Ultimately the headline is true, and using probation as cover to undermine the document that gives them power meanwhile having rich white men disregard the same set of laws in the face of a judge with no punishment makes me wonder what you are on about here.
BG has lost freedom of speech while Trump claimed his free speech was lost for not being jailed for contempt of court.
Other judges in the US literally use electric shocks to stop such outbursts as Trump made in court.
Defendants have a constitutional right to be present at all critical stages of their trial. The Marshall Project reports, however, that some defendants have been too scared to return to the courtroom after being shocked or have missed participating in their trial while recovering from being shocked.
Not really, this is basically punishing him for the thoughtcrime of talking about using guns.
They also ordered him to do 400 hours of community service, I guess for the “trouble” of having a hearing. If his songs are too spicy, they can revoke his right to supervised release (AKA send him back to prison).
How many times have you heard of a situation where there’s a man threatening to kill his girlfriend and the cops do nothing? Let the man write his lyrics, he was put in prison for illegal gun possession resulting from a traffic stop - he didn’t fucking kill anyone.
If he wants special treatment to get out of his sentence early, he has to comply with that program.
We can’t really be arguing about the validity of the charges here, this isn’t a venue where that is entertained but one where the sentence is amended under certain restrictions.
I feel like the charges are important to note, especially given that the prosecutor wanted 25 years for this offence and that black Americans are handed very harsh sentences compared to white offenders.
It really does seem like black Americans and rappers are treated with a different set of standards and government data back me up on that.
How is that not punishment for speech? If this is the new standard you could send ppl on probation back to prison for anything the court deams negative
There’s no punishment, they’re telling him that if he wants early release and intends to perform, that the content of his performance be reviewed ahead of time.
Because he would never have been able to have that performance AT ALL if still incarcerated.
He is asking for early release and it is being granted with certain restrictions.
People on probation get sent back when they break laws, violating the terms of that probation. This guy hasn’t gotten to probation yet and is more restricted.
I see your point though, and it would be double jeopardy if they fully released him while continuing to punish him in other ways. That just isn’t what’s happening here. He’s trying to get out early.
Personally I dont see the difference. (I do see the difference between probation and supervised release now). It essentially claims a prisoner (incarcerated or on supervised release) has no freedom of speech.
Right or wrong, the whole point of incarceration is removing freedoms as punitive punishment for committing crimes.
Probation, supervised release, it’s not the same as having served the sentence (and therefore gaining most rights back,). For example, a pedophile is probably going to never be allowed to work around kids and doing so on probation or sup. release is going to see them sent back into jail.
It’s wrong. Incarceration doesn’t mean you lose your citizenship and citizens of the US are still entitled to basic rights such as speech. Prisoners supposedly have rights that protect them from the state.
Prisoners still have the rights of the 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments. They are many cases of prisoners successfully sueing for having those rights violated.
We shouldn’t act like they don’t exist simply because some of the powers that be want to pretend they don’t
If he wants supervised early release from prison, this doesn’t seem terribly out of line.
It’s not like this is a part of his sentence, it’s a part of him trying to reduce his sentence.
Yeah, this is a clickbait/ragebait headline.
Ultimately the headline is true, and using probation as cover to undermine the document that gives them power meanwhile having rich white men disregard the same set of laws in the face of a judge with no punishment makes me wonder what you are on about here.
BG has lost freedom of speech while Trump claimed his free speech was lost for not being jailed for contempt of court.
Other judges in the US literally use electric shocks to stop such outbursts as Trump made in court.
ALL THE TIME.
This isn’t “laws for thee” this is straight up “torture for thee”.
Just to be clear, your response to seeing rich people evade justice is that… nobody should have consequences anymore?
You must get really angry at people who use food stamps instead of at people like the Waltons, don’t you?
No, OP is saying that probation is used to restrain someone from rapping, which is fucking bonkers.
you made that shit up…
Not really, this is basically punishing him for the thoughtcrime of talking about using guns.
They also ordered him to do 400 hours of community service, I guess for the “trouble” of having a hearing. If his songs are too spicy, they can revoke his right to supervised release (AKA send him back to prison).
How many times have you heard of a situation where there’s a man threatening to kill his girlfriend and the cops do nothing? Let the man write his lyrics, he was put in prison for illegal gun possession resulting from a traffic stop - he didn’t fucking kill anyone.
If he wants special treatment to get out of his sentence early, he has to comply with that program.
We can’t really be arguing about the validity of the charges here, this isn’t a venue where that is entertained but one where the sentence is amended under certain restrictions.
I feel like the charges are important to note, especially given that the prosecutor wanted 25 years for this offence and that black Americans are handed very harsh sentences compared to white offenders.
It really does seem like black Americans and rappers are treated with a different set of standards and government data back me up on that.
https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/mandatory-minimum-penalties-firearms-offenses-federal-system
Totally agreed. Sentencing is insane and discretion was taken away from judges by congress long ago.
I’m more pointing out where he is within that system that arguing for reform. I’m not against said reform, but it’s a totally different topic.
How is that not punishment for speech? If this is the new standard you could send ppl on probation back to prison for anything the court deams negative
There’s no punishment, they’re telling him that if he wants early release and intends to perform, that the content of his performance be reviewed ahead of time.
Because he would never have been able to have that performance AT ALL if still incarcerated.
He is asking for early release and it is being granted with certain restrictions.
People on probation get sent back when they break laws, violating the terms of that probation. This guy hasn’t gotten to probation yet and is more restricted.
I see your point though, and it would be double jeopardy if they fully released him while continuing to punish him in other ways. That just isn’t what’s happening here. He’s trying to get out early.
Personally I dont see the difference. (I do see the difference between probation and supervised release now). It essentially claims a prisoner (incarcerated or on supervised release) has no freedom of speech.
Right or wrong, the whole point of incarceration is removing freedoms as punitive punishment for committing crimes.
Probation, supervised release, it’s not the same as having served the sentence (and therefore gaining most rights back,). For example, a pedophile is probably going to never be allowed to work around kids and doing so on probation or sup. release is going to see them sent back into jail.
It’s wrong. Incarceration doesn’t mean you lose your citizenship and citizens of the US are still entitled to basic rights such as speech. Prisoners supposedly have rights that protect them from the state.
We should all be more upset about this
Prisoners have rights? As the last constitutionally protected form of slaves?
And yes. It’s wrong.
I just think if we solve the larger problem this won’t be an issue.
Prisoners still have the rights of the 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments. They are many cases of prisoners successfully sueing for having those rights violated.
We shouldn’t act like they don’t exist simply because some of the powers that be want to pretend they don’t
You do realize though that freedom of speech does not mean freedom to say whatever you want, yes?
Red flag laws maybe? Most of them are very new and obscurly written. I’m just guessing tho.