good, why is it not okay to consider you a Republican when you’re basically arguing that we should let them win?
That isn’t the point. The point is that this is an obviously and obnoxiously stupid position to take in the current environment.
Even after defeating a objectively bad progressive
I believe what we’re seeing here is called “getting what you vote for”. Nicely done, Wisconsin!
Ultimately, the two candidates have similar policy views on data centers, as a piece in Vox laid out last week. Neither one has called for a moratorium on building them, as Hong did. Tiffany has called for rolling back a state subsidy on data centers, which Crowley hasn’t matched, but otherwise the candidates are aligned on the issue, calling for local control over construction and environmental standards to protect natural resources.
A governor kicking the can down the road for local governments isn’t the end of the world, and still an improvement.
He’d get more votes supporting a state wide ban. But anyone advocating not to vote D because they have the same policy on a single issue as the R candidate is just ignoring literally every other policy…
In the purple state of Wisconsin he would earn a lot of center votes if he took a hard stance against datacenters. Talking to people about the candidates here all they ever talk about is datacenters and Flock. Those two issues transcend the parties and would get you an easy win. Hong said some crazy shit on Twitter in the past and she almost won the primary because she was anti datacenter (I voted for her).
