• @cheese_greater
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    This needs to happen with Appl too. AppleTV/Safari/Messages/etc app for MacOS + SIP my ass. Its not integral and if you’ve made it so you need to unmake it so, along with other bundled crap. SIP should literally refer to that and only that in aggregate which is necessary to ensure the system is able to function, not per se function in an un-overruleable way for the maker.

    • @[email protected]
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      Don’t forget TV brands like samsung and LG who force some apps down your throat even if you don’t want them. You can’t remove those apps. Amazon is even worse with their firetv devices, they just install apps on your behalf that you can’t remove. We don’t own anything anymore.

      • @cheese_greater
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        47 months ago

        Ya but I can just use a box and not have the TV itself connected to the internet and you can have it in gaming mode so you basically never see the splash screen with all tha crap

        • @[email protected]
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          57 months ago

          I do this as well, but the smart TV bullshit on my Vizio constantly switches itself back on.

          I have a button on my remote now that fixes my input by switching to the box in one fell swoop because this happens so much. There is no setting to stop this, as I already have it set to not change the input.

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      Yes. They should allow removing apps like Safari and, as you said, Apple TV, iMessage, and other non-basic (on a computer) utilities, then downloading them again from the App Store.

      On an unrelated note, I also turn off SIP to change the icons of system apps.

  • @badbytes
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    447 months ago

    Wait Windows users are allowed to manage their software ?!? Get out of town.

  • Sagrotan
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    You can remove Windows completely from your life with very little effort, no matter where you live and it’s free! In the world of today there is no need whatsoever for that exploitive and in short bad OS anymore.

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      This comment is so out of touch.

      I work in CAD and 3D printing and I’d be completely dead in the water if I used Linux.

      No fusion 360, no cura

      I bet there are plenty of other apps that I rely on that are not available on Linux.

      I’m not some sort of Windows fanboy either. I’m disgusted with their action in the recent years.

      I run Linux on my home server, but not my main computing machine

      Let’s be realistic here, your experience is not universal

      • @[email protected]
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        87 months ago

        To be fair, PrusaSlicer and its derivatives do have native Linux support. And you can use Onshape from the browser on Linux just fine and it is honestly really good. I do a lot of this stuff too

        • @[email protected]
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          I’m not an expert, but I really doubt that most open source software can compete with the features and support of enterprise products. In almost every industry there are FOSS alternatives to professional software, but they mostly get ignored. If you really could pump out the same quality of work as quickly, I don’t think that most companies would forego the opportunity to save some money on licensing fees.

          • @[email protected]
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            Well, first off I wasn’t presenting a “FOSS first” argument here. Onshape is a closed-source browser based CAD software but it works really well and I enjoy it. PrusaSlicer IS FOSS, but it is developed by the folks at Prusa who build the Prusa i3 printers - it is widely considered to be the “standard” for 3D printing slicers, better than CURA for sure.

            Second off, this argument has an element of truth but kind of misses the plot. It is DEFINITELY possible for FOSS to be better and widely used and there are a couple of examples. I don’t have a ton of time right now but just for fun I’ll list a few. Blender is a great one, don’t really need to explain how good it is. Also, KiCAD is really good these days too, second only to Altium. There are many more as well!

            • @[email protected]
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              I agree that’s it’s possible, and hopefully it gets to be more common in the future. It’s hard to compete with professional software since they often have large full-time dev and support teams, but there is a handful of examples of FOSS software that debatably outperform the competition.

    • @Sorgan71
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      unless you want your programs to run

      • @Fedizen
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        I mean some stuff is still running windows 98. What programs are you really needing to run?

          • sebinspace
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            287 months ago

            God I love people that pretend switching to Linux is for everyone. They’re the same dipshits that install Mint on their grandmothers machine without asking, then get defensive when she takes issue with it.

            • ΛdΛm_𝒷
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              I installed Linux Mint and I encrypted the drive for my sister ( a 20 yo old laptop ), her kids use it to play games now and they absolutely love it

              her husband uses it for word docs, and browsing the web and his happy with it, he wanted to pay me for my effort

              There is a catch … They think it’s macOS 😂😭

            • @[email protected]
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              37 months ago

              I want to say that there’s no way people would install Linux without consent on someone else’s machine, but people have done crazier things.

          • @cor315
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            I got a good one. That mandatory garbage Cricut software.

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            I think almost every Microsoft product has a FOSS alternative (that works in windows usually too) if you want to get away from them. GamePass/The Xbox app/Windows store doesn’t, but that’s almost it. If there isn’t an alternative, it’s not unlikely that it’ll work through WINE. What software specifically are you looking for?

              • Cethin
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                There are alternatives for office. LibreOffice, which has been around forever.

                As for anti-cheat, yeah that’s up to the devs. Easy Anti-cheat supports Linux in the latest version, but it requires developers to implement it. I’ve been playing Hunt Showdown and it’s fine. Counterstrike obviously works. I’d say on average, most anti-cheat is fine. It does require actual effort on the devs though, unlike games that just run with WINE/Proton totally fine most of the time without them doing anything.

                • @[email protected]
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                  67 months ago

                  LibreOffice is great if you don’t need perfect compatibility with Microsoft office. If you do, the only good option is, well Microsoft Office.

            • @banneryear1868
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              Ableton Live with plugins is osx or windows. Windows if you want custom hardware in any meaningful sense.

      • @Sir_Simon_Spamalot
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        Which one? apache2? mysql? php-fpm? python? ftp? smb? nodejs?

        Not sure about you, but I’m using those to make my living.

    • @kittenzrulz123
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      Agreed, I hate how people blindly use Windows because “that’s what my shitty HP laptop shipped with”

    • @BrianTheFirst
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      27 months ago

      …unless you have a machine that doesn’t run linux well.

      • @tabular
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        67 months ago

        As in the PC has some hardware which only has proprietary drivers from the manufacturer?

        • @[email protected]
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          27 months ago

          Correct.

          You can run linux on just any hardware, yet somehow the capitalist still manage to fuck it up.

        • @BrianTheFirst
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          Or newer open source drivers that are buggy or missing features.

    • @AlecSadler
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      Sort of?

      I run Visual Studio Enterprise, no, VS Code is not sufficient for some needs.

      I have to edit complex PDFs in Adobe. Free, open source readers are not enough.

      Even the best linux RDP or WebRTC or otherwise apps still don’t seem to provide quite the same speed as RDP into windows hosts/servers.

      I have to use Teams daily across multiple orgs, and the seemingly discontinued Linux support in lieu of the less-featured browser app / PWA just doesn’t fly.

      I’ve found building windows apps on Linux, while seemingly supposed to be net similar, often times do not turn out right.

      Need full featured O365 to integrate with your work’s O365? No go. Closest is installing edge on Linux and using the web version, which is subpar.

      I hate windows, I use Linux when I can, but to say you can remove it from your life with very little effort is a blanket statement that is just unrealistic for many. To say there is no need is just off base.

      Source: I use Windows, PopOS, KDE, Mint, and that apple OS thing that I hate more than Windows.

    • @[email protected]
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      I agree it’s very easy and takes very little force to remove windows from your life. Adopting another OS in the other hand…

    • @ikidd
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      Like that would fix the OS.

  • @irotsoma
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    207 months ago

    Way too late…I switched away from Windows 100% already. Linux works perfectly fine.

      • @irotsoma
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        17 months ago

        Like what? I’ve found alternatives or many run just fine using Wine. Might run a little slower if your computer is older, but likely everything else is running faster on Linux anyway, so it makes up for it.

          • @irotsoma
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            I find that unless that software needs access to hardware, or is very performance sensitive or uses some newer Windows APIs, most of the time Wine can run it. I still have Windows installed for those few things that require it. But over time that has become less and less.

            I even had to grab the TP-Link easysmart configuration utility yesterday to configure an old managed switch and the exe ran perfect on Wine. I was honestly quite surprised. In fact I first started it up and it didn’t detect anything and I was afraid it was incompatible, but turned out the second NIC in my PC was just set up on the same config in network manager because I had been playing around with some stuff. It also runs the old Windows Epson Scanner software and drivers that my old scanner requires that no longer work in Windows 11.

            Anyway, for old proprietary stuff I find that Wine emulates older Windows and DOS better than Windows 10 or 11.

    • @4lan
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      Tell that to someone that uses fusion 360 to earn their living.

      If you are just going to Facebook and downloading movies and stuff sure…

      Linux is great for my home server, terrible for my main machine.

      • @Lazhward
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        Your problem is using your personal machine for work.

        • @4lan
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          Why the hell would I buy an entire different machine just for web browsing and games? Should also get a third one for porn? Lol

          It’s great that Linux works for you but you need to realize that it does not work for everyone yet. Your experience is not the same as everyone else’s. If I could run every application I need on Linux I would switch today. I am not happy about my dependence on Windows, but I live in reality

    • @4lan
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      77 months ago

      Delete system 32

    • @Thoas
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      37 months ago

      You need to triforce it.

    • @Tranquilizer
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      37 months ago

      Throw a brick at Windows to brick it.

    • no banana
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      207 months ago

      I just bulk crap uninstalled windows and moved to Linux

      • 1bluepixel
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        457 months ago

        Linux users truly are the vegans of the tech world.

        • no banana
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          67 months ago

          Ain’t that the truth

        • @[email protected]
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          57 months ago

          They seriously cannot stop talking about Linux… At this point, It’s endlessly annoying, as it’s on literally every post about any operating system.

          • @kittenzrulz123
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            Nearly every post is about Windows or MacOS yet when someone mentions Linux suddenly it’s a problem?

          • ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻
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            I also hate how Windows and MacOS are mentioned on every post about operating systems yet here we are. Why is no-one talking about Temple OS?

            But seriously why doesn’t your rule apply to the other operating systems? Perhaps no-one is promoting Windows because it’s not the OS they chose, it’s the OS they got and it’s their god given right to be miserable and make sure everyone else is.

            How dare I care about my operating system choice and how I use my computer. How dare I recommend it to other people. How dare I try to convince them to give it a go because it might be better for them. As a Linux user I am truly scum, the worst of the worst.

          • @TheGrandNagus
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            Do you think people never hear about Windows, iOS, Android, etc?

            I think you just get irrationally angry when people bring up something you don’t use. We get it, you use Windows btw.

            I find it kinda staggering you think it’s not appropriate for someone to mention alternative OSes on a submission where people are criticising an OS lol.

            Let’s apply that thinking to another product: Samsung TV does bad thing. Do you think it would be inappropriate or unusual for commenters to mention that other TV brands exist? If not, then why is it different for this other tool?

          • @[email protected]
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            It’s not like there an infinite number of OSs. Unless you have a Mac the choice is basically Windows or Linux.
            It’s absolutely logical that any operating system post will have comments pushing Linux.

            I hope that one day someone makes another better OS, because Linux is annoying as well. But until then you’ll have to suffer these comments.

            • @ik5pvx
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              Meantime, the BSD crowd: “am I a joke to you?”

        • LinkOpensChest.wav
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          In both cases, I’ve encountered a lot more people complaining about them than I have obnoxious Linux users or vegans