It’s not the kids, not the lurkers, not the mods… y’all just nice people. Lemmy’s got a good vibe going… or at least enough windows that we can close if the vibe gets shit.
I think it’s just survivorship bias, kinda like mastodon. The people inclined to come here are probably anti-corporate, and sick of current social media’s bullshit.
I think the barrier to entry also helps a bit. The folks willing to put up with the rough edges that Lemmy has are also likely willing to participate with the intent of making Lemmy a success rather than just “hangers on” as it were. With a 1600% growth in “active” user population, there are definitely a ton of lurkers, yet. Once it becomes more approachable, we’ll see if the community feeling that Lemmy has begins to tarnish and fade as the volume of interaction and content rises.
I have been thinking this over the past week on reddit every time I see a “Lemmy/Kbin needs to sort out X, Y and Z otherwise it’s going to fail massively.” or “Lemmy/Kbin is impossibly hard to use/sign up for”. Usually with CAPITAL LETTERS and emojis.
Like… ok. I don’t think you’ll be missed with that attitude. At least for the time being.
I read Haiku (OS) has no future recently and I think a similar thing is happening here.
Do we want to “have a future” or do we just want to be a cool place doing cool shit for ourselves?
Yeah “having a future” is always under the lens of “marketable/corporate profits” anyway. Some people don’t understand that sometimes, humans just want to build nice things because they want to!
If a person if truly interested in moving to a place with better discourse, they’ll make the effort. If not, they should stay on Reddit.
To be fair, I had some of those complaints with the instances initially being linked. It clicked when RIF linked to Lemmy.World in its final update message. It didn’t have dumbass hoops to go through, just a straight forward email, username, password, you’re in system like the first few things I was seeing. That and many people were over explaining it and just confusing the hell out of people.
I was thinking the same, especially after seeing several posts “demanding” Lemmy to change this and change that.
I mean, that’s not to say there’s no room for improvements, but if the first thing some people do when going to a new platform is wanting changes to meet their personal way of doing things, instead to try and adapt first to how the platform works and learn from it, in my opinion it means those people are not really interested in being here and make lemmy succeed, they’re just following the “flavor of the month” and won’t last long here anyway.
I think the fediverse being not so intuitive might be a very good thing actually, it can act as a sort of filter so it doesn’t succumb to the masses ruining everything, hopefully.
Sometimes I worry I might be being too snobby by thinking it’s a good thing there’s a small barrier to entry here, but the quality of the discourse is SO much better than Reddit it’s hard to argue with the results.
Totally agree, it’s amazing how many people can be discouraged by a small bump over the road. Kinda like how free mobile games have millions of downloads but games that are like, a dollar, are lucky if hit a thousand (and the gap in quality is astounding most of the time).
The barrier isnt that high in my opinion at least. Its just signing up to any instance in lemmy and thats it. I choose shitjustworks cuz they seemed level headed and i heard some nasty rumors about some of the other bigger lemmy instances so that was another factor on it i guess.
I’ll admit I like having a pretty interface to interact with so I hesitated to make my account until I found Connect for Lemmy. Looks nice and easy to get used to
I’m excited about the fact that people who are anti-corporate usually are the same people that will moderate and build community for free just because they want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. If all content creators and moderators find their home here Reddit will only have takers and lurkers left!
I know I’m being naive but I’m enjoying my little dream of utopia 😄
I’m just here because of Reddit dick move, not that I hate all companies, the transition was quite nice that is to projects like https://wefwef.app and the upcoming Sync for Lemmy!
Just deleted my reddit account. This is now my new scrolling home… lol
Same. Goodness I love this. It’s so peaceful.
Thank you.
I’m going to leave mine up as a sort of testament to eleven years of my life. My last comment is, and will continue to be unless something drastic changes, some argument I was having with somebody about how to fix housing shortages, like the one in California.
17 days ago as of now. Weird feeling.
I deleted every single comment and post on the seven or so accounts I was able to remember passwords for, and then deleted the accounts. That also meant I got to see about ten years worth of comments and posts. There are some phases of life I’d rather not be preserved for posterity’s sake.
Me too!
Deleted my 9-year account yesterday and never looked back. Reddit has become so toxic these past few weeks and Lemmy has been such a breath of fresh air.
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Yep me too also deleted all posts & comments. Lets hope thry don’t restore them though
Same, I used redact to delete my post and comment history and then deleted my 12 year old account.
Same, I used redact to delete my post and comment history and then deleted my 12 year old account.
Personally, and I am bias, I think everyone here is nice and chill because everyone who actually dropped Reddit are principled enough to not just say they hate a change and then do nothing about it.
Yep, exactly. The people that want a better Internet, my kinda people.
Every time you drive down Reddit’s market value, an angel gets its wings
I think you’re spot on. Loving this new home. Here’s to a bright future in the Fediverse.
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Not for any particular reason, but for a variety of reasons that work together to make it even better. I have listed just a few of them. Feel free to add to the list as you see fit.
- No king of the hill.
- No hidden corporate interests.
- No karma system.
- Rejection of toxicity. The flow of conversation is civil and has a good vibe.
- The Federation functions as an engine of accountability.
- A bunch of people who actively contribute to making this a good place.
- A vocal community that actually determines what content is important.
- The initial difficulty to make sense of it all (call it a “barrier to entry” if you will) acts as a natural deterrent to those who are less engaged.
- Lurkers who sign up quickly feel comfortable posting.
- The ability to sign up for a particular instance and leave if for some reason you find it’s going in a direction you do not agree with. Lemmy’s decentralized nature saves the day.
- The influx of refugees includes experienced people with a lot of knowledge to make this an even better place.
- The prospect of a quick release of reputable third-party apps. Since these developers bring solid knowledge from previous developments, their new Lemmy apps will immediately translate into a smoother user experience.
I am looking forward to great days ahead.
Don’t forget the free ice cream when you signed up this week.
…you guys did get the free ice cream, right? It was on the sign up page and everything?
I only got a browser cookie.
I didn’t, proof that spez own lemmy too
What’s wrong with Hank and the gang, I tell ya hwhat?
do you have any youtube video that can explain fediverse, lemmy, etc so far the explanation video i have found is already old and not that clear for me
Try these:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5axSUJj0bBY
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33T1-IuAqs
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8fBSrhHrE8 (How-to guide)
Hope that helps.
I think the image in the Getting started post was pretty good. Think of it as islands with connections in between. No one owns it all, but moderation within the island makes is approachable and a nice place to hangout.
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Personally I’m against that as it can allow controversial content to look the same as universally supported content.
There are instances that disable downvotes. https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances has a field saying if an instance has them enabled or not.
MORE reasons to enjoy the federated aspect. I am ALL for each instance having their own rules and protocol. I’m not a fan of removing the down voting but the fact that it is something that can be chosen by a group feels really good to me.
why would you want that? out of interest?
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It isn’t for no reason other than that. Granted, that is a reason. However, without a clear ratio of upvotes to downvotes, there’s no differentiating between good vs bad. YouTube removed their dislike button, but you can still see how many views a video has. If a video has 1m views but like 3k likes, you can see a ratio there. On here, there’s no ‘views’ per comment. So a use case would be that, say I posted something objectively false that supported a narrative. If others come along and support the same narrative and upvoted it, that post would look relatively credible. Downvotes allows for democratic running of social media. Which is what Reddit once was, and what lemmy is trying to be.
I know it’s a shit thing to say, but if your posts always get downvoted to oblivion, it’s probably moreso you that’s got a skewed outlook vs everyone else. (Not you as in you but you as in the general person)
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I can’t speak for everyone. I’ve been lurking for the past couple weeks and just signed up yesterday. The prevailing attitude I’ve noticed is that people realize just how much of a toxic hog lagoon reddit has become, and are glad to participate in a community that isn’t. It’s nice to be somewhere that isn’t full of bots and doesn’t coddle nazis.
I also think it helps that most of the onboarding literature is frontloaded with “this is how federation works” instead of jumping right in to “here’s how you sign up and use lemmy.” Effectively scares off the reading-averse.
If considering that to be a plus makes me an elitist, I’m ok with that.
It’s nice to be somewhere that isn’t full of bots and doesn’t coddle nazis
Depends on instance…
My last one wouldn’t defederate from a shitshow instance full of transphobia, threats of violence, and basically anything else you’d see on 4chan.
Apparently all that was just a “difference of opinions” so my old instance said it was fine.
The problematic instance also had a lot of posts shitting on this one for defederating them, so I just signed up a new account here.
I think that’s the best part of Lemmy, it’s easy to just drop an instance and find another that aligns more with what you want out of it.
A decade from now if the biggest instance pulls a spez, everyone would just move to a new instance
This is really such a great example for why Fediverse and FOSS in general are the superior and much healthier way for society’s social media interactions to go. Hopefully, some day in the near future, unprofitable social media monoliths like Meta, Twitter and Reddit will be so blatantly exploiting of their user base that even normies migrate to free software alternatives and the era of ultra-capitalist mega-corporations in social media encouraging hate and toxicity will finally be over.
Depends on instance…
Fair enough. And like you said, if an instance becomes toxic enough, no one will want to federate with them, and users will switch from instances that do to instances that don’t.
“Lemmy. For those who read good.”
I read that in Lemmy’s voice
RIP big man
toxic hog lagoon
Lemmy kinda sucks for me right now. Laggy, buggy, awkward… I love it. Looking forward to being part of its growth and development.
If people complain about the stability they were clearly not around for the early days of Reddit. It was flakey as hell.
Reddit was down all the time during the digg migration
I mean while that may be true, reddit is still providing a benchmark. old.reddit still works on desktop and mobile, so unlike reddit when it was new, lemmy has competiton.
Before Reddit there was digg and the users left for Reddit because digg was the one pulling shenanigans back then. Reddit definitely had competition even back then.
My friend use 3 or 4 apps at the same time. It’s been working for me
I think it’s partly a selection effect of who bothered to come here. On the positive end, scrolling All is more likely to show things relevant to me I wouldn’t have found.
On the negative end there are few comments to interact wjth
One time, when runescape did a supermassive bot ban, people began complaining that once crowded areas of the game felt eerily empty now that only real people were there.
Not to say reddit is all bots, but my experience with Lemmy so far has been that it’s less crowded but the people here feel very sincere. Not a terrible thing. Still have more scrolling and reading to do than I have time to do it, and the quality seems even better.
supermassive bot ban
The Muse cover that no-one expected
There’s a happy medium… where, new people coming in will start to post too much content, but engagement will happen quite often. Where most of the trolls and angry people will still be on reddit and places yonder.
and we’ll pass right by it and become the 800lb gorilla.
This moment, right now, is the golden era. Savor it. A Million monkeys hammering out Shakespeare are eyeing the gates, the only thing holding them back is the fear of the word federation.
Wow… I think this monkey hammered out some Shakespeare.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.
There is an advantage to that though, on Reddit by the time a post reached my front page it was several hours old and had so many comments it wasn’t worth me commenting on. On here people are much more likely to actually see my comments
I think it’s partly a selection effect of who bothered to come here. On the positive end, scrolling All is more likely to show things relevant to me I wouldn’t have found.
On the negative end there are few comments to interact wjth
On this platform I’m much more likely to actually type out a comment, even when there are a just a couple (or none!). I feel like people will actually read it.
I read this!
the “active” sorting helps a ton, on reddit if you were late to a post and had something to say you were lucky if anyone ever switched to “new” comments or it was a random person years later replying to you
prob cuz everyone who’s still on reddit has the shit vibe
I asked the people there some stuff and I got downvoted for everything I said and then I said something and they said unironically: whats wrong with being selfish? That made me a bit angry
There’s plenty of shit fringe lunatics here already also.
Heavily weilding that hammer and sickle mentality that they keep telling themselves is mainstream.
Wouldn’t be the same without em lol. As long as they are not the majority!
Lol there are political extremists or all kinds but I sure learned about a few new ones. I for one am avoiding all that nonsense for my own sanity.
I mean the lack of ads DOES help though.
It also feels faster when loading, though slower when you enter a post or save a comment.
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Reddit is too popular and has too much group think, too many of the same types of comments that will get a lot karma, and too many comments that will just be ignored.
NEW is a garbage dump or a pile of duplicates. So why comment on a new post? It will never go anywhere. HOT is already full of comments, so your comment will just be lost.
Agreed. I felt like I lurked reddit a lot because I felt like my thought was already found wherever I went unless I was the first one to comment. It’s nice to see a comment section that is growing but not thousands of other thoughts already in it within an hour or so.
Do upvotes and downvotes work the same way here? If so, I fear that communities may become echo chambers too, in time.
In a post and comment, yes. However your up vote vs down vote counts are not stored on your profile. It reduces the game-ification of the interactions.
It also depends where you’re reading from. Mastodon doesn’t sort at all, Kbin sorts differently from Lemmy, and one Lemmy instance might differ from the next. Even vote counts might differ between servers.
In the end, the user experience here will be much more individual than on Reddit. What is the top post for you might not be the top post for me. :)
I’m already noticing tons of comments getting down voted for seemingly just because people disagree so human nature makes a proper discussion difficult
They don’t have the same power over here. Especially on kbin where they pretty much equal “thank you for posting” and that’s about it. Boosting is where you become the algorithm and say “I think others need to see this!”
I just hope the alt right doesn’t latch on - but w/ this being the Fediverse we can at least use reason & spin them off in their own little corner… for better or worse. (Better for us & worse for them)
I don’t know what else is the answer though - they either drag us down w/ them or we rise above it & leave them to wallow in their messed up world views.
If this turns into an Odysee then this will be a very sad place built w/ good intentions.
The alt right already knows about the fediverse and has instances out there. But because this place was built with marginalized people in mind, it’s easy to make them go away, on an individual level as well as an instance level.
So what happens is they pretty quickly get stuck in their own little corner unable able to interact with the rest of us. I honestly think removing all that negativity and hatred is what keeps this place a generally friendly and welcoming place.
I haven’t really looked at Odysee. I feel like I’ve seen some Linux Youtubers mention that they post videos there too. What’s bad about it?
Agreed. On reddit each community has one way it thinks and screw you if you don’t have the same opinion on something. People here are more civil and willing to have a discussion over disagreements.
In Italy we call it “mountain path behavior”: just like in our mountain paths, as long as it is few people you meet you behave cordially and in a friendly manner, but it changes when the number of people goes up.
Oh, this is actually what I clicked and not a baseball post
Realistically, this is one of the reasons Lemmy is so good right now. The masses generally don’t put up with alpha software. Honestly, I like it this way. Improvements are good, but there’s something about seeing something grow and develop
I know fuck all about coding and software but THIS IS THE ONE. It feels really neat being nestled in the foundation of something that’s somehow already cozy. Only visiting that other site to mark which sub FORUMS might migrate over here
The real trick is getting BACK to the baseball post
Now how to get back to the basball post…
Don’t worry. When it’s time, it’ll find you.
Realistically, this is one of the reasons Lemmy is so good right now. The masses generally don’t put up with alpha software. Honestly, I like it this way. Improvements are good, but there’s something about seeing something grow and develop
The irony of your comment posting twice 😂
With a 4 minute difference between each comment.
¯\(ツ)/¯
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I just discovered you can just refresh on those and it’ll sort out the thread. Up until now, I’d thought I was just misclicking every time haha
The reason is federation. People actually happen to be pretty good at holding each other accountable and self-regulating when there isn’t a central authority deciding what is and isn’t acceptable. Bad actors naturally gravitate toward the instances that welcome them, and then the rest of us defederate from those instances to maintain the peace. Those bad instances then stagnate or fizzle out from the inactivity.
On centralized social media, what stays and goes isn’t dictated by the community but a handful of people at the top, and troublemakers are often given a bigger platform than they would have had otherwise.
Mastadon is a lot bigger and older than Lemmy is, and yet it still has the same vibe as this place.
So instances choose which instances to federate with? Does this mean that if my account is on lemmy.world that I’m seeing a selection of what that instance’s owners choose?
Other way around most of the time. Instances choose who to defederate with. If you view all posts instead of local You’ll see posts across the fediverse so long as the instance owner hasn’t defederated. Defederation is also a pretty nuclear option so it’s generally not taken lightly.
This is public information btw: https://lemmy.world/instances
Platforms are fun in the beginning because everybody has a voice. This nurtures a lot of creativity and energy. However, as ad revenue starts to flow, advertisers demand that the platform banish fringe opinions and undesirable voices (the magic keyword is brand safety). As a result moderation ramps up, and kills the creativity and energy that made it fun and interesting.
This is why Lemmy works (for now).
So we got 10 years for the cycle to repeat if lucky?
I’m fine with that lol
Might even have an elder Scrolls by then
Shut up! (Respectfully)… Don’t give me hope 🤣
It could be different since it’s decentralized
Banning fascists is always a good thing however and fringe elements that promote fascists. You cannot tolerate the intolerable.
Who decides if someone is a fascist or not? That person will have a lot of power in theirs hands, and sooner or later they will abuse it.
The collective community has the power to defederate or move to another instance if you disagree with the rules in place
You mean like how Elon Musk owns Twitter now?
