Dark read, but this needs to be said. This is all for show.
For any Trump voters reading this, I challenge you to go back and find any coherent points of actual operational improvement these people talked about. Hopes and dreams don’t count. Solid steps to some sort of better life was never once mentioned from any of these people.
There was an epidemic of CIA assets all around the world getting murdered, like dozens of them, right after he had (it later emerged) asked for a bunch of classified intelligence about the identities of foreign assets.
I don’t think it was American CIA agents; I think it was third parties that the CIA was working with.
Not that that makes it much better. He also said that it was fine when the Saudis killed an American reporter, because they give us a bunch of money, or when the Iranians attacked an American military base and put a bunch of US troops in the hospital with serious injuries.
I was driving from Florida to Wyoming after Trump got shot and i was surprised by how little people seemed to care. I did not over hear a single conversation about it or about Trump at all. In the hotels with the news on, including Fox, the TV was ignored. Most other places had the TVs tuned to sports. This is very different from what I have seen in years prior (2016 & 2020). It is weird seeing practically nobody give a shit in places lile Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Wyoming, etc.
Yeah. I was worried right after it happened, like this is gonna be when everything changes. As far as I can tell, no one cares outside the GOP outrage machine. People are still wanting to vote for Trump which isn’t ideal, but it’s wild to me how little people give a shit.
Honestly, I keep forgetting it. I think for the magabrained and/or Fauxbrained, this is like their 9/11, but I don’t think most normal people really care all that much.
The people in the city have learned to shut the fuck up about politics. Everyone has already had that conversation a thousand times. They know how it will go, and we’ve distanced ourselves from the people who won’t shut the fuck up about it.
If it were a movie, it would be the quiet tense part where everybody looks at each other but no one says anything for fear of setting off the bomb in the middle of the room.
You know who the people are and what will set them off, you give them space. And you watch them for mood swings. If ol Carmen comes in to work like a bat outta hell, you give him a LOT of space.
We’re talking about it here, but we’re doing it with people we know, over text, or in person.
I had a very similar experience, I was driving across Nebraska and stopped in North Platte for the night before I found out what happened. Nobody was talking about it at the restaurant I ate at, brewery I stopped at, and the next morning the little dinner I ate at full of old man locals. I overheard talk of farming, expense of running their farms and businesses, but not one person mentioned Trump or the attempt. I don’t know what’s going on but it felt like I was on a different plane of existence from where the attempt happened.
Same. I was eating at the Cowboy Cafe in Dubois, Wy. between Mason and Landen, Wy. (good food) before heading to the Tetons when it happened. News was talking about it and no one cared. Literally. I was rather shocked at the non-response.
Americans are so accustomed to freedom, comfort and luxury, they take all of it for granted. Of course everyone is sticking their head in the sand: if you don’t have a sense of what you stand to lose, of course you aren’t going to voluntarily take on a little bit of discomfort to try to stop it.
Hard times make hard men, hard men make soft times, soft times make soft men, soft men make hard times <- we are right here.
They don’t GAF. As long as there is some glimmer of hope that they can be their worst selves, maybe even get to watch while donnie does things to harm those they consider less than human, they are good. Even if they are still living utterly miserable lives with no healthcare, no prospects, no education for their children, etc…
For any Trump voters reading this, I challenge you to go back and find any coherent points of actual operational improvement these people talked about. Hopes and dreams don’t count. Solid steps to some sort of better life was never once mentioned from any of these people.
same with the Democrats none of the two parties have any plan to improve anything except the lives of the elites
One party wants to tear down our democracy via Project 2025, imprison political rivals, remove voting rights, remove women’s right to choose and give big buisness more tax cuts.
The other wants to restore women’s rights, term limits, hold the Supreme Court responsible to it’s “ethics” codes, student loan relief, ggun control and restore voting rights.
The second party isn’t perfect but to brush them off is dangerously stupid.
Dems are corporatists but they at least try to make people’s lives better. Conservatives actively make people’s lives worse on the behalf of their masters.
Income inequality a trillion dollars on climate change stronger NLRB working class wages outpacing inflation, idk, what the fuck have YOU done to improve anything; definitely quite a lot less than that
our minimum wage is $7.25 not outpacing shit and since the pandemic places like walmart have dropped the start pay to $13 or lower
Biden has been a career politician for fifty years and Harris might be younger but she spent her time as career politician in the justice system using things like Biden’s crime bills
what have I done? after politicians like Biden took my vote away sit back and wait for the world to change
Biden took the biggest action on climate change in US history; the goal of the climate bill is to put us on track for a 40% reduction in US emissions by 2030. It’s way too late but that’s clearly not Biden’s fault since he started fighting for it basically as soon as he got into office, and managed to achieve passed legislation which is several standard deviations above the norm for “let’s ignore it until we’re underwater and on fire” US politician status quo.
Biden ordered the forgiveness of half a trillion dollars in student debt, about a third of the current total balance, and the Supreme Court told him no. He’s still managed to forgive ~$150 billion worth of it even against stiff Republican “no we need that money to give to Wall Street criminals pls” resistance.
Biden introduced a bill to legalize marijuana federally, which the Republicans killed in the senate.
Biden achieved the lowest unemployment in 20 years after having been handed an economy that was still digging out from the apocalypse that was 2020.
Wages at the bottom end of the economy have actually been growing, outpacing inflation, every single year that he’s been president. The top 10% of wage earners actually have lost some ground, it’s true – that probably makes “wages are growing” not feel true to most Lemmy users, because for tech workers, they’re shrinking. But the majority of US wage earners have been making more and more year by year. $15/hr is the new unofficial minimum wage in a lot of sectors. That’s not enough, but it’s sure as shit better than when he came in and unemployment was 6% and a lot of people and businesses were still dependent on Covid-aid stimulus payments.
Oh, and he also raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $15/hr. That doesn’t really do anything; the act of congress which is needed to create a national minimum wage got stalled because of Republicans; he was limited to only economic policy things which raised the income level for working class people, not an official cap at the bottom end, which would also be a good idea yes.
Biden has paragraphs of accomplishments sure give you that
but nothing he does trickles down all the way down just stops at high middle class if that
biggest action on climate change? a national forest is being razed to train cops to suppress citizens right under his nose. has he at least been down there to assess the situation? did he mention it at the debate?
Biden’s stance on cannabis is the same as nicotine vaping - regulate the hell out of it until only major corporate options and sus products are able to get to consumers
he chose a prosecutor for a vice and has a history of crime bills
what does it matter if the unemployment is low if people’s jobs do not cover food and housing?
in the two places I stay the pay is below $15 an hour more times than not all the while a single bedroom apartment is over $1000
vehicle costs are astronomical between the taxes, maintenance, and insurance
people are on the edge of the cliff in this country but Biden has kept us afloat? his political career on top of Trump’s donations to both parties over the years and his presidency have screwed this country
did you forget Obama and Biden’s change and hope? was over 15 years ago and where are we now? backtracked more than we have gained and yes Trump did a lot of damage but he is not the sole perpetrator
but hey let all support the blue or red team because no other options exist and supporting the other options that in reality do exist is called throwing your vote away
the third parties will never win because the people allowed to vote in this country let themselves believe the two party lie
Fed the hungry using my own food and kitchen, given money and food to the homeless, and taken my neighbor to the food pantry, that’s just lately though.
You’re 100% wrong. ONE side is saying “Hey, we want things fixed as much as you, so don’t vote for these psychos because we’ve been trying but are deadlocked”.
Don’t know if I need to whisper in your ear, but the GOP/MAGA folks aren’t saying that. DFW you even talking about?
Dark read, but this needs to be said. This is all for show.
For any Trump voters reading this, I challenge you to go back and find any coherent points of actual operational improvement these people talked about. Hopes and dreams don’t count. Solid steps to some sort of better life was never once mentioned from any of these people.
You’re being suckered. Again.
Donny stole secrets about nuclear missile subs and showed them around. If that doesn’t phase these weirdos nothing will.
Worse than showing, that treasonous motherfucker sold some to the Saudis.
There was an epidemic of CIA assets all around the world getting murdered, like dozens of them, right after he had (it later emerged) asked for a bunch of classified intelligence about the identities of foreign assets.
I forgot about that part! Yeah, good recollection. So worse than the worse, Trump got our spies and agents killed. His cult is insane.
I don’t think it was American CIA agents; I think it was third parties that the CIA was working with.
Not that that makes it much better. He also said that it was fine when the Saudis killed an American reporter, because they give us a bunch of money, or when the Iranians attacked an American military base and put a bunch of US troops in the hospital with serious injuries.
You get an upvote from me, because unfortunately, we live in a timeline where this is more likely than not.
God dammit.
“More likely than not” is soft-pedaling the case a bit, but yeah.
I was driving from Florida to Wyoming after Trump got shot and i was surprised by how little people seemed to care. I did not over hear a single conversation about it or about Trump at all. In the hotels with the news on, including Fox, the TV was ignored. Most other places had the TVs tuned to sports. This is very different from what I have seen in years prior (2016 & 2020). It is weird seeing practically nobody give a shit in places lile Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Wyoming, etc.
Yeah. I was worried right after it happened, like this is gonna be when everything changes. As far as I can tell, no one cares outside the GOP outrage machine. People are still wanting to vote for Trump which isn’t ideal, but it’s wild to me how little people give a shit.
Honestly, I keep forgetting it. I think for the magabrained and/or Fauxbrained, this is like their 9/11, but I don’t think most normal people really care all that much.
Hey I live in one of those states.
The people in the city have learned to shut the fuck up about politics. Everyone has already had that conversation a thousand times. They know how it will go, and we’ve distanced ourselves from the people who won’t shut the fuck up about it.
If it were a movie, it would be the quiet tense part where everybody looks at each other but no one says anything for fear of setting off the bomb in the middle of the room.
You know who the people are and what will set them off, you give them space. And you watch them for mood swings. If ol Carmen comes in to work like a bat outta hell, you give him a LOT of space.
We’re talking about it here, but we’re doing it with people we know, over text, or in person.
I had a very similar experience, I was driving across Nebraska and stopped in North Platte for the night before I found out what happened. Nobody was talking about it at the restaurant I ate at, brewery I stopped at, and the next morning the little dinner I ate at full of old man locals. I overheard talk of farming, expense of running their farms and businesses, but not one person mentioned Trump or the attempt. I don’t know what’s going on but it felt like I was on a different plane of existence from where the attempt happened.
My guess is the second it was established it came from one of their own they just shrugged it off as one lone crazy.
Religious people can be extra. They have ways of justifying it.
Hard to maintain the persecution complex when it is one of their own radicals attacking them. Of course some online are trying regardless.
Same. I was eating at the Cowboy Cafe in Dubois, Wy. between Mason and Landen, Wy. (good food) before heading to the Tetons when it happened. News was talking about it and no one cared. Literally. I was rather shocked at the non-response.
I live in Jackson! Enjoy the Tetons. Crazy how hot it is though.
Yeah, it hit 93 while rafting on the snake river just past the dam the day we went out. Glad the water was cold lmao.
Still, it was worth it. Jackson is beautiful, too bad it’s so damned expensive or I’d come more often!
Hopefully people are just tired of the chaos and drama that Pedo Donald constantly brings with him. It’s been nearly a decade of putting up with him.
I swear from the bits I saw from the RNC that the magabrained are rubbing one out over their Allah supposedly saving donnie from a bullet.
It’s good to hear that even the base may not care all that much (with the exception of the terminally online types).
Americans are so accustomed to freedom, comfort and luxury, they take all of it for granted. Of course everyone is sticking their head in the sand: if you don’t have a sense of what you stand to lose, of course you aren’t going to voluntarily take on a little bit of discomfort to try to stop it.
Hard times make hard men, hard men make soft times, soft times make soft men, soft men make hard times <- we are right here.
People keep saying it “Won’t matter” and that living under Trump “Was better days”
I think if they actually jogged their own fucking memory they’d scream in horror
I think at least some of the people saying that are just saying for the coping mechanism. They know.
Bold of you to assume they can read
They don’t GAF. As long as there is some glimmer of hope that they can be their worst selves, maybe even get to watch while donnie does things to harm those they consider less than human, they are good. Even if they are still living utterly miserable lives with no healthcare, no prospects, no education for their children, etc…
same with the Democrats none of the two parties have any plan to improve anything except the lives of the elites
we are worse off this election than last
Is this a shit post? Are you kidding me?
One party wants to tear down our democracy via Project 2025, imprison political rivals, remove voting rights, remove women’s right to choose and give big buisness more tax cuts.
The other wants to restore women’s rights, term limits, hold the Supreme Court responsible to it’s “ethics” codes, student loan relief, ggun control and restore voting rights.
The second party isn’t perfect but to brush them off is dangerously stupid.
You can just fuck right off
Dems are corporatists but they at least try to make people’s lives better. Conservatives actively make people’s lives worse on the behalf of their masters.
Income inequality a trillion dollars on climate change stronger NLRB working class wages outpacing inflation, idk, what the fuck have YOU done to improve anything; definitely quite a lot less than that
our minimum wage is $7.25 not outpacing shit and since the pandemic places like walmart have dropped the start pay to $13 or lower
Biden has been a career politician for fifty years and Harris might be younger but she spent her time as career politician in the justice system using things like Biden’s crime bills
what have I done? after politicians like Biden took my vote away sit back and wait for the world to change
looks like going to waiting a while longer
Sure! I’d be happy to.
Oh, and he also raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $15/hr. That doesn’t really do anything; the act of congress which is needed to create a national minimum wage got stalled because of Republicans; he was limited to only economic policy things which raised the income level for working class people, not an official cap at the bottom end, which would also be a good idea yes.
Biden has paragraphs of accomplishments sure give you that
but nothing he does trickles down all the way down just stops at high middle class if that
biggest action on climate change? a national forest is being razed to train cops to suppress citizens right under his nose. has he at least been down there to assess the situation? did he mention it at the debate?
Biden’s stance on cannabis is the same as nicotine vaping - regulate the hell out of it until only major corporate options and sus products are able to get to consumers
he chose a prosecutor for a vice and has a history of crime bills
what does it matter if the unemployment is low if people’s jobs do not cover food and housing?
in the two places I stay the pay is below $15 an hour more times than not all the while a single bedroom apartment is over $1000
vehicle costs are astronomical between the taxes, maintenance, and insurance
people are on the edge of the cliff in this country but Biden has kept us afloat? his political career on top of Trump’s donations to both parties over the years and his presidency have screwed this country
did you forget Obama and Biden’s change and hope? was over 15 years ago and where are we now? backtracked more than we have gained and yes Trump did a lot of damage but he is not the sole perpetrator
but hey let all support the blue or red team because no other options exist and supporting the other options that in reality do exist is called throwing your vote away
the third parties will never win because the people allowed to vote in this country let themselves believe the two party lie
None of that stops you from helping people.
Hell plant a tomato plant and give away the tomatoes
Are they a politician or running for office?
What have YOU done to improve anything?
I’ve debunked a certain amount of partisan bullshit on Lemmy
It’s not a trillion dollars but it also seems worthwhile to some extent
What have YOU done to improve anything?
Personally?
Fed the hungry using my own food and kitchen, given money and food to the homeless, and taken my neighbor to the food pantry, that’s just lately though.
You?
You’re 100% wrong. ONE side is saying “Hey, we want things fixed as much as you, so don’t vote for these psychos because we’ve been trying but are deadlocked”.
Don’t know if I need to whisper in your ear, but the GOP/MAGA folks aren’t saying that. DFW you even talking about?
Medicare can negotiate drug prices now