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- Die in a few weeks? No
- Get more users than reddit? No
- Be a place in the long run for privacy minded people to escape corporatism and have discussions about any topic? Yes
Let’s be real, most of the growth of Reddit over the last 5 or so years haven’t been the type of folks generating good content and discussion anyway. Even if Lemmy gets like 1% of the userbase this place is going to thrive.
Oh absolutely.
A large majority of the content posted there seems to be from bot accounts. No matter what you think Reddit’s active userbase is, it is heavily inflated.
Yup. I remember seeing a post of the top karma accounts on reddit and it was removed by the admins before I could finish blocking them all.
Meanwhile back in 2016 when I still bothered to participate in political subs it became painfully clear that the russian troll farms were real and that they were enflaming both sides of issues in order to manufacture outrage.
Than we saw the consolidation of power mods and retaliatory moderation/administration.
I hope every bitcoin and nft bro is left holding reddits handbags come IPO.
Regardless I’ll never go back. If lemmy dies I’ll get a fucking life or something lol
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It was here before the Reddit implosion, will be after. Question is, will you be?
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Glad to hear it. I deleted 2 accounts with over 100k karama, and moved fully to Lemmy. I’m here to stay as well. Reddit is dead to me.
100%, 12 year daily reddit user - feels like I’m out of a bad relationship. I moved all my third party apps off three weeks ago and have replaced all my time with Lemmy and the Fediverse.
I didn’t realize how poorly the experience had degraded - scrolling content mindlessly, most interactions were dull and sometimes weirdly antagonistic.
Conversely, my experience on Lemmy has been interesting content with more depth, connecting with people in a warm and welcoming way. I don’t expect this to become reddit - I wouldn’t really want it to.
I am excited for a future here as the third party apps are removed last this week and we can start a new adventure together.
Even if this does become reddit, here at lemmy.world, just move to a different Instance, block lemmy.world, and boom. Problem solved.
Would not take long to do. I expect many people will do just this. We’re probably going to be one of the most commonly defederated-with Instances, just due to being the largest and thus, spammiest.
But also the one with the most content as well.
Spam control really depends on the ability of the admins and moderation, as well as the quality of the mod tools. Lemmy is nowhere near the size of reddit yet for that to be a problem.
Yeah, but a lot of people really don’t want quantity when it comes to content, that’s the point. Some people really just want to get away from most of it.
Some people are a little elitist with it. It’s got to be the good stuff, and they draw lines between good and the 99% of everything else. Kinda like how most of the restaurants in the US are shitty fast food.
I’m not arguing for it or saying it is right for them to do so. I’m saying it’s inevitable. We are going to be defederated-with more than any group that isn’t political extremists. If that does not appeal to you, another Instance would be wise.
Did your post show up in a lighter gray because I’d viewed your profile when that other user was asking you about your profile info and you said who knows what to believe? This weird mystery is plaguing me
No, new comments always show up in light grey.
It’s more fun talking to folks than bots.
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Yep, I’ll be deleting mine today or tomorrow. Going to scrub my comments history with this first: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
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As long as there are some users who value privacy-focussed, open and decentralized software, I will keep here around having healthier discussions than I never had in Reddit.
Was using RiF and reddit for 12 years. Been on lemmy for a few weeks and I don’t miss reddit. Certainly not going to try to use the official reddit app. So probably not using reddit even if I wanted to in the future.
I will be. Haven’t deleted my Reddit account yet. Still want to pull out some saved posts. But I’ve unsubscribed from everything so my home page is literally empty. It has no more value to me beyond that.
I’ll be here, this place definitely has a lot more potential than Reddit does. Even though people may complain about federation this method is more stable in the long run, since individual sites can come and go and may fall victim to the same plague that Reddit is facing.
With content like “do you think Lemmy will die soon?” where would we be without OP?!
This place has existed for a lot longer than the last month.
Lemmy was here before Reddit and it’ll be around for a long time.
Presumably you mean Lemmy was here before the recent reddit implosion
Correct. Good catch.
Hmmm the main question is whether it can get it’s content to show up in search results - this being the main selling point of Reddit and other platforms.
Right now, if you help someone fix an issue it’s pretty much walled in and unavailable.
Yeah, I was talking to my wife about this.
Today I can search “whatever reddit”, but with Lemmy-like I have no idea how, since it’s not centralized.
im seeing content from both my instance and beehaw’s in google’s results. stands to reason every instance is in there. I expect that the software likely needs optimizations before everything is properly indexed. before reddit google simply indexed thousands of phpbb and invision boards.
Yes, getting lemmy’s link high enough on google that it can even be compared to reddit’s is a critical but immensely difficult battle to fight since the latter has 18 years of inertia, I guess it all comes down to a matter of pumping the OC and high quality content consistently for a very long time
agreed, is there any way to fix this?
i’m fairly certain that it really just depends on the google web crawlers to find and index pages. but if the posts are public that’s just a matter of time.
even with reddit, a post has a new URL so takes some time to be indexed by google or other search engines.
so maybe it’s just a matter of delivering relevant content over time so that lemmy results get preferred over others
It’s annoying - I saw someone using ’ (intext:“modlog” & “instances” & “docs” & “code” & “join lemmy” | intext:“powered by kbin”)’ which works if you put it after your search term in Google, or Whoogle.
For another engine, just appending ‘lemmy’ helps…
SEOs, search engine optimizations. (Only devs not me 😩 could do that)
This isn’t true. SEO has been optimized to find good content that engaged users. Long gone are the days of cramming together keyword lists and throwing a few meta tags to rank high. Write high quality (preferably long form) content and it will pay dividends.
Source: I’ve worked in digital marketing too long.
Lemmy will last because it was already around. I don’t think it will die in a few weeks. Today is my first day using it and I love it. I’m sure anyone who tries it will like it, too.
Been here a week or so - definitely different but I’m enjoying it. Less mindless scrolling, just good chats.
Two things to bear in mind…
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Lemmy existed before this current reddit fiasco, so it will exist after
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there are a critical mass of users now, and imo the userbase will continue to grow, with more and more unique content added
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Android / iOS apps are out, and in development. Mod tools are coming (iirc). As fediverse becomes less technical / easier to use, it’s only going to attract more people
I think it’s likely that we’re only seeing the first wave as well. The ones most affected by third party app shutdowns are the ones that are posting all of the content and doing the moderation. Once the apps go away, it’s likely the most valuable of reddit’s users do as well. I have been on reddit since like 07 I think, and once I can’t use Apollo any longer my use of reddit is effectively gone. I’ll still occasionally browse on desktop, but even then the only way I can tolerate the desktop version is with a bunch of add ons and old.reddit which I assume is next on the block.
We’ve already seen this on twitter. Now it’s just an echo chamber for nazis, increasingly fewer celebs, and marketers (which, tbh it kinda always has been, it’s just worse now.) Moving over to mastodon wasn’t fun for a week or two, but now there is a critical mass and basically everything I got from twitter I can get from masto now. Twitter still has tons of users and dwarfs masto, but that’s a lot of chaff for not a lot of wheat.
In terms of apps, some are out, but there is still nothing that comes close to Apollo especially on iOS. With the dev of Sync and I think RIF announcing Lemmy clients, that’s about going to be a done deal. Quite a lot of my regular follows from twitter didn’t move over until Ivory and a couple of other good clients came out, so as soon as there is a comparable set of Lemmy clients, I’d say it’s pretty much done.
All that said, Reddit’s already a shell of what it was even a few months ago. It’s maybe not as easy to tell, but as someone who’s been there forever, you can tell this is different. And I know personally, even though I used reddit like junkies used meth, I’m now checking rss again, discord for various communities, Lemmy, kbin, and even a few specific forums and so forth.
Spez running an absolute master class in how to ruin a business.
undefined> Spez running an absolute master class in how to ruin a business.
It kinda feels like watching a slow-motion car crash. Fascinating, horrific, hard to look away. It really is quite incredible how he manages to bumble his way from fuckup to fuckup… yet still has his job.
Like you say, 1st July will be interesting to see just how much of an impact closing the apps has on their userbase. I’ve dipped my toe back in and it feels like the discourse has gone downhill bigtime, which doesn’t surprise me… users set the tone of a site, so if a large exodus of people who have some sort of belief in doing the right thing happens, the ‘power users’ left are not going to be the nicest of people. Some will just be too busy / numb to give a shit, but many of the ones left will be bootlickers by nature.
spez literally took notes from elon and twitter, so reddit’s implosion shouldn’t be surprising
I think the app part is the biggest factor. I’m using Jerboa, and while it’s still good and useful, it definitely has some bugs (crashing when uploading photos has been annoying). I’m still sticking with it, but I can see a more average internet user getting frustrated with that or with the somewhat weird sign-up process and learning how federation-y stuff works.
It’d be sick to have a standard “this is how you sign up” tutorial built into each app!
undefined> I can see a more average internet user getting frustrated with that or with the somewhat weird sign-up process and learning how federation-y stuff works.
Yep this is it. Just got to be patient and keep doing what we’re doing, being helpful / polite when communicating, adding content where we cant. Rome wasn’t built in a day!
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Personal opinion: activity will spike around now, then plateau not much lower than its peak. It’ll probably never be as popular as Reddit. I imagine most people will run into some minor inconvenience, then never try to use it again, and the rest of us will be here for years.
I guess a big spike is still ahead, which will be around Saturday, once the 3rd party reddit apps shut down for good.
Mate, it wasn’t just created. This site has been around for a while
Aslong as I can shit post and talk about video game development I don’t care where I am
Give me a good Bethesda hot take, please.
Fallout 4 was the final dagger in the heart of Bethesda’s RPG credibility.
I agree, but I am hopeful that Starfield will help them rise like a phoenix from the ashes. Certainly looks like a banger of a game, but we will see.
I am hopeful, but not confident.
Same. Most of Microsoft’s studios aside from Playground and The Coalition are not getting my blind support these days.
I’d like that to be the case. I don’t believe it will be, but I’m more than willing to be proven wrong.
Bethesda makes good games, their bugginess are often overexaggerated, and calling Skyrim “deep as a puddle” is an inaccurate take.
Why are people downvoting comments that are a direct (and polite) reply to a question?? It’s not a disagree button… They are even specifically hot takes FFS
I know there’s a lot to Skyrim but I never got along with it. I’ve started it multiple times, but each time, I got over an hour in and it was still very transparently tutorializing stuff, in a way that had the appearance of having stolen the idea for having hidden-in-gameplay tutorials from Fallout: New Vegas but really half-assing the execution to the point where it was somehow more immersion-breaking than even just having a tutorial like Fallout 3.
I’ll watch hours of lore videos about it, though.
I think it’s here to stay, and it makes me hopeful that we can get a somewhat mainstream version of the Internet as originally envisioned. The corpo hellscape we have right now is garbage.
I don’t think it’ll die… but it is a community that needs to be built basically from the ground up, while both the Lemmy/fediverse backend technology and infrastructure are actively being developed. Reddit refugees who want a drop-in alternative to doomscroll will probably be the first to leave.
The success or failure will be determined by the number of people willing to make an effort to post. Whether Lemmy (or the fediverse in general) will exceed the numbers of other services… I doubt it, but we wouldn’t be here if we only cared about numbers.
I’m ride or die once my 3PA stops working, so I hope it sticks around.
Gotta say, it would be more attractive if every other post wasn’t a meta post about the platform and/or reddit. I hope we get some bots capable of ripping reddit posts and slapping them into Lemmy communities. As much as I’d like to pretend I’m a man of culture, sometimes I want shitposts and Tiktok reposts of someone’s dog being stupid…
I think it is just momentary, as it is the topic of the moment. Give it some time and we will forget about reddit. ☺️😅
That’s funny, because I am quite interested in the meta reddit posts. It’s interesting to see how things are unfolding. Though I do think it will of course settle down with time
I’m having fun here and it’s scratching my online discussion itch. I’ve barely been back to Reddit and when Apollo dies I think I will not go back at all. 16 years on Reddit and almost 300K karma.
Either way I’m done with reddit.
