Right, since biden gives the bombs to Israel to actively drop instead of hopping in a plane and dropping them himself, it is OK. I know you know the kinds of gymnastics you are forced to play here. I also know that if anyone else who isn’t on your side was doing this, you would be all over them. This is exactly the problem. Intellectual dishonesty in political discussions. You feel like you deserve the right to lie because you think the other side does the same. They do do the same, the result of this is you two groups of self justified compulsive liars living in your own echo chambers, making no progress and learning nothing.
Right, since biden gives the bombs to Israel to actively drop instead of hopping in a plane and dropping them himself, it is OK.
That is NOT what I said. You complain about intellectual dishonesty but in the same breath put words into my mouth that I did not say. If you want to be intellectually honest, why don’t you answer the very simple question instead of going off on irrelevant tangents?
What makes you think Trump wouldn’t give Israel even more support and weapons?
All we have to go on is what people have done. Trump never genocided anyone. Trump barely supplied any weapons or did any warring. This is not the case with nearly every president for the last 100 years. Biden has shown his absolute willingness to fund and supply weapons for a genocide. I can’t tell the future, but I can honestly look at the past because I’m not hell-bent on ignoring all the bad things one side does.
Not exactly true. For example, why do you think Trump has never once uttered the words “cease fire” in regards to Israel/Palestine? Seems like a pretty simple way to signal that you want Israel to stop killing people.
Trump never genocided anyone.
Neither has Biden, or Harris for that matter.
Trump barely supplied any weapons or did any warring. This is not the case with nearly every president for the last 100 years. Biden has shown his absolute willingness to fund and supply weapons for a genocide.
…because there was no major conflict between Israel and Palestine during his presidency. He was far more supportive of Israel than any other president, so it’s pretty safe to say he’d give them just as many arms or more than Biden has.
I can’t tell the future, but I can honestly look at the past because I’m not hell-bent on ignoring all the bad things one side does.
Are you sure about that? Do you not think Trump has done any bad things at all?
You started out strong. It is indeed interesting that Trump never used the term “cease fire”, that genuinely is a good point. Maybe it has to do with the fact that a huge portion of his base are racist assholes.
Sadly, you just drove straight off a cliff by trying to excuse the provider of the genocide tools for the genocide. You and I and everyone who may read this all know full well that Joe and his crew is absolutely covered in Palestinian blood. To act otherwise is the exact issue at hand. We have two large groups of people, yourself being in one of those groups, that have this idea that you are justified in lying as much as you need to in order to paint your side as wholly innocent. This helps nobody. It may trick some young, impressionable children into believing your story, but it doesn’t actually help. In this way, you are identical to the people who look at lying, stealing, raping, pedo(most likely), felon Donny, and brush it all aside and say it’s all lies.
Has Trump done anything wrong?! Absolutely! He has done so much wrong! But he hasn’t played an absolutely pivotal role in the inhumane slaughter of over 100,000 innocent people as a response to a couple hundred being slaughtered when a bunch of rebels busted down a fence that totally could have been prevented.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond thoughtfully. I highly doubt that you believe what you wrote, though. I highly doubt that you are proud to be on the team that is absolutely addicted to grinding Palestianian children into paste on a daily basis. You just feel like you have some sort of sick right to defend disgusting politicians doing disgusting things because if you don’t, then you have to question if you’ve been making a mistake for a long time. Your ego won’t allow it. That’s the problem.
Sadly, you just drove straight off a cliff by trying to excuse the provider of the genocide tools for the genocide.
This is a semantic tangent that is distracting from the fact that Trump would be even worse in this area based on his widely known support for Israel. Whatever you call it, Trump is no less guilty than any other President. Trump provided arms to Israel during his presidency as well, just like every other president, and he knew they would be used against Palestinians because they have been for decades. The only difference, as I said earlier, is that there just happened to be no major conflict in Palestine while Trump was president.
I never said I agree with everything Biden does, or that it is justified, innocent, or whatever other extreme language you want to use. My only point this entire time has been that Trump would be at least as bad, and likely worse, no matter how much you willfully ignore his track record with Israel/Palestine.
I highly doubt that you believe what you wrote, though. I highly doubt that you are proud to be on the team that is absolutely addicted to grinding Palestianian children into paste on a daily basis.
Next time you have this feeling in a conversation, ask yourself “Did I actually interpret their comments accurately?”
Because the answer to that here for pretty much everything I have said is “not even close”. I say “Trump would be worse than Biden” and you read it as “I support literally everything Biden does!”
So again, you need to take your own advice and engage with intellectual honesty. But you have proven at this point you can’t do that, so I am going to block you. don’t bother wasting time replying.
I feel like warning people about bad actors is a public service that should be encouraged. If you saw the user’s interactions with me you might agree with my theory too. But since you can’t even say what I did, Lemmy literally can and will be used as a tool for election interference, with no recourse at all
That’s hilarious, you are so upset that I don’t agree with you that you are now following me around like a puppy to repeat things about me that I’ve already corrected you about. You make assumptions, get shown to be wrong and then just stick to your incorrect assumptions.
You gleefully excuse bidens genocide. If you can brush that under the rug, then you can brush anything under the rug. I don’t expect you to all of a sudden examine your own hypocrisy, but maybe if enough people point it out to you, then eventually you will.
It is fascinating that you have switched to thinking trump will be “at least as bad” as biden. That is absolutely a step forward, even if it was just an accidental slip from your party lines.
By the way, yes trump provided some weapons to Israel, you are right. Trump didn’t play an active part in genociding the Palestinians or any other people. That’s a huge difference.
Right, since biden gives the bombs to Israel to actively drop instead of hopping in a plane and dropping them himself, it is OK. I know you know the kinds of gymnastics you are forced to play here. I also know that if anyone else who isn’t on your side was doing this, you would be all over them. This is exactly the problem. Intellectual dishonesty in political discussions. You feel like you deserve the right to lie because you think the other side does the same. They do do the same, the result of this is you two groups of self justified compulsive liars living in your own echo chambers, making no progress and learning nothing.
That is NOT what I said. You complain about intellectual dishonesty but in the same breath put words into my mouth that I did not say. If you want to be intellectually honest, why don’t you answer the very simple question instead of going off on irrelevant tangents?
What makes you think Trump wouldn’t give Israel even more support and weapons?
All we have to go on is what people have done. Trump never genocided anyone. Trump barely supplied any weapons or did any warring. This is not the case with nearly every president for the last 100 years. Biden has shown his absolute willingness to fund and supply weapons for a genocide. I can’t tell the future, but I can honestly look at the past because I’m not hell-bent on ignoring all the bad things one side does.
Not exactly true. For example, why do you think Trump has never once uttered the words “cease fire” in regards to Israel/Palestine? Seems like a pretty simple way to signal that you want Israel to stop killing people.
Neither has Biden, or Harris for that matter.
…because there was no major conflict between Israel and Palestine during his presidency. He was far more supportive of Israel than any other president, so it’s pretty safe to say he’d give them just as many arms or more than Biden has.
Are you sure about that? Do you not think Trump has done any bad things at all?
You started out strong. It is indeed interesting that Trump never used the term “cease fire”, that genuinely is a good point. Maybe it has to do with the fact that a huge portion of his base are racist assholes.
Sadly, you just drove straight off a cliff by trying to excuse the provider of the genocide tools for the genocide. You and I and everyone who may read this all know full well that Joe and his crew is absolutely covered in Palestinian blood. To act otherwise is the exact issue at hand. We have two large groups of people, yourself being in one of those groups, that have this idea that you are justified in lying as much as you need to in order to paint your side as wholly innocent. This helps nobody. It may trick some young, impressionable children into believing your story, but it doesn’t actually help. In this way, you are identical to the people who look at lying, stealing, raping, pedo(most likely), felon Donny, and brush it all aside and say it’s all lies.
Has Trump done anything wrong?! Absolutely! He has done so much wrong! But he hasn’t played an absolutely pivotal role in the inhumane slaughter of over 100,000 innocent people as a response to a couple hundred being slaughtered when a bunch of rebels busted down a fence that totally could have been prevented.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond thoughtfully. I highly doubt that you believe what you wrote, though. I highly doubt that you are proud to be on the team that is absolutely addicted to grinding Palestianian children into paste on a daily basis. You just feel like you have some sort of sick right to defend disgusting politicians doing disgusting things because if you don’t, then you have to question if you’ve been making a mistake for a long time. Your ego won’t allow it. That’s the problem.
This is a semantic tangent that is distracting from the fact that Trump would be even worse in this area based on his widely known support for Israel. Whatever you call it, Trump is no less guilty than any other President. Trump provided arms to Israel during his presidency as well, just like every other president, and he knew they would be used against Palestinians because they have been for decades. The only difference, as I said earlier, is that there just happened to be no major conflict in Palestine while Trump was president.
I never said I agree with everything Biden does, or that it is justified, innocent, or whatever other extreme language you want to use. My only point this entire time has been that Trump would be at least as bad, and likely worse, no matter how much you willfully ignore his track record with Israel/Palestine.
Next time you have this feeling in a conversation, ask yourself “Did I actually interpret their comments accurately?”
Because the answer to that here for pretty much everything I have said is “not even close”. I say “Trump would be worse than Biden” and you read it as “I support literally everything Biden does!”
So again, you need to take your own advice and engage with intellectual honesty. But you have proven at this point you can’t do that, so I am going to block you. don’t bother wasting time replying.
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Removed, see the new addendum to the civility rule.
I feel like warning people about bad actors is a public service that should be encouraged. If you saw the user’s interactions with me you might agree with my theory too. But since you can’t even say what I did, Lemmy literally can and will be used as a tool for election interference, with no recourse at all
That’s hilarious, you are so upset that I don’t agree with you that you are now following me around like a puppy to repeat things about me that I’ve already corrected you about. You make assumptions, get shown to be wrong and then just stick to your incorrect assumptions.
I’m reading zero words of this barrage in my inbox
You gleefully excuse bidens genocide. If you can brush that under the rug, then you can brush anything under the rug. I don’t expect you to all of a sudden examine your own hypocrisy, but maybe if enough people point it out to you, then eventually you will.
It is fascinating that you have switched to thinking trump will be “at least as bad” as biden. That is absolutely a step forward, even if it was just an accidental slip from your party lines.
By the way, yes trump provided some weapons to Israel, you are right. Trump didn’t play an active part in genociding the Palestinians or any other people. That’s a huge difference.
Whoops you just “accidentally” wrote trump instead of Biden here!