• @[email protected]
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    1291 year ago

    Friendly reminder: Mozilla studied 25 car brands and NONE of them passed the privacy test. Mozilla even said that cars are “privacy nightmares”.

    • @[email protected]
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      241 year ago

      I mean this is gotta be on the newest Internet connected cars right? Cause like aint no way my 2017 ford focus has that many “privacy issues” it doesn’t even have android auto lol.

      • @atrielienz
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        371 year ago

        Has what’s called a Telematics Control Unit. And that thing phones home. It’s basically a wifi modem.

        • @[email protected]
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          -51 year ago

          No it does not. Some models may. But mine does not. Also, as far as I understand you would have to have like a cellular connection or something for your car to phone home anywhere? And not only is that not a service offered on my car? . It would also mean someone has to maintain that device and ensure it’s communicating basically 24/7 . I mean who’s paying for the cell service. Is it running on 3G which is defunct now? If I even had one How can it phone home? I don’t understand.

            • @[email protected]
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              81 year ago

              If people really cared about privacy and their cars and were serious about solving it, disabling the telematics control unit or the cellular modem would resolve this issue pretty quickly. None of the cars on the road today need internet connectivity to function.

              However, if they have built-in Google maps or navigation system, well that’s always going to be a privacy issue right? This is no different than having GPS and maps on your phone.

              Judging by the lack of tik Tok videos on how to disable your car’s cell modem, I’m guessing this isn’t that big of an issue for people.

              • @atrielienz
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                Disabling it often bricks the car because it’s tied into an ECU or network that requires it. Even if it doesn’t and you could say go and unplug it or a fuse for it, the one in the focus (according to Google) is behind the dash and would probably require you to remove the dash to access it. You could unplug an antenna or something but then other features like radio or GPS might not work. If your car has integrated GPS do not be surprised if it’s the same antenna.

                • @[email protected]
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                  11 year ago

                  Disabling 4G breaks your car?

                  So how am I able to drive a Tesla across Northern Canada where there is no cell phone service or internet whatsoever?

            • @[email protected]
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              31 year ago

              As these cards age out, the cellular standard that they support will be eventually dropped and then they won’t work. Just like owning an old cell phone.

              • @atrielienz
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                51 year ago

                This has happened with 3G networked and older vehicles (OnStar has been a thing since the 90’s). People tried to unplug the OnStar hardware but they ran it through a CAN bus and it would disable the car (to prevent thieves from circumventing it).

          • @[email protected]
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            My parent’s Hyundai had no customer-facing internet-related features on the car. Still had a cellular radio for telematics. A potential tell is an SOS button. (That’s a non-issue since it’s 3G now and that went bye-bye but 4G is going to be around a while)

            But my similar age to your Focus, newer than the Sonata, Sorento had nothing that I could find. So it’s possible.

          • @NotSoCoolWhip
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            01 year ago

            I could waste my time explaining or you could Google it. Long story short is that there are many ways to send information that don’t involve the internet at all, and you’d have to get a mid 90s car if you didn’t want any data sent at all. They got worse in around 2012 when more protocols were added as well

            • @[email protected]
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              I could waste my time explaining or you could Google it.

              Sounds to me like you’re talking out your ass. Otherwise you could just explain it instead of telling me to google it. You did after all “waste your time” by even responding.

    • @[email protected]
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      151 year ago

      Notable was (I believe) Nissan, who included a clause about tracking your sexual activity.

  • stopthatgirl7
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    551 year ago

    Car companies really seem to be going all-in on technofeudalism. It’s definitely not the industry I would have expected.

    • andrew
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      161 year ago

      Here’s the reason: it’s not the industry that’s the problem. It’s the system surrounding the industry.

    • @[email protected]
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      281 year ago

      Collective ownership of communism gonna start looking a lot less scary to everyone when they own nothing anyway.

      • @[email protected]
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        61 year ago

        Communism would be nice economic model to try, but i wonder if its possible to setup in such a way it wont become mockery of itself like how russians did it. At least if hypothetically there was some kind of revolution after people get enough of current exploitation, most likely horrible people would worm into positions of power using the chaos and it would turn out like soviet union eventually. Peaceful and well though plan would be more resilient to corruption, but in current world even serious talk of such things gets shot down immediately.

        • @cybersandwich
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          51 year ago

          people would worm into positions of power

          Literally the reason models like that will never work. They don’t account for human nature. Humans love finding ways to put themselves ahead of others. You put a system in place to make people “even” – we’ll find a way to be more ‘even’ than Frank. That guys not nearly as ‘even’ as me. At the end of the day we are apes with hierarchical social structures. Any economic or political model that has a snowballs chance of succeeding needs to account for that.

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          I think the first thing has to be making the government more representative. Congress should be something like 10,000 people based on the original ratio. We don’t have to go that far but a country of 325 million people needs a very large people’s house. Then we need to make it to where people vote, not land. Get rid of districts, first past the post, and the Senate.

          Without those changes anything we do is doomed to just be another way to make rich people richer.

          • miak
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            It’s really refreshing to see someone else point out the issue of how the small size of the House results in shitty representation. I have never seen anyone else bring this up before, thank you!

  • Repple (she/her)
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    411 year ago

    One of several reasons I really want to do an electric conversion of an old car rather than buying a new electric car.

    • Pxtl
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      I’m not sure how feasible that is. Batteries are heavy, and take up space, and there’s only so much room under the hood for battery modules. If you cram it to the max, can the frame take that load all the time? It might work for a short-ranged car - maybe 100km range, to avoid going much heavier than the normal curb-weight.

      • Repple (she/her)
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        91 year ago

        You’re not wrong about those things being issues, but also people do electric conversions all the time, there are shops that specialize in it and premade kits you can buy for it. Low range is certainly a very common outcome, but I don’t have big range requirements for most of my driving. Plus, I love taking on projects that are way over my had and muddling through them somehow. It’s how I learn best.

      • @ikidd
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        51 year ago

        I have my shopping list together to convert an old Kia Rio to electric for 100 km range, it’s about 400lbs of lifepo batteries and a 200lb motor. So slightly more than the cratered ICE motor I’d be taking out.

        But yah, if you want to drive across the country, convert an SUV or light pickup for the room to keep the batteries, and remove everything weight wise that you can to compensate.

      • @[email protected]
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        51 year ago

        This is actually a not uncommon swap and some companies have even started selling kits to do it on certain vehicles.

    • @Mr_Blott
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      91 year ago

      Renault Twingo, the original one with the eyes

      Would sell like hot cakes in Paris

      • Repple (she/her)
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        I no longer have a family and don’t prioritize personal safety, but there are a lot of cars that aren’t too old which are still quite safe and lack all the connectivity crap.

  • @[email protected]
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    211 year ago

    I’m pretty happy with my 2007 pickup truck. Not sure I’d be interested in a new one even if I could afford it. I consider even the automatic windshield wipers to be too fancy for my taste and would rather have the traditional ones. Connecting my car to the internet is out of the question.

    • @[email protected]
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      71 year ago

      I’ll die before I give up my automatic wipers! Thankfully my 2004 and 2013 VWs have it and don’t lock me out of features like new cars.

  • @Beelzebob
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    161 year ago

    I’ll just stick with my 94.

    • @ikidd
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      41 year ago

      I’m a modern man, I have a 98. Well, and a 77, though carburetors are black magic still.

      • @Beelzebob
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        41 year ago

        I’ve said the same about carbs, all I see is screws and black magic.

      • @nutsack
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        21 year ago

        carburetors are fine if you’re not a pussy

        • @ikidd
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          21 year ago

          I’ve found a witch, may we burn her?

  • @[email protected]
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    121 year ago

    This seems more about repair notifications target than the repairs themselves. Personally, so long as the technicians in the shop aren’t locked out by proprietary controls from diagnostics on-site, I couldn’t give a damn if the dealership is getting the wireless “notifications” or not.

    My dealership tells us about lots of things we “need done”. I take the vehicle to a trusted mechanic who either does the work or tells me when they’re full of shit

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    81 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Nathan White, CitySide’s general manager, said his staff warns car shoppers that features like those requiring wireless transmission don’t work on new Subaru models sold in the state.

    Subaru crippled its technology over a state law intended to let people share their car’s wireless repair information with any service shop — not only the authorized dealer.

    The Massachusetts law, and a similar one that Maine voters approved in a landslide this week, show our desire to influence what happens to the reams of data our cars collect.

    The Massachusetts and Maine laws could let a car owner send an in-dash warning about worn brake pads to a service shop of her choice to schedule repairs.

    Joshua Siegel, a Michigan State University engineering professor, said this isn’t a simple task and that car manufacturers are doing a reasonable job in trying to comply with the spirit of a first-of-its-kind law in Massachusetts.

    At CitySide Subaru, White hopes that automakers find a way to let car owners provide remote vehicle maintenance data to any service shop.


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  • @nutsack
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    71 year ago

    in the future there is only one company and it is not possible to own anything

  • @[email protected]
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    -101 year ago

    Unpopular opinion.

    I’d like to have the choice not to “own” these kinds of things. I’ve felt this since I was young and I heard about the 3rd version of the iPhone. If these things get upgraded and get better every year and I’m “supposed to” upgrade every single time then it makes sense to just lease these things.

    And now with electric cars being basically on the same upgrade schedule but half the speed, why would I own an electric car for 8 years when next year the new electric cars save like 10x more for me. It wouldn’t make sense.

    Phones get an upgrade every year, and in 3 years your phone might become ‘invalid’ and you have to upgrade. So just borrow the phone from the maker and get an upgrade easier.

    Unless you actually want to own your things, go for it! It’s a free market and you should be able to buy your phone in its entirety just like you could buy a car 10 years ago in its entirety. This choice should be easier is all I’m saying.

    • dandi8
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      You’re not “supposed to” upgrade every year, that’s the point. You should be able to use a 5 year old phone if you want to.

    • @TORFdot0
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      71 year ago

      A car lease is an option. Always has been

    • @[email protected]
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      31 year ago

      I agree a rental/service economy is good for some things. I think the main complaint here is the way companies manipulate these products for their benefit not for the customer, and often in underhand ways (hence all the privacy issues). That happens with ‘owned’ products too, but the owner has more control to make of it what they want.

    • @[email protected]
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      11 year ago

      EV cars sold today aren’t that much better than 4 years ago. In fact, electric cars are basically a car. Surprising I know. But they are on the same 7-year model lifespan as any other car model.