Learning about religion in school isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We studied the major religions, Buddhism, pantheism, and to a lesser degree minor religions as a part of social studies in 7th grade. I think it was the first time anyone actually told me there were ‘options’ other than Christianity. More importantly, it helped me understand where others are coming from even though I don’t share their faith. If it’s approached from a purely educational standpoint I think religion does have a place in school - and I’m an atheist. We just shouldn’t be presenting any of it as fact or “right” when it’s all a matter of opinion, nor teaching them about any one specific religion and excluding others.
…But that’s not what Christian nationalists are working towards. They want to teach their religion, not teach about all religion.
Exactly basically what the poster above is talking about is the ideals of faith
MAGATS want to teach religion / organized religion
Well, that’s how interests work. Christians pursue their interests and other groups pursue theirs. There is nothing to accuse them of.
Although I believe that God gave man freedom from the beginning, and Christians should adhere to the same principle, free choice.
You’re purposefully misunderstanding or just moving the goalpost. The top level comment said “We studied the major religions,” which is different than the “let us preach to your child in school” portrayed in the OP, yet you conflate them despite their differences and sum it up as “oh well that’s just in their interest” as if that absolves them of anything.
Just because it is in their interests does not mean there is nothing to accuse them of, someone advocating to have -their- religion preached in school is not just a fragment of “educate about all religions in school,” it is completely different to give a sermon than give a lesson. So yes, the Christians advocating for sermons in school are rightfully accused, because that’s not education, that’s indoctrination.
Sorry, I think I have not understood your first part. I replied to the comment saying that Christian nationalists want to only their religion being studied in school. And as I said it is ok that they are fighting for their interests and not others. Would it be Muslims, atheists or buddhists they also want to only their religion being studied in school, and it is also fine. But not only one group is deciding and influencing on a school program. And they do not make it.
Preaching in school is different because you are insisting a person to do the act of preaching. And my opinion there is no place for such a things in mainstream schools.
And yes, teaching a religion is when you learn the basics like you learning the basics of some philosophy, and reading the Bible like you will reading “War and Peace”, not sermon.
Preaching and sermon is acceptable in private schools because parents are decide how they want their children educated.
And as I said it is ok that they are fighting for their interests
No, it’s not. When their interests are destructive to free society, it is not okay for them to fight for their interests.
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)
Is this destructive to free society?
You clearly aren’t reading my posts, and are just looking for a reason to be upset.
Teaching all religions is definitely important. Teaching that christian creationism is just as likely/plausible as evolution is a big problem
As a Christian, I couldn’t agree more! Let the kid learn about the different religious beliefs! I’ve been learning about otherreligionns and they are all pretty cool!
I’m against religion as an organized institution that influences the world on a daily basis, but fuck comparative mythology is cool as hell. Thanks to it we got Morrowind’s amazing lore, since it was one of Kirkbride’s fields of study in college.
Maybe we should teach religion in schools under two contexts. Historical mythology (Made up stuff from the past people incorrectly believed in) and Current mythology (Made up stuff that people currently incorrectly believe in).
The question/problemmatic part about current stuff is who decides what counts as “current mythology”. Even scientific doctrine is disproven (cause that’s the best part about science).
Now, I totally see Historical mythology being a great class.
I mean, dude comes back from the dead, dude lives in the belly of whale, snakes talk, all animals on earth on a boat…Do we really need laboratories and Phd’s to pore over these matters to call them mythology? I think science has more pressing matters to deal with rather than debunk fairytales. No?
When they mean learning religion they mean a Christian school teaching only Christianity, creationism etc.
Actual religion classes are cool
Nothing against the meme, but boy do I hate wojacks. They’re aesthetically unpleasing and something about them makes them obviously 4chan
I like them because they have a consistent style and can represent so many types of people (strawmen)
For me it’s those stupid ass expressions
It feels quite strange reading this as a Jewish person.
doesn’t this post sum up the direction Israel is going in?
Israel doesn’t represent Jewish people as a whole. Especially not in the same way Evangelicals are linked with America.
yes - that makes sense. Thank you
*Karl Marx The German Ideology Preface *
Hitherto men have constantly made up for themselves false conceptions about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relationships according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The phantoms of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations. Let us liberate them from the chimeras, the ideas, dogmas, imaginary beings under the yoke of which they are pining away. Let us revolt against the rule of thoughts. Let us teach men, says one, to exchange these imaginations for thoughts which correspond to the essence of man; says the second, to take up a critical attitude to them; says the third, to knock them out of their heads; and – existing reality will collapse.
All that’s missing is the “You are here” pointer at the second to last step.
Lol. Ty now I understand. 😆
Rip americans
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This post is arguing that we should not allow people to fucking quote: “freely worship their god” to prevent being sent to an internment camp, and you incels are eating it up.
how does this have anything to do with incels?
brah don’t you know, it’s not hateful if it is a joke and i was only joking brah
braaaaah it’s just a joke and jokes doesn’t mean anything lighten up braaaaaah
Yikes
You lifted one word out of my comment and focused on that single word that had nothing to do with the actual point so you could avoid any acknowledging the criticism. I’m not playing your stupid games. I don’t accept for a moment you’re engaging in good faith, sorry.
If you don’t want to talk about why this was a shitty, hateful thing to post, nobody is forcing you to talk to me, buddy. Just go on with your life and try no to hurt anyone else.
I’d be more willing to engage with criticism if you didn’t use words that don’t make sense in this context, leading me to believe you don’t know what you’re talking about.
It’s not shitty or hateful, your anger is the intended outcome; this is a satirical edit of a Christian hate-meme to display how hateful it is when applied to Christians
So, an interesting thing about the free exercise of religion:
Back in the late 20th century, many African and Middle Eastern nations came under the rule of dictators, who fiercely quashed any political dissent (see Egypt, Saudi Arabia). But because these nations had rich Muslim backgrounds, dissenters found a loophole: they were able to organize politically as long as they branded it as “religious.” Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood both started this way, as political groups pursuing political goals under the cover of religion.
I think in the last 30 years, we’ve seen a similar dynamic play out in America: people who hold political positions that are unpopular or socially-untenable (like “women shouldn’t have autonomous control over their bodies”) have been able to organize under the guise of religion. They’ve done this tax-free, even as they violate the very lax rules that have been set up for this.
I think, given this, we genuinely need to decide what qualifies as a “religion,” because a lot of this so-called worship sure looks like fascists organizing to overthrow the state and strip rights from minorities. Just because they sing some hymns and donate a few soup cans shouldn’t mean that they can freely organize to destroy society, IMHO
It’s a parody of this:
Is it? I mean it clearly references it, but unless I’m not getting something, that’s a hateful meme slurring transgenderism, and this is a hateful meme slurring religion. If either of them are intended ironically, they’re cutting pretty damn close to the Poe line. I’m not seeing any parody.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s pretty funny! I understand some people may take this seriously and that’s sad.
I didn’t say anything about whether or not it is funny. Do you have any comment on whether or not it is hateful?
Ok, it’s not hateful unless you think it is.
To me, that’s funny. I understand that some people can take this seriously and come to think that what the meme is saying is actually happening which may bring more harm than good.
It’s not hateful unless I think it is. What might you mean by that rhetorical gem. Are you trying to argue that there is no such thing as objective hate? That I can just choose not to find hate speech hateful, and that fixes everything?
For some people it’s offensive, for others it’s not. At this point, it is subjective. If everyone thinks it’s offensive, then it is otherwise, it depends on each individual.
I don’t think it’s that controversial.
I’m not arguing anything, I’m talking about that specific meme, not about hate speech in general. I’m not sure what you are trying to say either :/
What I’m saying is that there is a fine line between funny and hateful. For some people this kind of meme is funny, for others, it’s hateful.
I don’t think this post is against people worshiping their gods, but against the corporate business that many religions have become.
Yeah, it’s ridiculous. American politicians literally swear on the bible as they assume office and then quote bible verses on the job and then they expect us to believe we’re anywhere other than at that second from last step?
This, but unironically
When step 2 intersects with capitalism, all the other stuff just naturally follows. Sure there are people who legitimately want to help people (read an article about 2 Christians giving up their high paying jobs to spend their time making affordable housing for the poor and indigenous people) but they’re increasingly becoming the minority.
That said, money based religions are only one oppressive group that bands together for profit and control. Religions aren’t much different than political parties (hence the smashup between many) and corporations, organized crime, etc.
Human nature, rather than being inherently good, tends to be inherently bad. Hence why most giant groups tend to be oppressive by nature. It’s why I believe that there shouldn’t be giant concentrations of wealth and power.
Cringe comment tbh. Religion is a net neutral institution. It can be nudged in any direction. Majority atheist states are not less oppressive than majority religious states. America does have a uniquely large amount of Christianity-inspired cults tho. I would say this more of an indicator of America’s failing/non-existent social systems, rather than an inheritant feature of religion.
Cults, mafias and corrupt monopolies exist primarily, when the state fails at least in one key area. They act as competitors of the state. Competition in science, art and economy is great. In governance, competition means public chaos and oppression. Multi-party democracies are the only exceptions (to some extent).
I was taught about Islam in social studies, and I don’t remember anybody trying to force me to obey Islamic law at any point.
I don’t know whether there is a slippery slope, but I do know this isn’t an accurate description of it.
Person: here is generally how this thing has gone throughout history
You: my individual experience doesn’t match this, therefore you are completely wrong
Come on, dude, read a book.
He never said that they were “completely wrong”. Just casting doubt/sharing thoughts. Regardless, freedom of/from religion has only gotten better in the west for the last few hundred years. Please don’t let a few crazies in the US determine your perspective on an entire religion.
Throughout history, most people didn’t go to school at all, let alone get taught about other religions (other than “if anyone claims to believe this, kill them”).
There are some states passing laws mandating “in god we trust” be placed somewhere prominent in the school. There’s an argument to be made that by doing this, the states are mandating that education systems must promote the the idea of the Bible and it’s claims being true.
That goes a tad beyond merely teaching kids about religions.
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This post is talking about the dominant religion in countries where the dominant religion is far too dominant.
Of course you can study other religions from time to time, because that doesn’t disrupt the dominant one. In fact, depending on how closely religion and patriotism are linked in a given place sometimes other religions can be used as a way to dismiss the relevance or importance of life in other countries.
Were you taught in a predominantly Islamic country?
The United States, so no.
Karl Marx The German Ideology Preface
Hitherto have constantly made up for themselves false conceptions about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relationships according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The phantoms of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations. Let us liberate them from the chimeras, the ideas, dogmas, imaginary beings under the yoke of which they are pining away. Let us revolt against the rule of thoughts. Let us teach men, says one, to exchange these imaginations for thoughts which correspond to the essence of man; says the second, to take up a critical attitude to them; says the third, to knock them out of their heads; and – existing reality will collapse.
I will never not quote this when people moan about antitheism
keep it at 1 forever and we’re good
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