I don’t know where I sit, to be honest. I’m anti-capitalist, but at the same time, I’m not exactly an anarchist because keeping everything at the local level smacks of inefficiency, promotes tribalism, and doesn’t really allow for coordination.
Having some form of government is helpful as long as it’s held strictly accountable. Otherwise, it’s just 100,000 voices screaming, as people all try to push individual agendas.
While a complete lack of structure maximizes individual freedoms, it also makes individuals more vulnerable because there aren’t institutions to help them if they need it.
This only happens because within capitalism only small anarchist communities have been able to survive, anarchism doesn’t say anything about keeping everything local (I’d say the opposite, it encourages cooperation between communities to cover all bases, ideally on a global scale)
Having some form of government is helpful
Anarchism doesn’t mean there is no government, just no hierarchy, horizontal governance is a thing.
While a complete lack of structure
Again, not a thing in anarchism, even the symbol of anarchism literally incorporates the word order (the circle around the A isn’t a circle, but an O)
No worries, and that’s fair. You also don’t need to read a whole ton of theory to get the gist in most cases (also, if videos are easier for you, Andrewism on YT for example, does good videos about anarchism), but it’s always best to rely on sources from within - from people who practice the ideology and want it to succeed, rather than misinformation from outside which leftist ideologies suffer a lot from, because capitalist propaganda has done its utmost to twist and subvert what they mean and stand for.
Ladies and gentlemen, this style of exchange is why Lemmy is substantially better than Reddit,
how Reddit was even as far back as 2012. Or any other online platform. Online civility is a lost art on most platforms. Instead of calling me some uneducated cuck and wishing my children die in a house fire, Sims provided resources, and even suggests that reading these resources when I have time is totally fine, rather than calling me an uneducated fuck stain for not having read them earlier.
Tbf my levels of patience vary a lot lol. I would never berate anyone for not knowing something, no one knows everything, and we all learn something new every day (E: and also in different ways), though if someone clearly doesn’t want to hear anything that doesn’t confirm their bias I won’t waste my time and might call them out for not wanting to know, and be blunt about that since I think some people need the rude awakening. On the other hand, if someone is already taking their own steps to explore outside of and challenge their bias, and I happen to know something about the topic or have a relevant resource, I’m more than happy to help. So the credit is yours as much as it is mine, but thank you.
On a side note - comrade(s) is a great gender neutral alternative to both ladies and gentlemen, and dude.
Your views align pretty closely with mine: ignorance isn’t a cardinal sin, but willful ignorance is.
The fact that you’re taking an educational approach rather than coming after me with a board that has a nail sticking out of it is refreshing for online communities. More people need to just chill.
On dude: sorry, my age is showing - lexicon needs an update and I haven’t got there yet but I’m working on it
Yeah, it’s an important distinction to make. And I have to agree, it would be nice to have more exchanges like this, but with the state of the world it isn’t really surprising that people are generally angrier, be it for good reason or bad (anti-racist vs racist, for example), it’s when people are mostly on the same page that the animosity really confuses me lol. The last part goes back to the top - we’re all learning all the time, the important thing is to stay open to it and grow from it.
Having some form of government is helpful as long as it’s held strictly accountable. Otherwise, it’s just 100,000 voices screaming, as people all try to push individual agendas.
So, like, held accountable but not by actual people? Like a form of Autocracy?
What? Please educate yourself on Anarchism and especially Anarcho Syndicalism before making more statements. Under Anarcho Syndicalism while individual syndicates (imagine unions but more organized and the own the workplace) exist they’re organized by varying levels of larger syndicates. The amount of organization within Anarcho Syndicalism without government is greater then any other governmental system.
I admitted I was unread on topic, and didn’t know where I fit on the scale. There’s nothing wrong with stating my current understanding, with large caveats, which is what I did.
Further, another commentator shared a bunch of resources rather than taking a ‘git good’ approach
because some people don’t think those are an end all be all solution even if they can identify the problem.
problem and solution are not tied together yet. right now we only have the problem. this poster is indicating that they aren’t sold on those being the solutions. there are many paths forward, it’s fair to not know which one is right yet.
hell, it’s more unreasonable to say you KNOW your solution will fix this. none of these economic systems have been successfully tested in large scale. they are all just theoretical. to change to a new one is scary and dangerous and must be done with much thought, consideration, and care.
I never said I can guarantee my economic solution is the right one or that it’ll fix it, all I’m saying is we have many solutions available and if none of them are used the future is doomed.
Why should someone be scared to call themselves a leftist, im an Anarcho Syndicalist and I don’t care if other people don’t like it.
I don’t know where I sit, to be honest. I’m anti-capitalist, but at the same time, I’m not exactly an anarchist because keeping everything at the local level smacks of inefficiency, promotes tribalism, and doesn’t really allow for coordination.
Having some form of government is helpful as long as it’s held strictly accountable. Otherwise, it’s just 100,000 voices screaming, as people all try to push individual agendas.
While a complete lack of structure maximizes individual freedoms, it also makes individuals more vulnerable because there aren’t institutions to help them if they need it.
This only happens because within capitalism only small anarchist communities have been able to survive, anarchism doesn’t say anything about keeping everything local (I’d say the opposite, it encourages cooperation between communities to cover all bases, ideally on a global scale)
Anarchism doesn’t mean there is no government, just no hierarchy, horizontal governance is a thing.
Again, not a thing in anarchism, even the symbol of anarchism literally incorporates the word order (the circle around the A isn’t a circle, but an O)
Maybe give this and this a look
Thanks - I’ll admit I’m pretty unread on a lot of it. I know what I want I just don’t know where I fit yet
No worries, and that’s fair. You also don’t need to read a whole ton of theory to get the gist in most cases (also, if videos are easier for you, Andrewism on YT for example, does good videos about anarchism), but it’s always best to rely on sources from within - from people who practice the ideology and want it to succeed, rather than misinformation from outside which leftist ideologies suffer a lot from, because capitalist propaganda has done its utmost to twist and subvert what they mean and stand for.
Enjoy the ride!
Ladies and gentlemen, this style of exchange is why Lemmy is substantially better than Reddit, how Reddit was even as far back as 2012. Or any other online platform. Online civility is a lost art on most platforms. Instead of calling me some uneducated cuck and wishing my children die in a house fire, Sims provided resources, and even suggests that reading these resources when I have time is totally fine, rather than calling me an uneducated fuck stain for not having read them earlier.
Thanks for being a cool human, my dude
Tbf my levels of patience vary a lot lol. I would never berate anyone for not knowing something, no one knows everything, and we all learn something new every day (E: and also in different ways), though if someone clearly doesn’t want to hear anything that doesn’t confirm their bias I won’t waste my time and might call them out for not wanting to know, and be blunt about that since I think some people need the rude awakening. On the other hand, if someone is already taking their own steps to explore outside of and challenge their bias, and I happen to know something about the topic or have a relevant resource, I’m more than happy to help. So the credit is yours as much as it is mine, but thank you.
On a side note - comrade(s) is a great gender neutral alternative to both ladies and gentlemen, and dude.
Your views align pretty closely with mine: ignorance isn’t a cardinal sin, but willful ignorance is.
The fact that you’re taking an educational approach rather than coming after me with a board that has a nail sticking out of it is refreshing for online communities. More people need to just chill.
On dude: sorry, my age is showing - lexicon needs an update and I haven’t got there yet but I’m working on it
Yeah, it’s an important distinction to make. And I have to agree, it would be nice to have more exchanges like this, but with the state of the world it isn’t really surprising that people are generally angrier, be it for good reason or bad (anti-racist vs racist, for example), it’s when people are mostly on the same page that the animosity really confuses me lol. The last part goes back to the top - we’re all learning all the time, the important thing is to stay open to it and grow from it.
Dude is just as neutral as comrade. It’s only your own preconceptions giving it gender.
Go ask a straight man how many dudes he’s slept with recently and get back to me…
So, like, held accountable but not by actual people? Like a form of Autocracy?
What? Please educate yourself on Anarchism and especially Anarcho Syndicalism before making more statements. Under Anarcho Syndicalism while individual syndicates (imagine unions but more organized and the own the workplace) exist they’re organized by varying levels of larger syndicates. The amount of organization within Anarcho Syndicalism without government is greater then any other governmental system.
I admitted I was unread on topic, and didn’t know where I fit on the scale. There’s nothing wrong with stating my current understanding, with large caveats, which is what I did. Further, another commentator shared a bunch of resources rather than taking a ‘git good’ approach
I actually think this twitter post has the right idea. Fuck labels, they can be twisted. Preach what you believe in
because some people don’t think those are an end all be all solution even if they can identify the problem.
problem and solution are not tied together yet. right now we only have the problem. this poster is indicating that they aren’t sold on those being the solutions. there are many paths forward, it’s fair to not know which one is right yet.
hell, it’s more unreasonable to say you KNOW your solution will fix this. none of these economic systems have been successfully tested in large scale. they are all just theoretical. to change to a new one is scary and dangerous and must be done with much thought, consideration, and care.
I never said I can guarantee my economic solution is the right one or that it’ll fix it, all I’m saying is we have many solutions available and if none of them are used the future is doomed.