Wow. It boggles my mind to think about how rapidly things have changed. As an extremely strong proponent of wokeness - bc wrong is wrong, regardless of time period - I also get how culture takes a moment to digest the changes happening all around us.
For example, 1974 wasn’t all that recent, but those 50 years ago seems so much more so than e.g. the 1920s of 100 years ago, in large part due to being able to see it on Television (even with wacky coloration & such:-). Every aspect of life - like taking a horse or walking rather than Uber or subterranean Metro - has changed since the 20s, but also a lot has changed since the 70s too. And even the people who lived through it may not realize all the various ways how.
Marital rape wasn’t even considered a real thing until 1993 in the US. It was an “expectation” of the marriage that the wife always be “available” for the husband. It didn’t make it not rape, and it took us until as recently as 31 years ago to figure that out.
In other words, marital rape was mostly still legal when I was born. In some areas, it’s still treated differently than non-married rape.
Prior to the 1970s, marital rape was legal in every US state. It was partially outlawed in Michigan and Delaware in 1974, then wholly outlawed in South Dakota and Nebraska in 1975. The court case Oregon v. Rideout in 1978 was the first in which someone stood trial for raping his spouse while they lived together. By 1993, marital rape was a crime nationwide. Still, in the 1990s, most states continued to differentiate between the way marital rape and non-marital rape were viewed and treated. The laws have continued to change and evolve, with most states reforming their laws in the 21st century. However, there are still states where marital rape and non-marital rape are treated quite differently under the law.
Anyway, just agreeing with your point and showing an even more glaring and recent example.
You’re actually the first person I’ve ever seen who was explicitly pro-“woke”.
Probably we agree on the majority of things, not disparaging it. But I’ve only ever, EVER heard the phrase in the context of right-wing Americans describing anything or anyone that they disagreed with or were told not to like. Like how “lib’ral” became a hate word for a bunch of people in the 90s. Well, or people who were using it to make fun of those people. Kind of like CRT.
That might be because it originated in the black community and was only becoming widespread in the white community when it was highjacked by the right wing and tried to turn it into a slur.
It isn’t and continues to not be a slur. Especially for anyone who understands what it means.
Conservatives use a shorthand like “woke” because they can’t outright say “being kind and respectful to others while reflecting on the mistakes of the past is a bad thing.”
I am pro-woke and aspire to be woke, but I’m also woke enough to know that I probably have blind spots that I’m not even aware of, despite my best efforts. I also live in a blue state and in a socially blue area.
It seems an apt wording choice, imho, however it was originally intended. Having seen and experienced it with my own eyes & ears, I now cannot go back to the way I was before where I believed what others said about it. It is like how women experience things that men refuse to acknowledge - “no, surely Chad would not do that, you simply must have imagined it, little missy - please don’t spread such nasty lies about my friend like that”, but whether we are women or men or whatever, we can LISTEN to those who experience it FIRST-hand and therefore KNOW what it is like. Or, hide out in the bushes (with permission) and watch - it’s not that hard to do these experiments and truly see what’s going on, if only we are open to them. Not blindly trusting, you see? Nor blind acceptance of any old story either, but open to being convinced by actual facts as to whatever they may teach us.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.
As opposed to a conservative:
Traditionalist conservatism, often known as classical conservatism, is a political and social philosophy that emphasizes the importance of transcendent moral principles, manifested through certain posited natural laws to which it is claimed society should adhere.
since regardless of my personal beliefs, especially religious, I also believe in separation of church vs. state, or more importantly that Jesus/God Himself gave us that freedom to choose and told us to leave others the fuck alone (“Judge not lest ye be judged”), and also btw we are commanded to judge ourselves (“Judge ye by the fruit” - you know, of the vine?), so like judging the world but not ourselves (for a conservative this would be the likes of Trump and religious leaders etc.) is the precise opposite of the Biblical commands (which again, to be crystal clear, is to judge ourselves but not others).
And likewise I am woke:
Woke is a political slang adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination.[1] Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.
So if you also are aware that these things are happening, and like, care about it, then you are too. Whether you want to advertise that fact locally where you are is another matter:-P. (Also, nuances are allowed to exist, e.g. Dave Chappelle is super-woke about everything except the T in the alphabet.)
Wow. It boggles my mind to think about how rapidly things have changed. As an extremely strong proponent of wokeness - bc wrong is wrong, regardless of time period - I also get how culture takes a moment to digest the changes happening all around us.
For example, 1974 wasn’t all that recent, but those 50 years ago seems so much more so than e.g. the 1920s of 100 years ago, in large part due to being able to see it on Television (even with wacky coloration & such:-). Every aspect of life - like taking a horse or walking rather than Uber or subterranean Metro - has changed since the 20s, but also a lot has changed since the 70s too. And even the people who lived through it may not realize all the various ways how.
Marital rape wasn’t even considered a real thing until 1993 in the US. It was an “expectation” of the marriage that the wife always be “available” for the husband. It didn’t make it not rape, and it took us until as recently as 31 years ago to figure that out.
In other words, marital rape was mostly still legal when I was born. In some areas, it’s still treated differently than non-married rape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_in_the_United_States
Anyway, just agreeing with your point and showing an even more glaring and recent example.
You’re actually the first person I’ve ever seen who was explicitly pro-“woke”.
Probably we agree on the majority of things, not disparaging it. But I’ve only ever, EVER heard the phrase in the context of right-wing Americans describing anything or anyone that they disagreed with or were told not to like. Like how “lib’ral” became a hate word for a bunch of people in the 90s. Well, or people who were using it to make fun of those people. Kind of like CRT.
That might be because it originated in the black community and was only becoming widespread in the white community when it was highjacked by the right wing and tried to turn it into a slur.
It isn’t and continues to not be a slur. Especially for anyone who understands what it means.
Conservatives use a shorthand like “woke” because they can’t outright say “being kind and respectful to others while reflecting on the mistakes of the past is a bad thing.”
I am pro-woke and aspire to be woke, but I’m also woke enough to know that I probably have blind spots that I’m not even aware of, despite my best efforts. I also live in a blue state and in a socially blue area.
It seems an apt wording choice, imho, however it was originally intended. Having seen and experienced it with my own eyes & ears, I now cannot go back to the way I was before where I believed what others said about it. It is like how women experience things that men refuse to acknowledge - “no, surely Chad would not do that, you simply must have imagined it, little missy - please don’t spread such nasty lies about my friend like that”, but whether we are women or men or whatever, we can LISTEN to those who experience it FIRST-hand and therefore KNOW what it is like. Or, hide out in the bushes (with permission) and watch - it’s not that hard to do these experiments and truly see what’s going on, if only we are open to them. Not blindly trusting, you see? Nor blind acceptance of any old story either, but open to being convinced by actual facts as to whatever they may teach us.
Also, regardless of what bullies may see, these words have actual defined meanings - e.g. read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke. So I guess I am a flaming liberal b/c:
As opposed to a conservative:
since regardless of my personal beliefs, especially religious, I also believe in separation of church vs. state, or more importantly that Jesus/God Himself gave us that freedom to choose and told us to leave others the fuck alone (“Judge not lest ye be judged”), and also btw we are commanded to judge ourselves (“Judge ye by the fruit” - you know, of the vine?), so like judging the world but not ourselves (for a conservative this would be the likes of Trump and religious leaders etc.) is the precise opposite of the Biblical commands (which again, to be crystal clear, is to judge ourselves but not others).
And likewise I am woke:
So if you also are aware that these things are happening, and like, care about it, then you are too. Whether you want to advertise that fact locally where you are is another matter:-P. (Also, nuances are allowed to exist, e.g. Dave Chappelle is super-woke about everything except the T in the alphabet.)
Thank you for coming to my TED talk:-D.
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