It’s antisemitic if you don’t let Israelis sexually assault, torture, murder, and steal from Palestinians and other “undesirables.”
It’s also “antisemitic” if you don’t want a state that lets its soldiers gang-****, then kill a ~15 year old girl, and get off the hook.
Shout out to the state that pardoned all its own war crimes in 1949.
Committing atrocities since inception, no wonder my government loves them so much.
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Paywalled.
Yeah, unfortunately, I can’t find archives of the more recent articles since the paywall has been implemented some time in 2022. The second link is Middle Eastern Eye covering the same event, which isn’t paywalled.
Just want to go on record and say that the settlers really should not be considered non-combatants.
If you say that, then the settlements aren’t a war crime.
Occupation is legal under international law. Israeli settlements in Palestine are illegal because it’s a war crime to move a civilian population into a militarily occupied area.
I don’t mean to say that they should be given a legal fig leaf. I mean that they are participating in violent suppression simply by being settlers on land that the IDF scrapes Palestinians out of.
Just want to say that in no way one should have expected that violent murder of “settlers” would do any good to anyone, neither in the long run nor otherwise.
Haaretz has been fairly liberal and even calling out Israel’s government for the last couple years…
I’m honestly surprised how well they’ve been doing. There’s even an article on their homepage now (rightfully) saying Netenyahu is responsible for this entire situation.
its all about to end though.
The state of Israel has evoked laws of war now, and anything that can be considered “harmful to the national morale” means that police can arrest civilians, remove them from their homes, or seize their property if they believe they have spread information that could harm national morale or served as the basis for enemy propaganda.
See: basically everything that doesn’t line up with the ultra far right.
During the past week. The ruling political party “Likud”, have armed settler militias, and basically assigned them as marshals, and they have been threatening left wing politicians, journalists etc.
There are even Hareetz journalists that have had to flee their home from these settler militias.
looks like Israel’s following Russia’s footsteps, and USA probably won’t bat an eye.
They’re the leftmost mainstream Israeli newspaper
Great to see good balanced coverage, sadly it looks like I need to sign up to view the content though.
Thanks for that.
That’s probably because you weren’t really interested until recently? Haaretz has been critical of Israel since forever
Haaretz has a mixed bag of writers. There’s a very clear trend with the with the nature of the article, and the writer themselves. I don’t know if journalists like Hagar Shezaf, Amira Hass, and Adam Raz are anti-Zionist or just pro-human rights, pro-justice, but what they are doing is beyond admirable. Nationality / Tribalism plays a large part in the identities and ego of many humans. To go against that and subsequently incur the scorn of those that you are supposed to identify with is something that I myself cannot fathom. So when people do just that, all for the pursuit of truth or perhaps something even greater, I cannot help but respect, admire, or even love them. When humans have every logical reason not to do something, but they do so anyways because of what they believe is right, that speaks volumes on both their character and action. For that reason, I have explicitly decided to showcase Haaretz articles regarding this conflict, whenever possible, even with that shitty dog-shit steaming pile of garbage paywall.
Doesn’t matter which side you are on, no human should be treated this way.
no human should be treated this way
Absolutely, and that’s why an Israeli newspaper is reporting this, and the IDF’s own military police is conducting an investigation and has already suspended the commander in charge.
Now I’m looking forward to a Palestine newspaper condemning the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, and Palestine authorities investigating the issue and prosecute those responsible.
Well, all Gazans which I’m sure is what you meant by Palestinian since the West Bank is governed by the Palestinian Authority, are currently being bombed by the Israeli government. So you might be waiting a little bit. Especially seeing as Hamas hasn’t allowed elections in 15 years.
I’m looking forward to Israel freeing Palestine.
No human should be treated this way, but no matter what side you are on, you can’t deny it is okay to respond how Israel responds, to terrorism that involved civillian victims and hostages.
No matter which side you are on, you also can’t deny that Palestinians have elected and are controlled by terrorists.
So you’re agreeing that “no humans should be treated this way”, while saying that it’s ok to treat humans that way? People might take you more seriously if you were on your own side.
I agree that no humans should be treated this way and if they do this should be investigated. This happens in this case so I don’t see the problem here.
But if someone wants to justify hatred to a whole race by something like that then they are ignorant.
Any country has deviants. As long as they are the minority and cases are being under control it’s not a problem. But you have a whole region under political control of terrorists right there, and they are openly wishing death to Israel. Something is wrong with your priorities I’d guess.
So as long as Israel’s retaliatory atrocities are investigated, it’s totally fine? Cool. Coolcoolcoolcoolcoool.
What’s your country? Google up some atrocities made by someone of the same citizenship and suddenly we can tell the world “look this country sucks, and if terrorists attack it, we should blame it for any response, because they are terrorists themselves”.
Cool?
I repeat, every country has nazi or other deviants. Not every country is controlled by terrorists.
Yup, investigating atrocities makes them totally fine. Indeed.
(Also: imagine being so ignorant that you need to Google your own country’s history, lol)
imagine being so ignorant that you need to Google your own country’s history, lol)
I know it is hard when you are seething, but maybe try reading slower. The person you are replying to is not even suggesting googling the history of one’s own country, but that of the person you are attacking. This is an attempt to make a point, but you are so full of self-righteousness that you can’t bring yourself to engage in a good faith discussion.
If you can keep in memory all the deeds of millions of people I’m happy for you.
Yup, investigating atrocities makes them totally fine. Indeed.
No, it makes it more likely to be handled properly. Can’t expect such a thing with terrorists, can you?
Actually, what exactly are you going to do about what Israel is doing now? Is there also anything you will do about what Palestinians did? Or what exactly makes what they did okay in your book?
Why is it okay to respond to barbaric violence with more barbaric violence? Butchering civilians does not make the civilians like you. And if even you— who is probably totally unaffected by this— think it’s okay to respond with barbarity in turn, how do you think the affected civilians will feel when deciding on another leader down the line?
I thought we as a society decided that eye-for-an-eye was impractical if the goal is forward progress. I genuinely don’t see how, in modern society, you think people “can’t deny it is okay” to engage in cruelty for the sake of revenge. Like I can see why people feel that way, but you think literally everyone thinks that?
I’m not even saying violence isn’t allowed or whatever. I do think that Hamas should be obliterated, probably with those bladed hellfire missiles. But what purpose does pointless cruelty ever serve?
Something is wrong if you are resorting to “eye for the eye” phrase. Israel doesn’t do barbarian attacks like what has happened on October 7th. They at least have some experience and instruments for targeted attacks, that will let them avoid as many needless victims as possible. Palestinians are very different from that.
Where exactly do you see pointless cruelty from Israel? Did you read the article or just the headline? No civillians were killed and the case is getting investigated as it should. This is not a massive case.
This is not a revenge. This was a critical point when Israel found it can no longer defend passively against terrorists, so it’s obvious what will happen next.
No civillians were killed
That’s… certainly an interesting claim. Which box of cereal are you getting your news from? I guess all these dead kids are just terrorists-in-bud.
I’m referring to the OP article that we are commenting on. Are you high?
You mean the OP that literally details the things you’re saying either aren’t atrocities or aren’t happening?
Are you high?
And I repeat.
No civillians were killed and the case is getting investigated as it should. This is not a massive case.
Don’t be afraid to take a side. They aren’t too kind to any Israelites. Matter of fact, why don’t you search any of these “unbiased” users’ comment history and see if they say anything even remotely defending the IDF or their soldiers.
I take a stance and it’s anti-terrorism - fuck Hamas and fuck the Palestinians that defend it. This is war.
Hi everyone, here’s a non-paywalled mirror.
Thank you. I’ll edit this into the OP.
“the most moral army in the world”
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Where’s the article? The link just has 1 paragraph
You need a subscription to read it
Use Firefox relay to subscribe. I just did it, it lets me read 6 articles a month apparently. But I’m going to try to use relay again after I read the six. Let’s see if it works.
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