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  • @[email protected]
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    3 months ago

    No. Vote Biden.

    UPDATE: Vote Harris!*

    If you can spare the time or money, volunteer and donate to the campaign in places they can actually win.

    EDIT: Also, vote Democrat if there are any other elections going on at the same time. If Trump does win, the only chance of holding him to any kind of account is to have as many Democrats in positions of power as possible.

    Sincerely, someone who can’t vote in your elections but still lives with the knock-on effects!

    *EDIT 2: Absolute necro-editing to change this to say Vote Harris.

    • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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      -174 months ago

      It’s a red state. No chance of anything but a Trump win.

      Please explain why their “not TRUMP” vote should be given to Biden?

      • @MrJameGumb
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        Being a red state doesn’t guarantee a Trump win though. In the last election he assumed Georgia would put him over the top because they are historically a red state but they actually ended up swinging over to blue by a small majority.

        There was a huge controversy around it because Trump called up people there and told them to tamper with the numbers to let him win anyway

        The Republican party is counting on the idea that people forget these things quickly lol

        • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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          -54 months ago

          OK, but OP mentioned a Red state specifically. They want a more nuanced answer than “vote blue just in case”.

          Assume a state so red, Trump loving and Biden hating that there is no possibility of a blue win. Is voting Biden in that particular state still the best strategy for the future of the USA?

          • HubertManne
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            164 months ago

            There is never no possibility. Florida is considered a red state up there with texas and gore lost to it from a florida court decision on hanging chads.

            • @LifeInMultipleChoice
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              Florida wasn’t a red state, more democrats have won than Republicans in Florida. It’s the past few years thing that the racism is taking hold quickly.

              • HubertManne
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                34 months ago

                that just shows a state can change and it can change at any time. enough folks could get fed up that with your vote the outcome is different. Politics is like the stock market. You can use historical trends to guess at the future but historical trends do not always indicate future behaviour.

      • @Lemming421
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        4 months ago

        To demonstrate the lack of a “clear mandate”.

        Yes, Trump will win if he gets one more vote than Biden, but the more he loses the popular vote by, the more justification people have for protesting.

        So if he wins on electoral college votes but loses the popular vote by a landslide, at least it shows what The People are actually thinking.

        • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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          -54 months ago

          We can just as easily define the popular vote as being the sum of all non Trump votes.

          No Trump doesn’t need to be Yes Biden.

          • @[email protected]
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            It doesn’t matter how you define it. It matters how the people that report on it define it. And almost universally, that’s horse race numbers.

            Third parties are pretty much invisible for 95% of people until they start breaking into the horse race.

            Nobody have a fuck about Ralph Nader or Pat Buchanan till they mattered for the result of the actual election in 2000. But only after the fact.

            • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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              -34 months ago

              It matters how the people that report on it define it.

              No, it matter how the strategy analysts view the raw data. Not the media.

              Third parties are pretty much invisible for 95% of people until they start breaking into the horse race.

              Only if you focus on winning. Bernie didn’t run in the primaries to win. He ran to influence.

      • @Holyginz
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        154 months ago

        Because trumpets will always vote Trump. People voting for third party may not be actively supporting Trump, but the 3rd party has zero chance of winning so the only way to keep Trump from winning is to vote for who actually can win against him currently. Which is biden.

        • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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          -134 months ago

          Because there are lots of other people who are not Trump.

          Voting for candidates with more extreme policies shifts the political needle, even if they don’t win.

          • @[email protected]
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            74 months ago

            OP has given us no info about the candidates they’re considering other than RFK, who is a lunatic. There’s no merit to encouraging RFK’s views, so Biden should be OP’s choice.

          • Jackie's Fridge
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            44 months ago

            Voting for other candidates only shifts the needle if they win. If they can’t possibly win, nothing is accomplished by voting for them.

            • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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              14 months ago

              Incorrect. Bernie shifted the needle and didn’t win.


              On Thursday he rolled out two new policy proposals:

              • Lower the age of Medicare eligibility from 65 to 60.
              • Forgive student debt for low-income and middle-class families who attended public colleges and universities and some private institutions.

              "Senator Sanders and his supporters can take pride in their work in laying the groundwork for these ideas,

              https://www.npr.org/2020/04/10/830853819/joe-biden-won-the-primary-now-hes-trying-to-win-over-progressive-groups

              • Jackie's Fridge
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                14 months ago

                Didn’t win? Dude’s a congressman. He’s in.

                • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                  Bernie didn’t win the presidency but still got some of his policies adopted by the president.

                  You don’t need to win to have influence.

                  • Jackie's Fridge
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                    14 months ago

                    I think we’re talking past each other but agreeing on the fundamentals. I’m approaching it from the angle of all government positions - absolutely if a progressive candidate has a chance to win any office from dog catcher to president, get them in so they can influence policy. But if they have no chance of winning, it’s just damage control.