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The Biden administration requested Israel detail the thinking and process behind the recent strike on the Jabalia Refugee Camp in Northern Gaza, according to a U.S. official, who like others was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations.
“The U.S. asked for an explanation of the first [attack] on Jabalia,” said the official, adding that the conversation was in the context of “asking Israel to do more to avoid civilian casualties.”
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May not be relevant anymore but Israeli reserve major general Oren Shachor, explained in 2014: “If we kill their families, that will frighten them.”
Hope that clears things up Mr President 🙏
That sounds a lot like he was proposing literal terrorism?
Yep.
Just wait until you hear that on July 19th 2018, Israel passed the nation-state law which states in it’s basic principles, “The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.” Meaning Arabs and Muslims are not entitled to the same rights or freedom as Jewish people.
Using violence to intimidate groups for political aims? The actual definition of terrorism? The devil you say.
… duh.
One mans’ terrorist is another mans’ freedom figther.
Generally yeah, but I don’t think an established and recognized independent nation-state can say it’s fighting for its freedom.
And do we have any proof that it wasn’t just some stupid thing somebody stupid said that nothing came out of?
I never even heard of that guy and can’t find him on Google.
Yeah it was my bad googled the family name wrong initially
Yeah, Israel isn’t killing anybody’s whole family… Oh wait.
And do you have any proof that it wasn’t just some stupid thing somebody stupid said that nothing came out of?
I never even heard of that guy and can’t find him on Google.
Sure!
So, the stupid opinion of a retired person (as of 2014 already…) which isn’t even filling an active role in the military, and is already deceased.
Meaning no actual IDF policy or strategy whatsoever.
Well that’s great news! Now I can ignore:
- The IDF shoots unarmed protestors
- The IDF shoots professional soccer players in the feet
- The IDF indiscriminately bombs children and has killed at least 3000 children in this month alone!
- The IDF has killed at least 2443 children since 2000, before this slaughter
- The IDF has killed 10 unarmed Turkish people for bringing aid to Palestine
I mean I can keep going, but why bother? You’re saying that this stuff doesn’t matter! It’s great to just brush off Israeli apartheid!
It is actually just a proposal without any weight, which might not even be considered at all by any acting part of government - despite its name, that office usually has very little political power and does nothing but prepare documents and research.
Now, you cannot link me isolated instances older than 5 years - on each we can deep dive into discussion about disagreements (since they are often biased against Israel, and exaggerate or invent some facts, and leave others out… But not always, sometimes soldiers fuck up and do things that they should be judged for, of course it can happen) to support a claim that is only recently made about a supposed policy.
Israel has killed a Palestinian children daily since it’s inception, this isn’t isolated. I’ll let you be delusional on your own.
Nice context.
Israel: “Because, fuck your.”
US: “Oh ok.” Signs check over for billions more in aid and weapons.
“cmon, they’re brown”
“oh yeah, my bad, carry on, here’s more money”
What’s to explain? The Palestinian problem isn’t going to solve itself, y’know. So obviously, the IDF needs to provide a little final assistance.
I only wish this was a joke in exceptionally poor taste on my part, but Bibi flat out admitted that the goal was ethnic cleansing, so here we are…
No he didn’t, what evidence do you have to support Bibi claimed that? He’s a corrupt ass, but he’s not that evil and stupid.
Ah, my apologies, you’re correct. It wasn’t Bibi, it was the Ministry of Intelligence that recommended forcibly expelling the population of Gaza to Egypt.
How is anything written there equal to ethnic cleansing?
Can we stop muddying the meaning of that very serious term?
From wikipedia:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.
How is what they’re proposing not ethnic cleansing? The entire point of Israel is to be a Jewish ethno-state, they’re proposing forcibly kicking out all the Gazans, and if you think that wouldn’t be immediately followed up by a flood of Zionists taking over the newly vacant land and Israel annexing it I honestly don’t know what to say to you that wouldn’t be insulting in some manner.
It is actually just a proposal without any weight, which might not even be considered at all by any acting part of government - despite it’s name, that office usually has very little political power and does nothing but prepare documents and research.
First, Gazans are not living in Israel and are not citizens of Israel. So they are not proposing kicking Gazans “out of Israel” (unless that land is annexed but currently, nobody wants that).
Second, my bad, I was thinking about genocide as the main means of ethnic cleansing - like Hamas wants - and was wrong about the full definition because of my limited association.
However, that’s still not ethnic cleansing, since the intent here is not to make the region ethnically homogeneous. The intent is to make the region safe, to deny the possibility of Oct 7 repeating itself. So it is not ethnic cleansing.
And unrelated to the conflict: the entire point of Israel is to have a safe place for Jews, not to be an ethno-state. And you can see how many people around the world showed their true anti-Semitic faces, and how much its existence is being justified sadly.
Israeli forces have already released explanations regarding these strikes to the press:
First strike:
An Israel Defense Forces statement said the strike on Jabalia, Gaza’s largest refugee camp, had killed Ibrahim Biari. It said he was a ringleader of what it called the “murderous terror attack” on Oct. 7.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-fires-israeli-troops-pressing-gaza-ground-assault-2023-10-31/Second strike:
The Israeli military said its fighter jets struck a Hamas command and control complex in Jabalia “based on precise intelligence,” killing the head of the Islamist group’s anti-tank missile unit, Muhammad A’sar.
“Hamas deliberately builds its terror infrastructure under, around and within civilian buildings, intentionally endangering Gazan civilians,” an Israeli statement said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-jets-strike-gaza-camp-says-hamas-commander-killed-2023-11-01/It seems like the US wants some press showing they are concerned, I would be surprised if they didn’t already know exactly what is happening and why.
I only hire murders to watch my children, said the man who lost his loved ones to the famous family murderer. When asked why the man relayed that “his CV was quite impressive and he provided references.”
I’ve re read your comment multiple times and I still can’t figure out what you’re trying to say. Don’t like what the above commenter is saying? Prove him wrong then.
Apologies for your lack of comprehension. I think the material of “his” statements and the context of mine already does that. So sorry you don’t understand, but don’t feel bad, I’m sure you’re great at lots of things!
This is a country teaching young children that all Jews must be exterminated. Not Israelis, Jews. This country is ran by a group who openly call for the extermination of all Jews and are willing to hide in areas designated for civilians for protection. Everything I have said is fact and I can prove to you easily. Why then, are you talking down to someone providing more evidence and context? Israel said they targeted these area because Hamas leaders were hiding there. What Israeli leaders were hiding at the rave on oct. 7th? Why are you so hostile to anyone providing nuance to this conflict? I see you constantly belittling anyone who tries to provide explanations for Israel’s motives. The guy you were talking down to didn’t even say anything pro Israel, he just offered their explanation. Instead of being an asshole to people that go against your narrative, how about you provide them with proof that they are wrong??
“your narrative”, K.
Here is evidence of Hamas telling Palestinians to stay put https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-tells-gaza-residents-stay-home-israel-ground-offensive-looms-2023-10-13/
Here is evidence of Israel giving 24 hours notice before bombing and saying that the bombings will not stop until all hostages are released https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120042
Here is evidence that neighboring countries do not want Palestinian refugees https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/war-in-israel/jordan-egypt-palestinian-refugees/
Here is evidence of why neighboring countries don’t want Palestinian refugees https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/70-years-ago-jordans-king-assassinated-by-palestinian-on-temple-mount-674480
All this evidence is painting a very complicated picture. One that shouldn’t be fought over like a sports game.
Says the person stumbling over themselves in a one person conversation. I at least hope you find some satisfaction out of all this effort. I honestly tuned out after your first comment. Please let me know how everything turns out when you finish talking this out with yourself. I’m sure I’ll care.
Here is evidence of Hamas telling Palestinians to stay put
This needs context, because it’s even more complicated. They’re worried about a second Nakba, if Palestinians evacuate they will likely never be allowed to go home.
Here is evidence of Israel giving 24 hours notice before bombing and saying that the bombings will not stop until all hostages are released
And zero guarantees that the bombings won’t resume after the hostages are released. Giving up their only leverage would be foolish. By keeping the hostages they are strategically destabilizing Israel, because it makes Israelis unhappy with their government. Knowing your government is going to kill your family has an effect on people, regardless of the reasons.
Here is evidence that neighboring countries do not want Palestinian refugees
Again, more complicated. They can’t handle a million+ extra people, especially when they’d be coming with nothing but the clothes on their backs. The burden of a refugee crisis could actually collapse Egypt, they can’t afford this.
If Israel gave a shit they’d take refugees into Israel itself.
It’s complicated, but it’s not inexplicable.
Israel’s explanation: Palestinians bombed themselves.
I saw that comic the other day. The answer to this is “It was a Hamas base of operations.”
To over-egg this comment: “What gave you the impression Hamas were there?” “There were Palestinians there.” “…” “…”
So Mr Biden, how is the weapon deal behind the Senate going?
Plot twist: US asks Russia for ‘explanation’ on Donbass military attack.
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